Here's a screenshot from my facebook...Bob's droppin hints again about the next generation (or perhaps just a better mobile app) of our favorite software.
This is very good news. Thank you for sharing.
I dislike Logos 4 so much that I actually got a full refund for the minimal crossgrade. I'm using Logos 3 and just not buying any new resources.
If Logos goes cloud, then I'll take another look at what they have to offer. My Christmas present to myself was to ditch Logos 4 and I'm so happy that I did so. Hopefully they'll come up with something that I can use in the future.
Mike
Here's a screenshot from my facebook...Bob's droppin hints again about the next generation (or perhaps just a better mobile app) of our favorite
This is cool. L4 was several years in the making though, so I'm not going to think about it too hard! [;)] Actually, it will be so cool to see the Mac version settle down after a year since 1.0 was released.
That's unfortunate. Even if just for the extra resources at a great discount, you should have upgraded. How long did you use L4 for? The near-unanimous sentiment among long-time daily users of the app is that we hated it at first, then started to get ok with it, and then we can't go back to the old way (except for those features that aren't currently supported.
What made you dislike it (and feel it was unusable)?
If Logos goes cloud, then I'll take another look at what they have to offer
am I missing something?? arent we using cloud already
IMO too early to read as v5, however sounds like 4.x could be interesting.
server does all the work and your terminal just views it
Sounds to me like we've discovered the mainframe with smart terminals all over again...
[;)]
These things run in round abouts. Back in the late nineties, "thin clients" were the rage in network computing. I think what we are going to see however, it a continued blurred line between what is done at the client with local processing power and what is done through central processing power. Bob has alluded to this already in several of his posts.
My chief concern is that as we are endeavouring to push the Gospel to every tribe, tongue and nation, that we do not rely too much on cloud computing until the digital divide is removed. There are way too many places where pastors, missionaries and Christians are living that connectivity is such an issue. It is in these locations that access to any seminary type resources is non-existent, which is what the gift of Logos is. Yet, if we rely on connectivity, we take that gift away. It's a tough balance. We need and we should embrace emerging technologies now where we can, but we somehow need to keep reaching out to those less fortunate.
Sounds to me like we've discovered the mainframe with smart terminals all over again... My chief concern is that as we are endeavouring to push the Gospel to every tribe, tongue and nation, that we do not rely too much on cloud computing until the digital divide is removed. There are way too many places where pastors, missionaries and Christians are living that connectivity is such an issue. It is in these locations that access to any seminary type resources is non-existent, which is what the gift of Logos is. Yet, if we rely on connectivity, we take that gift away. It's a tough balance. We need and we should embrace emerging technologies now where we can, but we somehow need to keep reaching out to those less fortunate.
Just want to be able to work without being tethered to the internet.
Lynden,
Please understand that I'm not coming down on you or anything, I'm trying to understand this sentence.
What EXACTLY in your work-flow in Logos will not work when you're "not near a hotspot"? In other words....yes...I know that "updating" won't work, and the homepage won't refresh, but since Bob P mentioned that Logos will function just fine for "weeks on end" while NOT connected to the internet...a statement like yours causes me to wonder where the disconnect is?
Again...not trying to start a fight or dissing you....just wondering.... [:D]
Very true. This is most exemplified by the fact that there are entire nations that have their internet censored, including blocking Logos' servers...
I would hope that the eventual solution will be an "either - or" choice. Which includes full functionality without having to be tied to the internet.
I fear that if this is not insured, other companies may "pick up the ball".
Guys,
I thought that Bob made it clear that Logos plans on sending quarterly DVD updates (forgot where I read this but it was within the last day or two). That is a TON of updates. I don't know the logistics, but that certainly seems MUCH more aggressive in updating than was ever done in 3.0x. Thus, the internet doesn't seem necessary for those with connection road blocks.
My question, therefore, is what is the concern...knowing, at the very least, I have a working Logos - even if not updated to the most recent update? 1) I can create an image of my drive with my Logos content ready for recovery should my PC crash 2) Logos' has redundant servers that theoretically will not go down before my PC crashing. Please help me understand as I have brethren I have labored with living on the "fringe" (they just had electricity and since installed a cell tower!) in the Amazon (in/near Huambuno, Ecuador) who use Logos and would love for them to use Logos 4 at some point (one of them uses Logos 3). In their cases humidity is the utmost concern - not connectivity.
A subscription quarterly update is brilliant. What I was writing about is cloud type computing which is heavily dependent on high speed 24/7 access. Somehow we need to straddle these two worlds on each side of the digital divide. Bob has indicated this is Logos' intention, which I really applaud.
My only concern is when the word "interchangeability" is used, past experience makes me think "thin client".
But perhaps the next generation of Logos will be the best of both worlds.
Or perhaps the connection to the Logos servers will come through a free, and secure satellite connection [:D]
Just want to be able to work without being tethered to the internet. Lynden, Please understand that I'm not coming down on you or anything, I'm trying to understand this sentence. What EXACTLY in your work-flow in Logos will not work when you're "not near a hotspot"? In other words....yes...I know that "updating" won't work, and the homepage won't refresh, but since Bob P mentioned that Logos will function just fine for "weeks on end" while NOT connected to the internet...a statement like yours causes me to wonder where the disconnect is? Again...not trying to start a fight or dissing you....just wondering....
Again...not trying to start a fight or dissing you....just wondering....
Im just hoping Logos5 does not make me need to be constantly wired to the net. Of course you are not trying to start a fight. All the snow down there in WV would cause you to loose anyway. [:D]
Donovan,
Okay, I'm somewhat familiar with cloud computing - I certainly haven't thought through the ramifications in various conditions. I guess I equate with say, like, my Gmail. I only get it via online, BUT if I need I can use it in a more traditional (download to Outlook whenever I set the application to work this way). Wouldn't Logos have a parallel ability knowing the logistics of world-wide users?
Thanks for helping me to better understand.
Im just hoping Logos5 does not make me need to be constantly wired to the net. Of course you are not trying to start a fight. All the snow down there in WV would cause you to loose anyway.
I think I misunderstood what you had written...sorry...my question was a dumb one.
PS: if a wet package arrives on your door step next week , it's a box of snow from me!
These things run in round abouts.
Yep. Each time the flock runs toward the centralized cloud, we rediscover the reasons that drove us to decentralized computing in the 1st place.
My chief concern is that as we are endeavouring to push the Gospel to every tribe, tongue and nation, that we do not rely too much on cloud computing
Yep. And it isn't just every tribe & nation, as if it's only in the remote hinterlands that we'd find connectivity to be an issue. Without high speed internet at our church (our small church--and many like us--just can't afford it), & without a dial-up modem on my laptop (when ordered, I thought I was past the point of EVER being without high speed internet), I'm ALWAYS in an internet outage at work. Yet, to be available to those I pastor, I NEED to spend significant amounts of time in the church office. Even in a relatively urban area of Idaho (60k+, & 31 mi from Spokane, a city of 250k+), we can't count on the cloud. It isn't that I won't--I CAN'T commit to any software (bible or otherwise) that requires full time access to a server (cloud) to be functional = for me to be productive.
Go ahead with cloud computing, but let me have full functionality on my harddrive. I will make the sacrifice to not have some services like "audiosermons.com" and others web based services. Just want to be able to work without being tethered to the internet.
[Y] +1
What EXACTLY in your work-flow in Logos will not work when you're "not near a hotspot"?
Think L4 on a smartphone. When not connected, no access...
If that's the vision for the next step into the future, I've gone as far as I can. [:)]
perhaps the next generation of Logos will be the best of both worlds.
