1st John and it's apparent contradictions
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JimVanSchoonhoven said:
I have a real problem with the whole idea of habitual sin compared to sin that just happens once in a while.
Jim,
The distinction I'm making is with habit in the sense that I do it repeatedly, and do not let the Holy Spirit heal me from it vs. doing wrong in a particular way once, and then listening to Him pointing that out to you, and letting Him change you. I believe God is able to make us increasingly more like He wants us to be by the power of His spirit. If we have a new nature as 1 John 3 says, then we cannot keep committing the same sins.
Joe
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Robert Pavich said:
can you elaborate when you say "hamartia vs harartion"?
Robert,
Check out the Greek underlying the English word "sin" in 1 John 1. Just like phileo vs agape, it's not the same in Greek. If you look in Logos at the Greek word that we translate "sin," you'll notice that there are times that hamartia is used, and times that hamartion is used. I take one to be the equivalent of habitual sin, and the other that of an uncharacteristic, singular act of sin. It's been a while since I worked through that, though, so I don't recall right now which is which.
Joe
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Joe,
You said
"IF we have a new nature then we cannot keep on commiting the same sins"So you've never lied more than once? Never had more than one "bad thought" run through your head?
I think that it's clear that Christians sin.
Who among us has given 100% of our affections to God 100% of the time every day?
Of course the answer is nobody.
just my 02 cents.
Robert Pavich
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JoeGschwandtner said:Robert Pavich said:
can you elaborate when you say "hamartia vs harartion"?
Robert,
Check out the Greek underlying the English word "sin" in 1 John 1. Just like phileo vs agape, it's not the same in Greek. If you look in Logos at the Greek word that we translate "sin," you'll notice that there are times that hamartia is used, and times that hamartion is used. I take one to be the equivalent of habitual sin, and the other that of an uncharacteristic, singular act of sin. It's been a while since I worked through that, though, so I don't recall right now which is which.
Joe
What??? One is a noun; the other is a participle. I fail to see the distinction you are making. I believe that habitual sin is in view in 1 John 3:6. However, it is also possible that John is combatting two different forms of Gnosticism in these two passages (sinless perfection and the belief that sin does not touch the spirit). From this thread, others obviously have different views. That is alright, but I fail to understand your point.
Jack
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Interesting old thread from a few months before I started on the forum. The old thread Kent dredged up brought me here. I'm just commenting so that I won't lose track of it.
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David Paul said:
I'm just commenting so that I won't lose track of it.
If there's an old thread you want to keep track of, you can always go to the first post in the thread and choose More > "Add this post as a favorite." That way, you aren't reviving an old thread for the sole reason of keeping track of it.
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Rosie Perera said:David Paul said:
I'm just commenting so that I won't lose track of it.
If there's an old thread you want to keep track of, you can always go to the first post in the thread and choose More > "Add this post as a favorite." That way, you aren't reviving an old thread for the sole reason of keeping track of it.
Okay, I clicked that option (but should I click "add post" or "add forum"?), but what does that do for me? I don't see any way of locating the things I tag.
I think that's why I've never used this option in the past.
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Hi David,
I know that if I click on add to favorites, it shows up under my "Shared Favorites" list, right under my name on my profile page. I am now seeing if the tag shows up as well,
DAP
edit. Tag doesn't show up, may be an great idea for a suggestion, to allow us to view tags on our favorites list, as it does not look like there is any way to organize the list...
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