CPU-question: L2- & L3-cache AMD quad core; battery; fan
You know what Logos requires. In this post I list all the hardware configuration details I'm unsure about considering my laptop use. I Considering downsizing Logos library, so the entire library search speeds and having hoards of tabs open in Logos are not causing the trouble. Would like to optimize laptop for for example opening the library, scrolling (should at least be several times more responsive than on my oldest still running laptop, a Samsung from 2009), opening books, looking up definitions in general English dictionaries and New Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible.
Typical day today: I have a total of 244 Google Chrome tabs (many of the Christianforums.com (but I usually pay to get rid of ads there), logos.com and blocket.se (if I buy or sell used things)) open spread over 9 instances, Logos 5.2a, 5 Windows simple calculators, Charmap, Paint, 7 Notepad instances open. When in class I need to have Microsoft Word (if needed because of speed issues I can install 2007 or 2010 instead of the current version) and Accordance 10 open too. It's not too slow except on battery (and the internet connection is also slow which slows things down), it's just that I think that this my main laptop will wear out sooner or later or the OS become antiquated (Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit) or the CPU become antiquated (AMD E-450 APU 1.65GHz) despite that I regularly change the drive to a newer one by copying everything from old drive to new one, and I don't want to stand without a proper laptop for any amount of time.
More about which softwares should be running: I have Kaspersky Internet Security. I tried out the Malwarebytes trial when it actively scanned but this dual core laptop went really slow. I had both security softwares set to maximum security settings. How would You recommend that I configure them and is it wise to pay for both? The price for Malwarebytes is low for what it does. I don't think it is worth the effort and trouble to rely on backups and having to re-install computer even though I know very well how to install. Some Logos settings, notes and highlightings are not always saved to the cloud but I don't wish to discuss that particular thing. I also have a BitDefender license for 3 computers which I got for $13½. I've promised a friend of mine to use on one but I'm afraid she might be disappointed if it makes her computer slow so I'm letting her think about it, and I will probably let my other friend (the one skilled in languages and theology) to use one. Should I save one for a new extra laptop or should I install on my desktop instead (You can see the specs in my signature, it's the one with Pentium D) or perhaps the 2009 Samsung laptop?
If I would buy an extra laptop with quad core CPU, how much L2 and L3 cache should it have? Or is there something else to pay attention to besides fast and durable disk, DDR3 RAM, graphics card that supports Directx 11 or perhaps even 11.1 and with almost 1GB memory, and larger monitor than 1366*768 pixels?
Is there any specific CPU model, preferably AMD as those are cheaper, that runs .NET and WPF faster than most other CPU:s?
OS would be Windows 8.1 Update 1.
Does a quad core consume less electricity than dual core under these circumstances? I would suppose it does if You set it to use a little lower clock frequency as it doesn't have to allocate (too few) cores to (too many) threads/processes as desperately as a dual core.
Is there any other brand besides Samsung that has a setting that You charge the battery only 80% of its capacity?
Which current laptops have adequate cooling besides gaming laptops? I do use a fan beneath the computer but I also have an older Samsung laptop with really poor fan control - it turns it off sometimes when it's needed and it's way too weak - if I do anything demanding I have to put the fan beneath it, and since customisable fans are pretty expensive I can't afford buying a fan for each laptop.
Also speaking of fans, does anyone know of a cheap HDD fan for desktop computers which can be properly installed (i.e. not directly on the HDD/hybrid drive/SSD but hovering above it) which can be ordered online to Europe, preferably with somewhat fast shipping as well? It would be for my friend's computer and there's plenty of space. It doesn't need to be very powerful, cost is the main issue. One that looks decent with two fans, so I would prefer not having to install a plain chassis fan with lots of modifications just to fasten it. Each time You want to push the power button You see the HDD because You open the front lid.
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bump! My questions are a bit difficult, but if answered will help a few others too to make optimal decisions. If there are no reasonably prized computers suitable for Logos and Chrome (I browse mostly text) I will not buy a new one until years from now. You can tell me what technology and cache memory sizes are optimal and I'll look up what the prices are over here so You won't need to do the latter except for the HDD fan (I've started to ask some stores over here and the proper HDD fans cost about $50 which is nowhere near the kind of money I have).
EDIT: After thorough searching I found a HDD/hybrid drive/SSD fan at amazon.co.uk, it ships from Spain: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cablematic-Fan-Hard-5-25-double/dp/B007KA4YRI/ref=sr_1_50?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1402256395&sr=1-50&keywords=drive+bay+fanDisclosure!
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TLDR. This is not quite the right forum.
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How are people elsewhere supposed to know what kind of computer runs Logos fine? I constantly have problems (right now almost every day) when I tell people that Logos is disk intense - they ask what kind of app is it and I say e-books and they say that's like office use!
There's so many CPU's and I know little about the recent AMD CPU's. I really need help from someone with experience of AMD.
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The kind of computers that are fitted for disk-intensive, CPU-intensive work, will run Logos just fine.
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WAY TLDRLee said:TLDR. This is not quite the right forum.
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Do I NEED to go for the biggest possible amount of both L2- and L3-cache, or is there some specific quad core AMD CPU without maxed cache that will do? In case You haven't looked at the poor specs in my signature You may not have realized that I'm not planning on buying the best possible computer. I said in the OP that the current computer that I mainly use is not slow (the one with 8GB RAM and a 2013 hybrid drive), there's just some things that are slow to do such as adjusting the loudspeaker volume or switching between energy saving mode and normal "high-performance" mode (I'm not sure what those settings are called in English as I'm using a Swedish Windows 7), Paint is a little slow when pasting large images (is that due to slow RAM?), using Logos, and Accordance starts slow.
As I've understood it, some CPU's are made purely for gaming, and I want to avoid those as I won't be gaming (and never have).
The kind of multitasking I do is that I use one window at a time but have all this stuff open because I'm not that good at interrupting all the things I'm doing. But I'm able to focus on one thing at a time. I use maximized windows so most things are not feeling slow, just some.
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Thinkpad t440p very nice running logos5.
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Thanks, Chaoyu-Bian! Are those new ones? If so they are way out of the price-league I can afford. I could afford ⅓ of that price. We have a 25% VAT over here. Looks like I have to get a used one, but I don't want an outdated model as I want to be able to change to a new battery many years from now. The high VAT affects prices for used hardware too and many used computers are Windows 7! I could buy a laptop with no OS, no disk or Linux, get a new, better disk and install Windows 8.1 Update 1 from scratch. I have the Windows 8.1 license, non-OEM. I would have use for a spare Windows 7 license if it's possible to install on a different computer?
So I also want to know about a little older AMD quad core CPU:s!
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It would help to know the budget for a computer you have to help answer this.
Also what is the total of your Logos resources?
The main thing that I look at for a Windows PC CPU type and speed, total RAM for the system, the disk drive and now that I have SSD I would not use a hdd, and last the video card used.
The video is the slowest part of my current system.
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I know since quite a while approximately what to look for. Probably none of You can know how much used computers over here may cost. Neither do I know as I don't know which exact CPU:s are adequate, so it's difficult to pull up an ad, negotiate the price and see how much it is (always have to negotiate the price). I don't have a specific budget other than that I have an upper limit. If I can't find an adequate CPU with graphics that will support future Windows operative-system versions, S-ATA III interface if possible within the budget (but I predict it's not possible) and excellent battery support, I won't buy a computer for several years and wont get the expensive Accordance language resources now. Because before doing any major move with my libraries I was intending to buy a new extra computer at the same time. I will not sell my old computers to finance the new one, I want to have all the computers in use so that I can separate schoolwork from other things and get better at focusing.
Because of the latter I perhaps should not keep that many Chrome tabs open while I use Microsoft Word, Logos 5.2a and Accordance 10, but use one of my other computers for Christianforums and community.logos.com.
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Unix,
If you search the forum I think you will find that the consensus on hardware regardless of what operating system you are running is as follows:
SSD - This is the sign must important upgrade you can make to improve the speed of Logos, bare none. Many times an older laptop will run Logos faster with a SSD than a new laptop without! It is that impactful. If you are purchasing a new laptop to run Logos on this is a must have.
4MB of memory - 2MB will work, but everything runs much faster with 4MB, a noticeable increase with 8MB, hardly any increase when you bump up to 16MB.
Video Card - All current Intel and AMD CPU have graphics now, but your 2009 laptop's graphic might be making things appear slow.
CPU - Surprisingly this is not very important. 4 core and fast speed will make indexing faster, but once indexing is done Logos does not really need that much CPU power.
Now some of the things you mentioned to speed up Logos in the way you are using it. IF you have poor graphics or only 2MB memory the number of resources you have open will slow you down. Otherwise it does not impact speed unless you have tons of resources open, but at that point I think your own brain will be the limiting factor for efficient study! Notes DO impact speed. Don't have too many open at once and do not let any one note file get too big. Finally, I have a very big library and the size of my library has no impact of the speed of Logos, except initial indexing.
I hope this helps.
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Keith, by 2MB, 4MB, 8MB and 16MB memory You are referring to GB of RAM, right? That was not what I was asking. An option would of course be to intall Windows 8.1 Update 1 32-bit and 4GB of RAM but it may not run Accordance and Logos simultaneusly with Microsoft Word 2007 any faster than 64-bit and 8GB RAM, or?
By MB I was referring to cache in the CPU, called L2- and L3-cache.
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I like to leave several softwares open on my newest laptop (which is early 2012) - which is the one with the example of 244 Chrome tabs open and all that. On desktops I don't do that, that's why my main desktop (the Pentium D and 1TB HDD) has only 3GB of RAM and I'm going to install 32-bit Windows on it, haven't yet decided whether it will be Windows 8.1 Update 1 or Windows 7, I would prefer the latter if I would have a spare license. I don't necessarily have any spare Windows license other than Vista which I'm definitely not going to use as it's not even less RAM-intensive:
Keith Larson said:CPU - Surprisingly this is not very important. 4 core and fast speed will make indexing faster, but once indexing is done Logos does not really need that much CPU power.
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Since no-one seems to know specific AMD CPU:s or what technology I should look for, I don't seem to be able to make an informed CPU choice. Therefore it will be easier to look for a fairly modern quad core than a dual core that is even a bit more modern. Quad core will perform seemingly simple tasks better. Currently with the AMD dual core I have, Logos frequently hangs up for a few seconds which quite disturbs the workflow. Will even a bit older quad core fix that?:
Keith Larson said:CPU - Surprisingly this is not very important. 4 core and fast speed will make indexing faster, but once indexing is done Logos does not really need that much CPU power.
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Yes, but it's also the one that can be done later on, at any point in time. Generally, when reading the internet broadly, programs are said to load faster. But the speed of starting Logos is not my concern. I suspect an older quad core CPU will be a cheaper way to speed up softwares when they are already up and running, than to go with an SSD right from start. Also, 256GB SSD:s will still for quite a while be way out of reach price-wise. 128GB would be enough for now but would not make for a high resale value. The option would be to buy a laptop that comes with a 120GB or 128GB SSD, copy everything from it to a 7,200rpm WD Black HDD (the best HDD) or a hybrid drive, store the SSD unused, and many years from now when wanting to sell the laptop put the SSD back in it. EDIT: Why? Because currently I have 100GB in use on my main laptop, the one from 2012 with 8GB RAM and hybrid drive with 8GB SSD part (The SSD part is too small). There nothing I could delete/uninstall to free space. The recommendation is to have ⅓ free on the drive that has Windows and Logos, and indexing may need up to 20GB free disk space in a worst case scenario. What would be the resale value, won't people say 10 years from now think that 120GB or 128GB is really tiny?
Also, don't SSD:s overheat more easily than hybrid drives with 16GB or even 32GB SSD part and when using on battery and not having the fan to put beneath the computer with me, it poses a problem, right?:
Keith Larson said:SSD - This is the singel must important upgrade you can make to improve the speed of Logos, bare none.
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Keith, by 2MB, 4MB, 8MB and 16MB memory You are referring to GB of RAM, right? That was not what I was asking. An option would of course be to intall Windows 8.1 Update 1 32-bit and 4GB of RAM but it may not run Accordance and Logos simultaneusly with Microsoft Word 2007 any faster than 64-bit and 8GB RAM, or?
By MB I was referring to cache in the CPU, called L2- and L3-cache.
Yes. My bad GB.
As I said 8GB will be noticeably faster, even if you are not running lots of programs. Given your scenario 8 GB if not 16 GB would be in order. I answered the question as to what a person needs to run Logos well. It is without saying that if you are running lots of other programs you will want more memory. If you don't Windows uses a page file from the HD as memory and that slows everything down.
L2 and L3 cache is so closely tied to the CPU that benchmarks will be your best guide there. Both Intel and AMD cripple chips at the L2 and L3 level and sell them cheaper. Benchmarks will give you a good idea as to how much this impacts performance.
As for CPU I think my AMD Richland desktop runs and indexes Logos a little better than my Haswell i5 desktop. However, I am a bit of an AMD fan boy. I have not benchmarked them.
As for laptop CPU I would recommend Intel if battery life is important. AMD just cannot get their mobile CPU act together.
As for operating system. I will be moving over to the Apple side with my next laptop. After last week's Apple developers conference I think Apple's vision for linking the PC to handhelds is superior. The first thing I do when I reinstall Windows 8 is install Start 8. I absolutely hate the Windows 8 Modern UI. I never go to the Windows Start Page or to the Windows Store. For me Start 8 turns Windows 8 into Windows 7.2. This tells me that Microsoft's view for the post-PC world is fundamentally flawed. The fact that the Surface 3 is nothing more than an Ultrabook with a bad keyboard (that you have to pay extra for) speaks volumes on how flawed their vision is. I cannot imagine many people actually using it as a 12 inch tablet, they will always use it with the keyboard. If this is the case, why not go with the MacBook Air that has a great touch pad and keyboard?
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Unix, you should always buy the fastest computer that fits in your budget. That way you won't be looking to buy another one as quickly.
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That's what I did in early 2013, at the time I had no serious plans to use Accordance. And no better hybrid drives were for sale in the biggest store in this City in Summer 2013.
Right now there are laptops that cost ~$450 used that are obviously worse (after some research) than ones that cost $300 for sale used. The ad price and even the price after negotiation doesn't tell much about the speed of the computer and I need to know more about technology to make a choice, or else I can't make a choice and have to be stuck with the computers I have for some more years:
Joseph Turner said:Unix, you should always buy the fastest computer that fits in your budget. That way you won't be looking to buy another one as quickly.
EDIT: Here an example of an OK dual core laptop, with specs: http://www.blocket.se/stockholm/Dell_Latitude_3330_Core_i5_128GB_SSD_harddisk_54339938.htm?ca=11&w=2 Ad price $407. If I would buy it, which I won't, I would not afford very many Accordance books but maybe enough, I'll negotiate with the person with the Accordance books. EDIT3: verdict: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/laptop/3452968/dell-latitude-3330-review/?tab=verdictTab#topEDIT2: here's how much a quad core laptop costs, with specs: http://www.blocket.se/uppsala/Samsung_i_toppskick___AMD_Quad__8GB_RAM__1TB_53572397.htm?ca=11&w=2 $528. That's definitely more than I can afford, but the ad is very old so perhaps the price can be negotiated if it's not sold.
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but at that point I think your own brain will be the limiting factor for efficient study!
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Does this answer your question? >>> He has to float a loan to buy a cooling fan.Lee Garrison said:Unix
It would help to know the budget for a computer you have to help answer this.
Unix said:First of all, my father doesn't know what computers and when I buy to others, or how many. So whatever he has said is irrelevant, today I asked him to borrow me money for the HDD fan I had just found but he refused to borrow and he thinks it's almost never worthwhile to buy accessories or drives for used computers and he doesn't realize I will never afford a new computer.
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My pagefile is currently 10.7GB. Will 8GB RAM be enough in a new laptop (8GB is what I currently have)?:
Keith Larson said:Yes. My bad GB.
As I said 8GB will be noticeably faster, even if you are not running lots of programs. Given your scenario 8 GB if not 16 GB would be in order:
Unix said:Keith, by 2MB, 4MB, 8MB and 16MB memory You are referring to GB of RAM, right?
Will the below Samsung quad-core be worth the price difference and be a lot better at running discussions in Chrome tabs or Logos and Accordance (to better focus I should not do as much discussing on forums and looking up books on the web at the same time that I'm for example trying to learn Koiné Greek), or should I buy no new computer and swap/buy to get a maximum amount of Accordance language resources, Accordance Collections and Accordance Editions of commentaries that I have such as Hermeneia, and I would swap so I would give the user my Logos Edition Hermeneia/Continental?
How much lower do You think the price for the Samsung quad-core could go if it's still on sale and I start negotiating with the seller, You think?:Unix said:EDIT: Here an example of an OK dual core laptop, with specs: http://www.blocket.se/stockholm/Dell_Latitude_3330_Core_i5_128GB_SSD_harddisk_54339938.htm?ca=11&w=2 Ad price $407. If I would buy it, which I won't, I would not afford very many Accordance books but maybe enough, I'll negotiate with the person with the Accordance books. EDIT3: verdict: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/laptop/3452968/dell-latitude-3330-review/?tab=verdictTab#top
EDIT2: here's how much a quad core laptop costs, with specs: http://www.blocket.se/uppsala/Samsung_i_toppskick___AMD_Quad__8GB_RAM__1TB_53572397.htm?ca=11&w=2 $528. That's definitely more than I can afford, but the ad is very old so perhaps the price can be negotiated if it's not sold.
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Unix,
What is your current budget for a laptop (desktop)? How much are you able to spend this month without going into debt? I think there are more appropriate websites out there to ask questions regarding CPU L2/L3 cache, Intel vs AMD CPU, chipsets, memory, battery charge efficiency, hard drive configurations (RAID-1, RAID-0, RAID-10) and so on. Google your questions. You may already know these popular sites:
I'm sure some or all of your hardware questions can be answered on these sites. Regarding what hardware to use for Logos and Accordance. Well, what issues are you having with your current computer hardware? Have you seen the recommended computer specs from Logos? This is from http://www.logos.com/product/24549/diamond
- Intel i5 Processor (or AMD equivalent)
- 6GB+ RAM
- Windows 8
- DVD-ROM drive (only required for non-downloadable items)
- 1280X1024 display
- 1GB+ DirectX11 Compatible Video Card
- 30GB Free Space - Internal HDD/SSD Only
Unix said:It's about how long I will be able to use the laptop. Things that can't be replaced afterwards are what matter the most.
From your other post, I'd say that the life span of your computer depends on how you take care of it. Some brands are better known for quality than others. I have been using the same laptop (an old Lenovo IBM Thinkpad) for 7 years and it runs Logos just fine, albeit it's slow and below the recommended specs.
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Depends $0-400-500:
DBailey said:What is your current budget for a laptop?
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If You Really have $400-$500 to spend there are hundreds of possibilities. The first zero in your budget is troubling. Having zero to spend will seriously limit your choices. One could assume that you would be expecting someone else to finance your venture. How is your Father?, By the way.Unix said:Depends $0-400-500:
DBailey said:What is your current budget for a laptop?
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He is able to stretch the funds he doesn't have. He is somehow able to buy equipment and software for his girlfriend. While not on par with feeding the multitudes or turning water into wine, Making something from nothing could be viewed as a modern day miracle. [:D]
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No there are not after the shipping around the globe and VAT when new:
Schezic said:If You Really have $400-$500 to spend there are hundreds of possibilities.
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No there are not after the shipping around the globe and VAT when new
You probably have mentioned it somewhere, but which European country do you live in? Are there computer stores in your area? Perhaps what you need more than a new computer is a computer store in your town or city so that you (and other folks who are looking at new computers) don't have to pay international shipping?
I wish you and your father good health more than anything else.
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UMMMM I doubt having a local computer store down the block is going to improve his father's health. [:P]DBailey said:Perhaps what you need more than a new computer is a computer store in your town or city so that you (and other folks who are looking at new computers) don't have to pay international shipping?
I wish you and your father good health more than anything else.
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Ralph, no I don't have a girlfriend, see: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/85648/600823.aspx#600823 in the General subforum:
Ralph Hale said:He is somehow able to buy equipment and software for his girlfriend.
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You are aware that computers and parts cost a lot in the U.K.? I don't live in the U.K. but the VAT is even higher here. I don't know of any country with higher VAT, 25%, it affects prices for used computers and parts also. No parts are made here locally, when new everything has to be shipped from Taiwan to the U.S., and from there to Europe, which means about 20,000 miles or more by ship:
DBailey said:You probably have mentioned it somewhere, but which European country do you live in? Are there computer stores in your area? Perhaps what you need more than a new computer is a computer store in your town or city so that you (and other folks who are looking at new computers) don't have to pay international shipping?
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I generally recommend that people by a new computer from a well known brand with known support capabilities ... HP, Dell, Toshiba, Apple, etc. It's certainly true that you can find systems from competent resellers that have better specs for a variety of individual components. But my general advice is to stick with the major brands and buy a pre-configured product that meets the recommended requirements for the software you are using. Not the minimum, but the recommended.
I think replies here do a great job of pointing to what that may look like. For Logos, you have than information here. You are right to ask questions about the specifics of the detail technical specs, but don't get too bogged down in those. I would suggest that we are looking for reasonable performance at a reasonable price. It would be easy to get paralyzed by over-engineering the decision. I've been there myself.
Reading through all your posts I would say a couple of things:
- If you bought a computer in 2013 that is equipped with 2013 technology and you are having problems something is not right. Almost any laptop (not all) built in 2013 should be capable of running Logos adequately. I have a lower end HP laptop with integrated graphics and 4GB RAM with a standard 5400 RPM hard drive and Logos works just fine. $500. Some are doing it with less, But I think that is a reasonable starting point with a reasonable life span of 4-5 years, give or take.
- If you have a $500 USD limit on your overall budget and there is a 25% VAT where you live, you are limited more on your choices. Effectively, you only have a $375 USD budget and that does not bode well for a "middle of the road" purchase. In this case, you may want to consider limping along with what you have and work your way up to an $800 USD balance to start. That will get you into a $600 USD laptop which should work out much better in the long run. It may take a little longer to get up to that amount.
Hope that helps, Unix. Good luck!
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Thanks Steve! Probably You didn't read my latest reply in the "General" subforum. To tell You what I wrote there I said it's from the Winter 2011/2012. I bought it used. There's no errors other than perhaps that it's sometimes a bit fragmented. Last time it was installed from scratch was January 2014 and there's Kaspersky antivirus. I should run Malwarebytes actively searching too but I tried out and the whole computer went really slow so I didn't pay for that for it. Speaking of which - might be an addition reason to get quad core (although an i5 quad core would be better). Would hate having to re-install new computer, not that it's any hard to do by myself:
Steve said:- If you bought a computer in 2013 that is equipped with 2013 technology and you are having problems something is not right. Almost any laptop (not all) built in 2013 should be capable of running Logos adequately. I have a lower end HP laptop with integrated graphics and 4GB RAM with a standard 5400 RPM hard drive and Logos works just fine. $500.
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What do You think about the older quad core in the ad?
Here is a list of CPU's starting from high end to lower. http://www.cpubenchmark.net/
Find which one is the most suitable to you and your $$$. I always check performance before buying anything
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Thanks, Wild Eagle.
"For the same price on a somewhat nearby island to which You go by ferry to take a vacation there's a used laptop like this one for sale, notice quad core"Unix said:EDIT2: And no it is not as simple as just to look at the price, for example there a 449 laptop over with 1.3GHz Core 2 Duo. For the same price on a somewhat nearby island to which You go by ferry to take a vacation there's a used laptop like this one for sale, notice quad core and 1600x900 pixel monitor: http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?e=1670057 - what do You think of it, btw? The CPU in it is approximately like this one: http://processors.findthebest.co.uk/l/1072/AMD-A6-3600. How do You think it would compare to: http://www.blocket.se/uppsala/Samsung_i_toppskick___AMD_Quad__8GB_RAM__1TB_53572397.htm?ca=11&w=2 which is in the same price range? Do You think these CPU:s are better than Intel i5 450M which is a dual core from 2010?: http://processors.findthebest.co.uk/l/35/Intel-i5-450M.
... I looked that up that one, the Samsung 355E7C-S03SE in the www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?e=1670057 link, it's dual core. 2 logical cores per physical. Sorry.
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Unix said:
Thanks Steve! Probably You didn't read my latest reply in the "General" subforum.
You're welcome. No, I'm sorry I did not see that other post. I can't really comment on used computers or those that are custom assemblies. I'm sure there are many fine used and custom built laptops. I just know about them.
Unix said:What do You think about the older quad core in the ad?
Again, just a general comment here ... I'm inclined to choose the Intel processors over the AMD ones. It's what I have in my desktop and my laptop. There is nothing wrong with the AMD processors and there is certainly some cost advantages. I just prefer the Intel processor. There are so many variations of same models that you need to be a little careful. The ad doesn't really say specifically what the AMD quad-core model is. Thanks to the other poster I was able to track it down.
In this case, according to Notebook Check the AMD quad-core (A8-4500M) is in position #298 where the Intel i5 is at position #160. Reading across you can see that the Intel processor has better benchmark scores. Even though it has only 2 cores it can process 4 threads. In this case the AMD quad-core does not give you anything better in processing power. What you get with the AMD is a less expensive processor with a quad-core moniker.
My personal preference would be the Intel processor. You may feel differently,
Hope that helps.
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