Most of the time I want to suggest a book in Logos, it's too late. I need the book now. So I'm going to post in this thread every time I purchase a non-Logos book, in the hope that it will help Logos know what sort of books Logos users buy outside the Logos ecosystem.
Today it was two books by Ed Welch
And a few weeks ago it was:
I expect this thread could get very long very fast...there's just no way Logos can keep up with all of the requests people have, even cranking out 10,000 books a year (which seems like a bit of wishful overreach to me--but by all means, give it a try). Only those few things with very broad appeal will be able to skate through the CP or PrePub process in short enough order to satisfy many folks' need for immediate gratification.
Many of the things I want may never see CP or PrePub, much less make it into production. [:(]
Disappointment and I have become good friends. [{][U][}]
Maybe you could also start a thread that reads: "Logos, you just gained a sale"? It would be for those books that Logos has come out before other publishings.
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Most of the time I want to suggest a book in Logos, it's too late. I need the book now. So I'm going to post in this thread every time I purchase a non-Logos book, in the hope that it will help Logos know what sort of books Logos users buy outside the Logos ecosystem. Today it was two books by Ed Welch Addictions — A Banquet in the Grave: Finding Hope in the Power of the Gospel (P&R) Crossroads Facilitators Guide: A Step-By-Step Guide Away From Addiction (New Growth Press) And a few weeks ago it was: Encounters with Jesus: Unexpected Answers to Life’s Biggest Questions by Tim Keller (Penguin)
Good idea. Here are some I could have bought in Logos instead:
It is naïve to even think that Logos will/can provide all of the resources that one may want/need. To rely solely on Logos for contemporary needs is folly.
I currently have digital resources from public domain, my denomination, Kindle, blogs, my notes, internet, etc. that are close to or exceed in number those I have in Logos.(5889 resources) Many or most will probably never be available in Logos outside of a PB..
Wise discernment and a personal management of available resources is the best course of action. As good as Logos is, it is not the be all end all for an individual's personal needs.
Robert
So I'm going to post in this thread every time I purchase a non-Logos book,
This reminds me of the MAD magazine cover that says "Buy this magazine or we will shoot this puppy." I really doubt it results in Logos publishing a single book that they had not already planned on. This thread will become nothing more than a bunch of links to Amazon.
But have at it, if it makes you happy.
I'm suspecting someone hacked Mark's account, and wanted to know how many Logos bees he could attract.
I think Mark's idea is good; when I was in retail we used to visit our competitors to see what our customers were buying (and visa versa as well).
Maybe Logos product managers could stand outside the Amazon site and watch for any Logosians.
Good idea. Here are some I could have bought in Logos instead: Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist: Unlocking the Secrets of the Last Supper (Image) The Jewish Gospels (New Press) Hebrew Thought Compared with Greek (W. W. Norton & Company) Back To The Sources (Simon & Schuster)
I will buy all of these if they are offered by Logos...I especially would like to see the third one offered along with James Barr's Semantics of Biblical Language, with which it is adversely related. At some point, yeah, I may end up getting the first one in print if Logos doesn't acquire it first. I'll need it to establish what a bad argument for a correct practice looks like for my book on the Passover.
While you're at it, Logos, get this other book by Pitre also, please.
I had been thinking that Logos should ask us what was in our library - or add a library function to Logos so that they could gather the information. It provides a way to prioritize their work. So Mark, I'll cooperate - at the moment I'll leave out logic and linguistics.
Good idea. Here are some I could have bought in Logos instead: Take and Read: Spiritual Reading: An Annotated List (Eerdmans) On Heaven and Earth (Bloomsbury Continuum) Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist: Unlocking the Secrets of the Last Supper (Image) The Jewish Gospels (New Press) Hebrew Thought Compared with Greek (W. W. Norton & Company) Back To The Sources (Simon & Schuster) Lovely Like Jerusalem (Ignatius) The Lord (Gateway) The Holy Land: An Oxford Archaeological Guide (OUP) Walking the Bible (HarperCollins) Fidelity Without Fundamentalism (DLT)
I'm interested in these as well.
On a related note, my biggest disappointment with the Knox/Logos DMin program is the number of books I have had to purchase outside my library. The least Logos could do is request a list of all the required textbooks and attempt to get them into production. For example for a course I am taking in July, I will be purchasing both from Amazon. Lost sale Logos!
Granted the Greidanus volume is in Pre-pub, but who know when it will be done? I have to have this book by July 7th.
I think that Logos should take look at what Apple does with the MacPro. Sure it probably makes up less than 1% of their sales, they may even lose money on it, but the people who purchase it are influential and fuel the sales of all the consumer products that are Apple’s bread and butter.
There is already a thread about the NA28 apparatus, but the same principle applies. If the NA apparatus is delayed too long Logos begins to lose credibility.
I am sure Logos would like to be able to accommodate everyone's desires. They would surely like to have (and sell) what we all want and need. Nevertheless, we all know it is not possible to provide for all. They want to sell resources- so keep making suggestions with patience and gentleness.
BTW, I purchased these Kindle books over the last couple of months.
The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus by Gary R. Habermans and Michael R. Licona.
Reinventing Jesus, How Contemporary Skeptics Miss The Real Jesus and Mislead Popular Culture. by J. Ed Komoszewski, M. James Sawyer, Daniel B. Wallace
Is Jesus the Only Savior? by Ronald H. Nash
On Guard, Defending Your Faith with Reason and Precision. by William Lane Craig
The Story of Christianity Vol. 1 and 2 by Justo Gonzalez
You will find that if fgh recommends it it should be on your list of items to consider.
I just purchased Faithful Persuasion by David S. Cunningham.
And Amazon gave me Justin S. Holcomb's Know The Creeds and Councils.
Recent Kindle purchases, in the past month or so:
I used to not be willing to buy any theological books in Kindle, as I wanted to wait for them to come out in Logos format. Then I started caving in once in a blue moon. The trickle has become a wide river.
I think they are losing hundreds if not thousands of sales by not discounting Zondervan's overpriced Illustrated Series
https://www.logos.com/product/20158/zondervan-illustrated-bible-backgrounds-commentary-new-testament-and-old-testament
but everyone in here knows that already [:P]
on another note, I chose not to wait when Logos/publishers unbundle a collection and bought Women in the Church: An Analysis and Application of 1 Timothy 2:9-15 when it was on sale for 3.82
This is the case with me as well. I recently caved and purchased The Sacred Bridge from Accordance, which also forced me to buy the most basic base package. This then prompted me to purchase their atlas add-in, which I have really enjoyed using. If their had been any communication concerning the Carta material, then I would have waited. Now I like the way Accordance does mapping, so I might continue using it for map/atlas resources.
I also find myself purchasing way more Kindle resources than I wish was necessary.
I would add that I don't have a problem with the fact that Logos doesn't offer all titles; it's the fact that I have no idea whether or not they are working to get suggested resources, or if they are close to production on some. For instance, the OTL/NTL sets were something that I had given up on Logos having, when they suddenly popped up on Pre-pub. I know Bob has addressed this, but I still think communication could be better.
I think they are losing hundreds if not thousands of sales by not discounting Zondervan's overpriced Illustrated Series https://www.logos.com/product/20158/zondervan-illustrated-bible-backgrounds-commentary-new-testament-and-old-testament but everyone in here knows that already
but everyone in here knows that already
Pricing definitely is an issue. I think most Logos customers understand the need for Logos to charge more for heavily tagged products such a lexicons and commentaries, but when the only hyperlinks are bible references and end notes is hard to justify the higher price. Vyrso has been a step in the right direction, but even here Logos has been moving more and more resources out of Vyrso into Logos and charging premium prices for essential the same product. One of the consequences of this is Logos can no longer respond and match Amazon's price when publishers are running specials. The Zondervan the following books on sale through the 21st for only $3.99 per volume, as the link below so Logos is far from competitive.
https://www.logos.com/product/5439/how-to-read-the-bible-book-by-book
https://www.logos.com/product/5421/how-to-read-the-bible-for-all-its-worth
https://www.logos.com/product/26711/how-to-read-the-bible-through-the-jesus-lens-a-guide-to-christ-focused-reading-of-scripture
https://www.logos.com/product/17263/is-there-a-meaning-in-this-text
https://www.logos.com/product/26709/the-bible-among-the-myths-unique-revelation-or-just-ancient-literature
https://www.logos.com/product/16627/four-views-on-moving-beyond-the-bible-to-theology
https://www.logos.com/product/26706/three-views-on-the-new-testament-use-of-the-old-testament
https://www.logos.com/product/17262/introduction-to-biblical-hermeneutics
https://www.logos.com/product/5445/rick-warrens-bible-study-methods
https://www.logos.com/product/26710/the-blue-parakeet-rethinking-how-you-read-the-bible
Other than the hyperlinked scripture references these books offer no advantage over the Kindle versions.
I would like to have Logos combine all their resources in one site and visually highlight their premium eBooks like lexicons and treat everything else just like run of the mill eBooks, which is what they are! Pretending as if these eBooks are somehow different or better just isn't working anymore.
I think Logos has their hands tied on what they can charge on Zondervan resources. My Sales Rep tells me he is not allowed to discount them.
I think they are losing hundreds if not thousands of sales by not discounting Zondervan's overpriced Illustrated Series I think Logos has their hands tied on what they can charge on Zondervan resources. My Sales Rep tells me he is not allowed to discount them.
That's fine. Zondervan doesn't offer much that I want anyway.
Pretending as if these eBooks are somehow different or better just isn't working anymore.
They are not pretending. Vyrso books are different and better in one respect. Vyrso books integrate with your Logos library. Kindle, PDF and eBooks do not. Having the ability to include those titles in Logos searches has to be worth something. If it were not you would not be campaigning for price matching.
I venture an opinion: the title doesn't sound very right. It's almost as if Logos did something wrong.
We all have books that we'd like Logos to carry, at a price we can accept. But is it always possible?
Top of the day to you, George! I have enough Zondervan resources for the both of us. [H]
I can't afford to buy every different e-reader/mobile device that the market wants me to. Publishers have worked for their own interest rather than the customer's by dividing up the e-reader market into incompatible segments rather than forming a common committee to define one core standard that all devices comply to (yet allowing for device-specific enhancements) like other industries have done.
I would like to have the more prose books (those that are not highly versified) available in Kindle. If I already own it in Logos, I'd be willing to pay a small fee for a Kindle-formatted version. Copying and pasting into Word then converting to Kindle is a work-around but then it lacks good format, indexing and navigation. They could also sell it at a higher price as just a plain Kindle book for non-Logos users.
Related to this topic, I ended up with this in hard copy
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0830829326/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3HT6UGH4467M3&coliid=I3STYQBPPCOTCT
because to get it in Logos I would have had to buy this
https://www.logos.com/product/9681/ivp-new-testament-studies-collection
Then there was this
http://www.amazon.com/Hebrews-Understanding-Commentary-Donald-Hagner-ebook/dp/B005XP0YY4/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1404749016&sr=1-2&keywords=hagner+hebrews
Or this
https://www.logos.com/product/5123/understanding-the-bible-commentary-series-new-testament#014
I know, a familiar complaint. But, maybe it may help. Maybe not. My two cents.
Pretending as if these eBooks are somehow different or better just isn't working anymore. They are not pretending. Vyrso books are different and better in one respect. Vyrso books integrate with your Logos library. Kindle, PDF and eBooks do not. Having the ability to include those titles in Logos searches has to be worth something. If it were not you would not be campaigning for price matching.
Have no problem with the Vyrso books. Logos does a good job price matching Vyrso titles. The problem begins when Vyrso books are "upgraded" to Logos and their price is two to three times higher for essentially the same product and they are no longer price matched. This just does not make sense from the consumer's point of view.
Logos loses many users I am sure from shear price. Accordance offers a $50 starter package that includes:
Bible in Basic EnglishDouay-Rheims BibleEnglish Standard Version with Strong'sKing James Version ApocryphaKing James Version with Strong'sWorld English BibleOutlines of the Bible BooksESV Cross References and NotesMatthew Henry's Commentary (Condensed)New Bible CommentaryEaston's Bible DictionaryEerdmans Dictionary of the Bible (2001)Bible Names DictionaryNave's Topical BibleWebster's 1913 Unabridged English DictionaryParables and MiraclesChronological ReadingsDevotional ReadingsEpistles Parallel (not for iOS)Gospel Synopsis Parallel (not for iOS)Gospel Harmony Parallel (not for iOS)Old Testament Parallel (not for iOS)Old Testament in New Testament Parallel (not for iOS)Q (Sayings) Parallel (not for iOS)Synoptic Gospels Parallel (not for iOS)Greek New Testament (Textus Receptus) with Strong'sStrong's Greek DictionaryMounce Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the New TestamentStrong's Hebrew DictionaryKohlenberger/Mounce Concise Hebrew-Aramaic DictionaryFrench: Nouvelle Edition de Geneve 1979Italian: Nuova Riveduta 1994Spanish 1909 Reina Valera with Strong's numbersGerman Schlachter
Logos has it's start packages starting in $250 range if I remember correctly.
-Dan
Logos loses many users I am sure from shear price. Accordance offers a $50 starter package... Logos has it's start packages starting in $250 range if I remember correctly.
Logos loses many users I am sure from shear price. Accordance offers a $50 starter package...
Now, this is a huge shortcoming of Logos, IMO. Especially for people who are first introduced to Logos through the mobile apps (like I was). There really should be an affordable desktop/mobile kit for the small church teacher/family who is used to studying at home with a Strong's concordance, Vine's dictionary, NIV Atlas, and Matthew Henry Commentary.
https://logosmobile.uservoice.com/forums/190765-logos-mobile-apps/suggestions/3708550-introduce-a-base-package-for-mobile-users
Wow, Dan! I didn't know I had all that stuff. I never downloaded it (Libby'd be pretty unhappy with a competing high-speed Bible package; molassas is OK).
Probably we better get back to all the books we purchase not from Logos. I suppose I should spill the beans with my Kindle library. Oh my.
EDIT: Well, ok. Now I see why I didn't download it.
It might be more productive to use Logos' own suggested method and send an email to suggest@logos.com
The New Oxford Annotated Bible with Apocrypha, The New Jerome Biblical Commentary, and Reading the Bible: A Study Guide by Timothy Carmody are some of the ones I've bought in hard copy lately. The NJBC I would probably buy in Logos anyway if it showed up later on.
For me today, it was Hans Urs von Balthasar's Prayer.
God is a Warrior by Temper Longman III
This is one of the Zondervan books currently on sale. Too bad Logos does not carry it.
Description:
God Is a Warrior traces the development of the "divine warrior" motif through the Old and New Testaments, beginning with Israel's conflicts with her enemies and ending with Christ's victorious return in Revelation. Against the broader background of Ancient Near Eastern warrior mythology, Part I discusses Yahweh's warfare on behalf of ancient Israel, and prophecies of the coming Divine Deliverer. Part II looks at the New Testament's Divine Warrior, Jesus Christ, and his war against his spiritual enemies in the Synoptic Gospels, in Paul's letters, and in the final apocalyptic battle in the book of Revelation.
What's Best Next by Matt Perman - this is a book on personal effectiveness and organisation based in theology rather than techniques and software. Logos missed the launch (which would probably have generated quite a few sales). I bought it in Kindle. It's a very good complement to Kevin DeYoung's Crazy Busy, which is available in Vyrso. Probably the only book I've come across on the subject that is theologically based. I suspect this will soon become a standard book on MDiv courses.
This book really ought to be in Vyrso.
I agree. I did exactly the same thing.
Studies in the Sermon on the Mount by Martyn Lloyd Jones.
I agree this is a good idea that could be helpful to Logos. They need to be aware of what we need, and what we are buying. They know what they are selling to us already, but they don't know the sales that they are missing.
However, I do not want to advertise for other publishers. So I will not put a link or tell where I purchased a book. Anyone can find the book through Google. But I don't feel right posting an advertisement for someone else on Logos' forum.
I think what we need is about 2500 new religions and another Bible translation, something ridiculous, you know, like the new one just out ... what is that one called -------- OH YES, The Living Log Translation, I mean The Living Tree Translation. That's it!!! Definitely!!!
Now where was I --- oh, now I remember --- I was knitting my next toaster out of steel wool.
Today it was Water from a Deep Well: Christian Spirituality from Early Martyrs to Modern Missionaries by Gerald L. Sittser
My latest Kindle purchase that I would have preferred to get in Logos was:
Dissonant Pieties: John Calvin and the Prayer Psalms of the Psalter by Paul A. Riemann (Wipf & Stock, 2013)
Lack of What's New on Christmas Collection product pages plus slow response by Logos Sales = no sale purchases.
Keep Smiling [:)]
This being 2015 ... personally I think it's not too good to mention that one has bought this or that from another electronic vendor. Couldn't we make suggestions, just suggestions? If so, can we move on from the premise of this thread?
A blessed 2015 to everyone! [<:o)]
Lee, I don't see it in quite the same light you do. I would think it useful for Logos to know what their users are buying as an effective way to plan for products that may shift the direction or balance of their acquisitions. I list things I think would quickly get out of pre-pub or community pricing as suggestions. Here I list things I've actually purchased because I need it now ... without thinking if other would be interested.
The problem is probably that the sample size of the thread is too small to be statistically significant. But as it is in the Suggestion forum it ought to be as effective as a series of threads.
Lee, if you intend to continue in this vein, you will need this.
I agree, but it is an interesting point. Every dollar spent through Logos is taken away from Amazon (which I'm happy about because it's clear to me that Faithlife is a much more ethical employer than Amazon). I'm surprised that publishers aren't more eager to work with companies such as Logos because they may be able to get obtain deals on their books.
In my view, the way to have Logos publish more books is for authors/publishers to think about Logos when writing/publishing and to even push for their manuscripts to be available in Logos before Amazon. For that to happen, all major seminaries/bible colleges/theology faculties etc. would need to buy into Logos, rather than a competitor, and so it would become a default go-to place.
I enjoy finding out what folks are reading.
Sources and Contexts of the Book of Concord
Already suggested through other channels, but worth adding to this thread.
Finally cracked and bought the paper copy of James Denney: An intellectual and contextual biography as it somehow didn't make it into Logos with the rest of the series.
Mark,
Do you or anyone knows what it cost (the process, time, and the procedure) Faithlife to make a book available to its customers?
