Fix dynamic pricing on Baker Encountering the Bible Series (8 vols.), please!

Baker Encountering the Bible Series (8 vols.) is currently not showing dynamic pricing correctly:

It says it's showing dynamic pricing, and indeed the price shown on the product description page is less than the regular price by 43%:

But I already own 7 of these 8 books:

There is no way $122.37 is a fair price for the last of them that I don't own yet, especially since that book sold by itself goes for $29.99. Normally, with dynamic pricing, a single missing volume can be picked up for a bit less than the stand-alone price. That's what I'd expect here. The regular price for this set ($214.35) divided by 8 yields $26.70. So I would expect the dynamic price for someone who owns everything in this set except Encountering John would be somewhere between $26.70 and $29.99.

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Randy W. Sims

I think some of those titles have new editions. What edition do you have for the OT & NT surveys?

NB.Mick

Normally, with dynamic pricing, a single missing volume can be picked up for a bit less than the stand-alone price. That's what I'd expect here. The regular price for this set ($214.35) divided by 8 yields $26.70.

To the best of my knowledge (which I believes comes from explanations of dynamic pricing given by Logos employees here in the forum and which I have confirmed occassionally by setting up a spreadsheet and simulating a "what's new for me"), dynamic pricing follows a weighted ratio, so it's possible to verify the expected dynamic price:

The current regular price of the single volumes gets added up and gives a total sum of regular prices. The bundle price before dynamic pricing is X% of this total sum. Then the dynamic price of the bundle is X% of the partial sum of regular prices of those resources you don't own.

This calculation is more precise than dividing by the number of resources - of course this is not needed when the individual price of all the resources is the same. And in some cases we may need to estimate the individual prices (such as when parts of a non-split bundle are put into another, dynamically priced bundle, such as the pre-summer deal).

Daniel Bender

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/599078#Comment_599078

Perhaps this explains my question I own all 8 volumes but according to dynamic pricing I can get the entire set for $23.

Daniel Bender

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/599078#Comment_599078

I think some of those titles have new editions. What edition do you have for the OT & NT surveys?

Randy, I checked my versions of each book and the one on Romans by Moo is newer. I have the 1998 version and the one now being offered is 2002. I purchased it a few years ago and recently acquired the rest of the series. Good catch.

Edit: I purchased Romans in 2009 so not sure why I did not get the 2002 version. All other resources in this package are the newest version.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/599154#Comment_599154

Beware of the Romans!

Or rather, beware of the editions of this book.

https://www.logos.com/product/33112/encountering-the-book-of-romans-a-theological-survey is just a re-edition of a former edition without pictures (seems there were some copyright issues), see this thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/81469.aspx

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/599078#Comment_599078

Rosie, I think Randy is spot on:

I think some of those titles have new editions. What edition do you have for the OT & NT surveys?

If you check out the individual works, you probably find you don't own:

Encountering John: The Gospel in Historical, Literary, and Theological Perspective by Andreas J. Köstenberger
Encountering the Book of Romans by Douglas J. Moo (see my post above, this should be fixed)
Encountering the Old Testament: A Christian Survey, 2nd ed. by Bill T. Arnold and Bryan E. Beyer (new edition)
Encountering the New Testament: A Historical and Theological Survey, 3rd ed. by Robert W. Yarbrough and Walter A. Elwell (new edition)

Their individual prices would be around 152.96 (or 57.09% of the full price), this bundle gives a 20% rebate which comes down to 122.37 (which is 57.09% of the sales price before DP). Thus, DP calculation works correctly seen from a SKU level.

I'm actually in the same boat, with Psalms and John switched.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/599159#Comment_599159

I do have Encountering the Book of Romans by Douglas Moo (2002 edition). I don't know why the website shows that I don't own it.

I have the older editions of OT and NT (2008 and 2005, respectively). However, since those aren't incredibly outdated, I don't care about getting the newer ones, so I guess I'm best off just buying Encountering John by itself to round out my set.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/599278#Comment_599278

I do have Encountering the Book of Romans by Douglas Moo (2002 edition). I don't know why the website shows that I don't own it.

Baker asked Logos to re-issue this without the pictures (which are about a dozen, low quality ones) - maybe some photographer with an unclear copyright situation had sued them. See the link I gave above. I'm glad that Logos isn't forced to do an "Amazon 1984" on us in such situations - however, to avoid all this confusion and subsequent errors (like here, like in the mobileEd and elsewhere), they should have explained to their customers [at least on the new produt page] and given a licence for the "new" version to owners of the old.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/599326#Comment_599326

Baker asked Logos to re-issue this without the pictures (which are about a dozen, low quality ones) - maybe some photographer with an unclear copyright situation had sued them.

Arggh! I had a look, and the photos are indeed poor quality. I wouldn't miss them. But I certainly wouldn't want to buy the book over again just for the right to have the legitimate version. This update should be free for people who had bought it already. Better yet, they should work with Baker to get better pictures (I'm assuming the print version has higher quality images) and let those of us who bought the resource already get that upgrade for free as well.

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/599330#Comment_599330

This update should be free for people who had bought it already. Better yet, they should work with Baker to get better pictures (I'm assuming the print version has higher quality images) and let those of us who bought the resource already get that upgrade for free as well.

Seems reasonable.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/599326#Comment_599326

maybe some photographer with an unclear copyright situation had sued them

More likely they were embarrassed by the quality of the images and didn't want it to give them a bad name, so they asked to have them removed until they can come up with better quality versions of the original images.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/599326#Comment_599326

maybe some photographer with an unclear copyright situation had sued them

EDIT: Wouldn't you be embarrassed if your company had put out images of this poor quality? Especially when compared with some of the awesome images Logos now has in its stable.

EDIT 2: Granted, some of the degradation in image quality might have come from my taking a screenshot of it and uploading it (probably got compressed a bit), but believe me, it was really bad already to begin with. That pixelation in the sky is visible in my copy of Encountering Romans in Logos.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/599615#Comment_599615

maybe some photographer with an unclear copyright situation had sued them

More likely they were embarrassed by the quality of the images and didn't want it to give them a bad name, so they asked to have them removed until they can come up with better quality versions of the original images.

I'd like to hope your explanation were true...