Verbum

This has probably been asked and answered, just cannot remember or find.

Question: What is the difference between Verbum "software" and just "setting Verbum to yes" in my install of Logos5 with Verbum resources?

Next: Would it be possible for Verbum to now have it's own Section in the forums?

Thanks so much.

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Dan Francis

The deutrocanonicals are treated like scriptures and some catholic specific datasets are activated.

-Dan

PS: WE IN THE FORUMS have been told in the past that it would be divisive for Verbum/Catholics to have it's own sub forum. I had at first thought Logos might be correct till every faith group that has a manager got it's own sub forum EXCEPT Catholics/Verbum. We need one because if no other reason issues in the Verbum program has no place to report errors other than generic desktop app forum.

fgh

What is the difference between Verbum "software" and just "setting Verbum to yes" in my install of Logos5 with Verbum resources?

Right now none that I've heard of, except that there was no beta version for Verbum last time (don't know about the next round of betas).

We've been told that there will be differences at some time in the future.

David Ames

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/586142#Comment_586142

My biggest question is why do Logos 5 and Verbum have different resource file paths. That requires duplicate resource files. On the APP on handhelds that is OK [for me as I use the APPS for reading only - so far] BUT I would like to know why we need two [or more latter] copies of resources. [my resourcemanager folder is 19.2 Gig with 5000 resources]

Also we have been asking for a Verbum forum from day one of Verbum.

On the other hand many of the items posters have requested help on the handheld APPS were common across all systems.

Greg

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/586174#Comment_586174

Rather then a command that I too easily forget, why can't we just have a simple toggle switch, or drop down menu, for switching between Logos 5 and Verbum?

The current way seems needlessly complicated. With all the subversions of Logos 5 coming out, wouldn't something like this just be a simpler and more user friendly?

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/586191#Comment_586191

I think the devs assumed people would stay on one or the other. I don't think they envisioned anyone would want to change back and forth.

MJ. Smith

Question: What is the difference between Verbum "software" and just "setting Verbum to yes" in my install of Logos5 with Verbum resources?

Next: Would it be possible for Verbum to now have it's own Section in the forums?

If you haven't noticed, the word "Catholic" is a red-flag to some forum pit-bulls in a way that "Orthodox", "Anglo-Catholic" and "High Lutheran" are not. There appears to be a high level of ignorance regarding the commons needs (and beliefs) of these groups, leaving more than Catholics wishing to use Verbum. As I pointed out when Verbum was first released, a divided software should have been something more similar to liturgical/non-liturgical. However, the current situation is that Logos has tried to keep the Catholic market "hidden" with its own web site and blog without providing any forum for questions and suggestions specifically related to the Verbum specific features and suggestions. Because of my need to test on both platforms, I have resolved the issue by running Verbum as my main installation and Logos 5 as my beta testing version.

What I would like to see:

The Verbum expanded canon option be expanded so that it can be set to Catholic, Anglican, Lutheran, Greek Orthodox or Slavic Orthodox. That would cover all the groups for which they offer base packages.
The Verbum saint feature be expanded so that it can be set to any of the same groups. There are probably subdivision required here.
That the predefined collections be expanded to include a Confessions section and that all the predefined collections be subdivided into Anglican, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran and Oriental Orthodox. Users can create their own collections if they need finer distinctions.
That the Verbum ribbon allows for multiple lectionaries so that Anglicans, for example, can use both the BCP and the RCL which is what they do in the real world (not the virtual world of Logos)
The PBB sermon function allows for liturgical date.
If possible, add links to appropriate liturgy resources/sermon help web sites such as The Text this Week.

If this were done, not only would Logos meet the needs of its liturgical churches better, it could also have a Verbum-specific forums without invoking the dreaded C-word.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/586129#Comment_586129

I had at first thought Logos might be correct till every faith group that has a manager got it's own sub forum EXCEPT Catholics/Verbum. We need one because if no other reason issues in the Verbum program has no place to report errors other than generic desktop app forum.

Those forums are Product related i.e. how to improve the products (resources/tools) related to that faith group/manager. As to how the Product affects the software, I'm only aware that Verbum has additional tools and different canonical settings to Logos 5. Does that affect what is listed as a base package in Help >> About..? My Anglican Starter product doesn't affect that listing, nor does set Anglican to yes have any effect[:D]

Reporting errors/crashes needs to be restricted as multiple forums will increase the work load on Logos QA and volunteers; which is why General is discouraged as an error reporting forum and why Mac and Windows platforms share the one forum for Logos 5. If I can decipher some Mac errors I'm pretty sure that Verbum errors will be much easier[:)] (the product should be stated along with the platform).

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/586241#Comment_586241

nor does set Anglican to yes have any effect

It would if I had my way[:D]

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/586247#Comment_586247

But I'm a Pentecostal[:)]

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

Question: What is the difference between Verbum "software" and just "setting Verbum to yes" in my install of Logos5 with Verbum resources?

Likewise wonder about differences after noticeable lag after Logos 5.2a "Gold" release and Verbum 5.2a SR-1

Thankful can have both Verbum and Logos open at the same time so each one can have Collections and Library.

Next: Would it be possible for Verbum to now have it's own Section in the forums?

Dreaming of Verbum and Verbum Beta forums along with Verbum Beta releases.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Ken McGuire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/586210#Comment_586210

Since you asked....

That the Verbum ribbon allows for multiple lectionaries so that Anglicans, for example, can use both the BCP and the RCL which is what they do in the real world (not the virtual world of Logos)

YES! YES! A THOUSAND TIMES YES! YES I KNOW I AM SHOUTING...

My old default Libronix setup had multiple lectionaries - RCL for weekly, and the BCP one that I put together myself and released via the old newsgroups... As much as the lectionary section has improved since 4.0, it still needs help. You have elsewhere given other examples of how and why users would want multiple lectionaries.

That the predefined collections be expanded to include a Confessions section and that all the predefined collections be subdivided into Anglican, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran and Oriental Orthodox. Users can create their own collections if they need finer distinctions.

While this kind of can be set up on an individual basis already, some common defaults would be good. I admit that I haven't customized the guides to do this. I instead use "cited by" to get it...

The PBB sermon function allows for liturgical date.

AND calendar devotions by liturgical date.

As a Law/Gospel Lutheran, I would like some standard way of noting the Law - what we should do, and what leads Christ to the Cross - and the Gospel - what the Triune God is doing "for us an our salvation" as an encouragement to look beyond the petty moralisms of too much "Bible Study". Not sure how this would work in Logos though.

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/586400#Comment_586400

Verbum.com has gone live but no sub forum here???? Just seems odd to me.

-Dan

Mike Binks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/586191#Comment_586191

Can I add my voice to Greg's call. I have not purchased many 'Catholic' resources because of the need to run two systems.

As a Presbyterian I have an interest in all my local churches and what they are doing, celebrating, praying and preaching on.

As a jobbing worship leader I rely on the unwritten rule that using the lectionary readings for Sundays will mean that I will not be duplicating a recent service. For a non-litergical church I am strangely reliant on lectionaries.

Please Logos let's have a comprehensive system - give us a switch if you must but don't make us duplicate everything.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/586612#Comment_586612

I don't know whether to laugh or cry or hit the Logos logo with my fist. They've done a nice job on the Verbum store front and it works well regarding my current pre-orders, licenses etc. But why on earth would I want a separate Catholic store? A separate store front for entry into the Verbum packages and bundles yes but ...

No matter how much certain strains of American Christianity think that Catholics are a heresy unto themselves, Catholics, Lutherans, Anglican, Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox have a great deal in common and use many resources in common. (Yes I am aware that some Orthodox are very fearful of anything resembling westernization, some Lutherans & Anglicans are fearful of papification, some Catholics are fearful of modernization ...) If this new store implies we are all going to have to use two sites, Logos is crazy (plus it is insulting our collective intelligence). If this new store is intended to separate us from the other end of the spectrum, I have no objection to going to a different site for the SDA, Reformed, Pentecostal ... resources although I suspect it will cost Logos sales as I forget to look on the other site. If either is the intention, where is Logos going to be able to make a division that doesn't leave some mainline Protestants shaking their heads and feeling caught in the middle. Just consider the spectrum Anglican --> Methodist --> Church of the Nazarene |----> Holiness Movement . . .

Note: to add to the insult, I didn't find any great deals on the new site [:'(]

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/586612#Comment_586612

I have not purchased many 'Catholic' resources because of the need to run two systems.

They actually run fine on Logos but you do lose things like "Catholic topics" which again are common the the Anglican/Catholic/Eastern Orthodox/Lutheran/Oriental Orthodox (ACELO) nexus ... and to some extent Methodists and Moravians and probably others I don't know. At the moment, the Catholic side has no sermons coded for the sermon section ... and I have tons of Anglican sermons for particular liturgical dates. [:D] I have been pushing ACELO, ACELO, ACELO for several years but I've seen no sign that Logos has heard ... despite a number of forum members such as yourself pointing out that the needs spread much further down the mainline Protestants than I recognize. But at least I'm willing to be educated. Yesterday I found a denomination in the LDS tradition that uses the revised common lectionary. And I am very jealous of my Maryland-raised daughter-in-law that has actually attended a Moravian Holy Week Service.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/586279#Comment_586279

But I'm a Pentecostal

Closest I can come is that we had a charismatic priest for many years - the neighboring Methodist Temple has a room named for him. He was raised Methodist but became the Dominican Provincial for our province. His mother remained Methodist.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/586400#Comment_586400

As a Law/Gospel Lutheran, I would like some standard way of noting the Law - what we should do, and what leads Christ to the Cross - and the Gospel - what the Triune God is doing "for us an our salvation" as an encouragement to look beyond the petty moralisms of too much "Bible Study". Not sure how this would work in Logos though.

Actually, I've been working on a similar problem thinking that highlighting might handle this sort of issue - sort of like tasteful Rainbow Bible Overlays. I happen to be concerned with literary and rhetorical form but it really is a similar problem - how to make additional interpretive classification material available without a method of custom tagging.

tom

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/586210#Comment_586210

Question: What is the difference between Verbum "software" and just "setting Verbum to yes" in my install of Logos5 with Verbum resources?

Next: Would it be possible for Verbum to now have it's own Section in the forums?

If you haven't noticed, the word "Catholic" is a red-flag to some forum pit-bulls in a way that "Orthodox", "Anglo-Catholic" and "High Lutheran" are not. There appears to be a high level of ignorance regarding the commons needs (and beliefs) of these groups, leaving more than Catholics wishing to use Verbum. As I pointed out when Verbum was first released, a divided software should have been something more similar to liturgical/non-liturgical. However, the current situation is that Logos has tried to keep the Catholic market "hidden" with its own web site and blog without providing any forum for questions and suggestions specifically related to the Verbum specific features and suggestions. Because of my need to test on both platforms, I have resolved the issue by running Verbum as my main installation and Logos 5 as my beta testing version.

What I would like to see:

The Verbum expanded canon option be expanded so that it can be set to Catholic, Anglican, Lutheran, Greek Orthodox or Slavic Orthodox. That would cover all the groups for which they offer base packages.

The Verbum saint feature be expanded so that it can be set to any of the same groups. There are probably subdivision required here.

That the predefined collections be expanded to include a Confessions section and that all the predefined collections be subdivided into Anglican, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran and Oriental Orthodox. Users can create their own collections if they need finer distinctions.

That the Verbum ribbon allows for multiple lectionaries so that Anglicans, for example, can use both the BCP and the RCL which is what they do in the real world (not the virtual world of Logos)

The PBB sermon function allows for liturgical date.

If possible, add links to appropriate liturgy resources/sermon help web sites such as The Text this Week.

If this were done, not only would Logos meet the needs of its liturgical churches better, it could also have a Verbum-specific forums without invoking the dreaded C-word.

[y]

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/586400#Comment_586400

Peace to all on this Holy Saturday! *smile* Blessings to you all personally this EasterTide! (If you have extra time for yourself today, you might want to take a peek at this .... http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markdroberts/series/introduction-to-eastertide-the-season-of-easter/ )

Anyway ...........

Thank you, Ken, for summarising and expressing very well indeed some of my thoughts and feelings in this area! Very much appreciated!

Logos would really "free" me by taking to heart some of the thoughts of this thread! Please, Logos, please take a good long hard look at some of the items for which we have been asking.

Since you asked....

That the Verbum ribbon allows for multiple lectionaries so that Anglicans, for example, can use both the BCP and the RCL which is what they do in the real world (not the virtual world of Logos)

YES! YES! A THOUSAND TIMES YES! YES I KNOW I AM SHOUTING...

My old default Libronix setup had multiple lectionaries - RCL for weekly, and the BCP one that I put together myself and released via the old newsgroups... As much as the lectionary section has improved since 4.0, it still needs help. You have elsewhere given other examples of how and why users would want multiple lectionaries.

That the predefined collections be expanded to include a Confessions section and that all the predefined collections be subdivided into Anglican, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran and Oriental Orthodox. Users can create their own collections if they need finer distinctions.

While this kind of can be set up on an individual basis already, some common defaults would be good. I admit that I haven't customized the guides to do this. I instead use "cited by" to get it...

The PBB sermon function allows for liturgical date.

AND calendar devotions by liturgical date.

As a Law/Gospel Lutheran, I would like some standard way of noting the Law - what we should do, and what leads Christ to the Cross - and the Gospel - what the Triune God is doing "for us an our salvation" as an encouragement to look beyond the petty moralisms of too much "Bible Study". Not sure how this would work in Logos though.

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/586618#Comment_586618

I don't know whether to laugh or cry or hit the Logos logo with my fist. They've done a nice job on the Verbum store front and it works well regarding my current pre-orders, licenses etc. But why on earth would I want a separate Catholic store? A separate store front for entry into the Verbum packages and bundles yes but ...

This Catholic intends to continue shopping on logos.com because the Verbum.com shopping experience is (at present) rather lousy compared to shopping on logos.com.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587021#Comment_587021

... the Verbum.com shopping experience is (at present) rather lousy compared to shopping on logos.com

Noticed URL addition &unlocked=no has no effect in Verbum store search

https://verbum.com/search?context=product&sortBy=savings&direction=asc&limit=15&page=1&view=list&unlocked=no

Also noticed Forums link on Verbum.com => http://community.logos.com/forums/ does not have a Verbum forum.

Keep Smiling [:)]

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587026#Comment_587026

... the Verbum.com shopping experience is (at present) rather lousy compared to shopping on logos.com

Noticed URL addition &unlocked=no has no effect in Verbum store search

https://verbum.com/search?context=product&sortBy=savings&direction=asc&limit=15&page=1&view=list&unlocked=no

Also noticed Forums link on Verbum.com => http://community.logos.com/forums/ does not have a Verbum forum.

Plus slower scrolling through resources, limited checking of discount percentages/regular prices, weakened sorting power, no CPs, lousier product listing access to begin with, etc.

David Ames

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587029#Comment_587029

Plus slower scrolling through resources, limited checking of discount percentages/regular prices, weakened sorting power, no CPs, lousier product listing access to begin with, etc.

But it is a start.

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587096#Comment_587096

Plus slower scrolling through resources, limited checking of discount percentages/regular prices, weakened sorting power, no CPs, lousier product listing access to begin with, etc.

But it is a start.

What I wish they'd done is to port over the store experience from logos.com to verbum.com and then simply tweak it rather than weaken it. But we'll see how they go on to develop the site.

Bob Pritchett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/586210#Comment_586210

Based on discussion with our customers and internally about planned features, we decided to build separately branded products. At the moment the differences are small -- some different guides, Home Page options, etc. But in the future there will be more differences, and it was hard to figure out how to merge different needs into one product.

Content you buy in one store will work in the other, and much of the content will be sold though both storefronts. (This will happen with Noet.com, too, in the future.)

But just as some protestants don't want to interact with some Catholic resources, some Catholic customers want a store where everything is Catholic-compatible.

Trust me, I wish we could just have one store -- AllBooks.com? -- but it just doesn't work, unless you're Amazon. And even there, they suffer the problem that a store that's good for all books (and all products) isn't great for lots of them. Sometimes a specialty store is better, for lots of reasons.

We do want the experience to be as smooth as possible, and while the marketing for base packages, etc., will be different on the three different sites, most of the books should be available on most of the sites. We're also working on how to tell you that a title you searched for isn't a Logos Edition, but is for sale as an ebook for Vyrso, etc.

Please do continue to post feedback here, especially about how to make the Verbum store better.

Thanks!

-- Bob

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587461#Comment_587461

Based on discussion with our customers and internally about planned features, we decided to build separately branded products. At the moment the differences are small -- some different guides, Home Page options, etc. But in the future there will be more differences, and it was hard to figure out how to merge different needs into one product.

This makes some sense - I'd need to know more regarding the planned differences to make a solid judgment. However the division cannot be Catholic/Other ... see http://community.logos.com/forums/t/83797.aspx The division must include Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, high Lutheran, high Anglican on one side as a minimum. More suitably one version handles the churches using a liturgical calendar, lectionaries (usually plural), having some cycle of saints ... these also tend to church documents (creeds/ confessions), use interpret Scripture in a confessional or traditional manner i.e. include some Methodists, Moravians, Presbyterians etc. beyond the base population I mentioned initially.

Please be sure your Logos designers have more than a superficial acquaintance with a broad range of traditions use of the Bible before designing. We have already seen a number of features that meet one groups needs but miss many groups by a simple feature or two. Examples:

prayer list closing a petition if you put anything in the answered section
prayer list not permitting Bible references
provisions for only one lectionary when multiples is the norm
Bible reading plans evening out the readings rather than accepting the given list
no provision for reading plans / psalters that repeat on a monthly (or other) basis

some Catholic customers want a store where everything is Catholic-compatible.

You realize, I hope, that this is a small sliver of the Catholic market - in the Pacific Northwest you are talking about traditionalists and a group of recent converts. I also hope you realize that the Seattle archdiocese which includes Bellingham, has Ruthenian, Byzantine, and Maronite churches (which are nearly indistinguishable from the Orthodox) as well as Chinese and Spanish so that conservative Latin rite doesn't cut it.

tom

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587474#Comment_587474

However the division cannot be Catholic/Other ... see http://community.logos.com/forums/t/83797.aspx The division must include Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, high Lutheran, high Anglican on one side as a minimum. More suitably one version handles the churches using a liturgical calendar, lectionaries (usually plural), having some cycle of saints ... these also tend to church documents (creeds/ confessions), use interpret Scripture in a confessional or traditional manner i.e. include some Methodists, Moravians, Presbyterians etc. beyond the base population I mentioned initially.

Please be sure your Logos designers have more than a superficial acquaintance with a broad range of traditions use of the Bible before designing. We have already seen a number of features that meet one groups needs but miss many groups by a simple feature or two. Examples:

prayer list closing a petition if you put anything in the answered section

prayer list not permitting Bible references

provisions for only one lectionary when multiples is the norm

Bible reading plans evening out the readings rather than accepting the given list

no provision for reading plans / psalters that repeat on a monthly (or other) basis

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I completely agree!!!!!!

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587461#Comment_587461

Please do continue to post feedback here, especially about how to make the Verbum store better.

One big thing would be to give those of us who qualify for academic discounts on logos.com the same status on verbum.com.

Louis St. Hilaire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587474#Comment_587474

some Catholic customers want a store where everything is Catholic-compatible.

You realize, I hope, that this is a small sliver of the Catholic market - in the Pacific Northwest you are talking about traditionalists and a group of recent converts.

To clarify, Verbum.com is designed to better serve Catholic customers and is heavily weighted toward products they're likely to be interested in, but we've chosen not to limit it to Catholic resources. If you want to buy Luther's Works or Reformed Gold there, you can.

The issue isn't so much that some people might be offended by the presence of differing viewpoints, but that the large majority of potential Catholic customers can be reached more effectively with a dedicated storefront than with a hard-to-find corner of a website primarily aimed at serving Evangelical customers.

One big thing would be to give those of us who qualify for academic discounts on logos.com the same status on verbum.com.

I'm looking into this. Obviously, we're still working out bugs and implementing some things, but Verbum.com will be fully featured.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587645#Comment_587645

The issue isn't so much that some people might be offended by the presence of differing viewpoints, but that the large majority of potential Catholic customers can be reached more effectively with a dedicated storefront than with a hard-to-find corner of a website primarily aimed at serving Evangelical customers.

This I understand and agree with - and there are some aspects of the new site that I prefer to the Logos site. However, I still think Catholic is the wrong dividing line although I agree that my idiosyncratic ACELO wouldn't be generally recognized.[;)]

Fr Devin Roza

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587651#Comment_587651

Congratulations on getting up the new website! I think Louis St. Hilaire's explanation of why such a website is necessary makes perfect sense.

A few comments on the look and functionality of the new site:

1. I prefer the more compact look and feel of the Logos site, although I understand how this new look and feel might be better for new customers. Maybe once you are actually in the "store" (where you are seeing, for example, 15 products a page by default), that we get a more compact look, similar to Logos.com.

2. It is somewhat difficult to actually get to the "store" part of the website. I suppose that was probably done thinking that most users of the site would be new users. For them, that makes sense, but not so much for users who already have Verbum.

3. I think we are getting to the point where it seems strange that there are no Verbum and Catholic subforums on the Logos forums. Especially now that on Verbum.com you have a link to a "forum" that apparently has nothing to do with Verbum! I know that in the past there were problems with anti-Catholic postings, but those days seem long gone... and at the very least both Logos as a company and its forum users have shown themselves more than capable of handing such situations with dignity and grace. Let's get two subforums - Verbum (for questions about the product), and Catholic (for suggestions related to new resources).

4. The Verbum website asked me to post a telephone number before purchasing, but then only accepted US format telephone numbers. I live in Italy. I "adapted" my number to fit.

5. Certain features are missing, of course - Wish Lists, CP, etc.

Congrats again, and Happy Easter!

tom

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587651#Comment_587651

I still think Catholic is the wrong dividing line although I agree that my idiosyncratic ACELO wouldn't be generally recognized.

[y]

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587645#Comment_587645

One big thing would be to give those of us who qualify for academic discounts on logos.com the same status on verbum.com.

I'm looking into this. Obviously, we're still working out bugs and implementing some things, but Verbum.com will be fully featured.

Thank you very much. :-)

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587707#Comment_587707

And Verbum.com is the first Logos website not to require a credit card for 0.00 total invoices. Whihc is something that at least on Vyrso it still appears to be going with card on file.

-Dan

Gary Foster

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587766#Comment_587766

I don't necessarily think having the Verbum site available to separate out Catholic resources is either good or bad. Being Catholic, I find myself reading a lot of non-Catholic stuff as well as Catholic resources. I do like to know whether something is dogmatic or not, though, so I know what spirit to approach that particular text but that doesn't mean I don't get value from it simply because it may or may not have an imprimatur.

I do know that sometimes I find myself specifically looking for a Catholic view on a topic, so having category filters might be enough but I don't really think having completely separate websites for each specific denomination is sustainable in the long term.

I do understand the reasoning behind having different functionality for the actual Verbum application vice Logos. There is simply different functionality that is needed depending on how you approach your studies but that same argument doesn't necessarily hold true for storefront functionality in my opinion.

As for the actual Verbum app... I've been running Logos with "set Verbum to yes" enabled for a while now. Yesterday I actually switched over and installed the Verbum binary instead. I did notice there were some issues with it, such as it fails to restart properly when instructed to (such as when it has downloaded new resources and I click on the restart link). I don't notice a great deal of difference between the two modes (separate binary versus "set verbum to yes") for now, but since it seems that if the intention is they will be branching off each other more in the future I should go ahead and "future proof" myself.

Deacon Steve

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587794#Comment_587794

Let me know if I need to start a new thread for this ...

I'm logged on to verbum.com and signed in under my User ID, in the store:

- for items that I own the "Add to Cart" button is grayed out,

- for items that I have pre-ordered the "Pre-order" button is still blue

-- when I click on a pre-ordered item, the details tell me I have already placed and order.

Net result: I cannot tell which items I have pre-ordered unless I click on them and go to the product page. [:(]

This is different than the main Logos.com/catholic store.

???

Deacon Steve

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587660#Comment_587660

5. Certain features are missing, of course - Wish Lists, CP, etc.

Yes ... Also some sorting options in the store, "Newest" for example is not an option. (So I can see what's been added quickly.)

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587766#Comment_587766

And Verbum.com is the first Logos website not to require a credit card for 0.00 total invoices. Whihc is something that at least on Vyrso it still appears to be going with card on file.

Wonderful!

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587461#Comment_587461

But just as some protestants don't want to interact with some Catholic resources, some Catholic customers want a store where everything is Catholic-compatible.

Trust me, I wish we could just have one store -- AllBooks.com? -- but it just doesn't work, unless you're Amazon. And even there, they suffer the problem that a store that's good for all books (and all products) isn't great for lots of them. Sometimes a specialty store is better, for lots of reasons.

We do want the experience to be as smooth as possible, and while the marketing for base packages, etc., will be different on the three different sites, most of the books should be available on most of the sites.

But there are people who have no problems with a mixture of resources. Therefore, though you are marketing various base packages, I assume you will continue to market a general base package.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587908#Comment_587908

But there are people who have no problems with a mixture of resources. Therefore, though you are marketing various base packages, I assume you will continue to market a general base package.

That describes me. I imagine BobP will sell me any resource I can pay for.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587915#Comment_587915

But there are people who have no problems with a mixture of resources. Therefore, though you are marketing various base packages, I assume you will continue to market a general base package.

That describes me. I imagine BobP will sell me any resource I can pay for.

+1 [Y] plus Thankful for a library with a diverse mixture of resources.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Trixi Heide

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/587461#Comment_587461

Hallo, ich staune natürlich über die ganze Vielfalt.

Seid ich mit Jesus "unterwegs" bin kaufe ich in christlichen Buchhandlungen. Meist lasse ich mich da von dem jeweiligen Titel inspirieren.

Jedoch jetzt, hier, denke ich, Jesus war Jude, (und gleichermaßen Gott, der er immer noch ist) und nicht Protestant, und all die anderen Denominationen)

Dermaleins werden wir alle "nur" ein Jesus liebender und gehorsamer neuer Mensch sein, so wie Jesus sein. Einander liebend ... usw.

Gruss Trixi

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1247400#Comment_1247400

Dermaleins werden wir alle "nur" ein Jesus liebender und gehorsamer neuer Mensch sein, so wie Jesus sein. Einander liebend ... usw.

Amen!