Master Journal Bundle (1001 vols.) No Dynamic Pricing

but some of these have exclusive agreements

Those are the words we don't want to hear but were afraid we would hear. For the sake of full disclosure and to allow your customers to make informed decisions, would you tell us which journals have exclusive agreements?

This Theological Collection and the TJL update are two pretty weak offerings. They'd have to be very inexpensive or beefed up considerably both in breadth and depth.

Even with your effort to repackage the ones you have available, I have to say Logos' killing of the TJL is looking very bad after you've had almost 2 years to work on replacing it. A little bit more information might put our minds at ease or help us make an informed decision.

This Theological Collection and the TJL update are two pretty weak offerings. They'd have to be very inexpensive or beefed up considerably both in breadth and depth.

There is something additional to consider in all this.  The price.  

I have long recognized the value (content) and value (price) of the TJL bundles.  For about $50 every year I got a powerful update to my journal collection.  To be honest, that is hitting the top of what I budget for this now.  These days my budget is immovable.

Putting many/any of these bundles of journals above that price point is going to eliminate me. I know I'm only one, and I'm not asking for favors, I just hope to see something I am willing to afford.

I am not interested in these very old journals. I'd prefer these be bundled separately as journals of historical interest. I don't think this collection should have any historical journals or journals that are no longer being published.

What about Bibsac, which covers the same time period up through the present? Should we also remove everything prior to, say, 1970?

The difficult thing is that some people do want older journals as well. It's challenging to build collections that have only the things that each individual customer is interested in. There's got to be a compromise somewhere. You either purchase the journals you want individually, or you purchase a collection that has some things you're not interested it, but at a better value. Sounds like the TJL Upgrade Bundle plus a few individuals might be the best fit for your needs.

My BibSac volumes start at Vol. 91, in 1934. WTJ starts in 1938. JETS in 1958. I doubt I access any of the earlier volumes of these three.

I would not remove older content already included in the old TJL.

I would set a dividing line for new material. 1970 sounds about right. If a new journal only goes back to 1960 or so, include all of it. If a journal has a long history, offer the volumes before 1970 separately. Those who then want to pay for old volumes will have a chance to do so.

I for one do want older journals...just this past month there have been 2-3 times that  I have researched a passage from Matthew and the "main article" that everyone else cited in my Logos commentaries was from an earlier year. This was concerning a Biblical study.

Then if f the subject is archaeology, the early years are crucial to have, as often the latter years build on what was previously said OR certain places have been "off-limits" to archaeology and thus the earlier articles are ALL that we have access to concerning certain sites.

I for one do want older journals...just this past month there have been 2-3 times that  I have researched a passage from Matthew and the "main article" that everyone else cited in my Logos commentaries was from an earlier year. This was concerning a Biblical study.

Then if f the subject is archaeology, the early years are crucial to have, as often the latter years build on what was previously said OR certain places have been "off-limits" to archaeology and thus the earlier articles are ALL that we have access to concerning certain sites.

There are articles of real value in the older journals. However it is also true that much that first appeared in a journal that was of value has been incorporated in later publications.

My comments about older resources should be confined to the collection about which I was speaking. For the Academic Collection, I'd think users would probably want all the journals available.

but some of these have exclusive agreements

Does this include any in the old TJLs?
And if so are these going to remain permanently/indefinitely unavailable in Logos now that TJL 1-15 have been pulled?

Phil, I have not followed the entire thread, and this may have been reocmmended.

1. Break the collections up into smaller size bites.

• Small
• Medium Size
• Large
• Mega
• With dynamic pricing of course.

What is the difference between peer-reviewed and peer-dependant?   [:)]

Remember Rehoboam?

I don't know if others have any interest but I would love to see the peer-reviewed Philosophia Christi from the Evangelical Philosophical Society added to the bundle.

I am going to recommend something maybe a bit ambitious.... if you are having a hard time with licensing issues you can always bypass that process and start having Faithlife journals. I recommend these categories/journals

1. OT Studies

2. NT Studies

3. Pastoral Studies 

4. Theological studies 

But on the other hand, this early listing [w/ all its faults] does generate interest from a business perspective and allows for some interaction with users which CAN mean a better final offering for all of us. Win-Win ?

But on the other hand, this early listing [w/ all its faults] does generate interest from a business perspective and allows for some interaction with users which CAN mean a better final offering for all of us. Win-Win ?

Maybe this apparent gaffe was very strategic and intentional.

I don't know if others have any interest but I would love to see the peer-reviewed Philosophia Christi from the Evangelical Philosophical Society added to the bundle.

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but some of these have exclusive agreements

Those are the words we don't want to hear but were afraid we would hear. For the sake of full disclosure and to allow your customers to make informed decisions, would you tell us which journals have exclusive agreements?

but some of these have exclusive agreements

Does this include any in the old TJLs?
And if so are these going to remain permanently/indefinitely unavailable in Logos now that TJL 1-15 have been pulled?

I don't have many of the details at this point. I heard that The Master's Seminary may have signed an exclusive with ATLA, which would mean that Galaxie wouldn't be able to carry updates either (their last update was 2007). We've been in talks with ATLA though, and it looks like we might be able to work around it and get it. No promises yet.

I'm not aware of any other exclusives at this point. Our Publisher Relations department is at the Frankfurt Book Fair this week. I should have a better sense of the licensing situation in the next week or two.

The sense I get is that the prospect of getting 90% or more of the Galaxie content is really good.

Phil, I have not followed the entire thread, and this may have been recommended.

1. Break the collections up into smaller size bites.

• Small
• Medium Size
• Large
• Mega
• With dynamic pricing of course.

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm concerned that this is too arbitrary. I don't think we'll go this direction. We plan to move forward with what I outlined earlier: Master, Theology, Academic, TJL Upgrade, and individual collections per journal.

I don't know if others have any interest but I would love to see the peer-reviewed Philosophia Christi from the Evangelical Philosophical Society added to the bundle.

On the wishlist. Thanks for the suggestion.

Phil,

I know I will buy whatever you'll offer, but would you please make the price sweeter for students? Pretty please?

I am going to recommend something maybe a bit ambitious.... if you are having a hard time with licensing issues you can always bypass that process and start having Faithlife journals. I recommend these categories/journals

1. OT Studies

2. NT Studies

3. Pastoral Studies 

4. Theological studies 

We've had some discussions about starting a journal. It's a possibility at some point.

Phil,

I know I will buy whatever you'll offer, but would you please make the price sweeter for students? Pretty please?

We will have academic prices, but they almost certainly won't be quite as good as the Pre-Pub prices.

The sense I get is that the prospect of getting 90% or more of the Galaxie content is really good.

That is encouraging. (But it sure seems to have taken a great deal of time to get to this 'prospect'. I don't know how licensing agreements get done so that may not be unusual.)

I would appreciate the Journal of Spiritual Formation & Soul Care included in a journal collection.

The sense I get is that the prospect of getting 90% or more of the Galaxie content is really good.

That is encouraging. (But it sure seems to have taken a great deal of time to get to this 'prospect'. I don't know how licensing agreements get done so that may not be unusual.)

Mark, I draft and negotiate IP license agreements for a living and they usually takes months (in some cases years) to negotiate. A quick negotiation is usually the exception. I am actually surprised that Logos has been able to accomplish this much so quickly. 

Along those lines I would like the follow 

Christian Education Journal 

Great Commission research Journal

A quick negotiation is usually the exception. I am actually surprised that Logos has been able to accomplish this much so quickly. 

That's helpful to know. Thanks.

Here's a probing question. Any chance of wooing Galaxie back to the table? Most have been very satisfied with their offering. 

Here's a probing question. Any chance of wooing Galaxie back to the table? Most have been very satisfied with their offering. 

Logos has been trying for some time now. The current move to fly solo is due to the fact that an agreement is not in the near future.

The product still says it is temporarily unavailable for purchase. Phil, do you know when it will be available for pre-pub?

Would you consider adding the Journal of the Evangelical Homiletics Society (JEHS)? See http://ehomiletics.com/journal/about/ 

 Journal of the Evangelical Homiletics Society (JEHS)

Yes, please do! [Y][Y]

 Phil,

Any chance of adding the Journel of Biblical Counseling https://www.logos.com/product/18545/journal-of-biblical-counseling

I wonder what the final price would be with all these new additional journals? 

thousands?

Any chance of adding the Journel of Biblical Counseling https://www.logos.com/product/18545/journal-of-biblical-counseling

Unfortunately not. Our contract for this product doesn't allow for bundling with others' content.

The product still says it is temporarily unavailable for purchase. Phil, do you know when it will be available for pre-pub?

Getting really close—hopefully later this week. We want to make sure we have it right this time.

Would you consider adding the Journal of the Evangelical Homiletics Society (JEHS)? See http://ehomiletics.com/journal/about/ 

I added it to our journals wishlist. We'll have to reach out about licensing their content.

Along those lines I would like the follow 

Christian Education Journal 

Great Commission research Journal

The first was on our wishlist. The second is now.

I would appreciate the Journal of Spiritual Formation & Soul Care included in a journal collection.

It's on our wishlist.

Hi Phil

Can I just say how much I appreciate the highly responsive feedback we are getting here from you. I know you can't give us everything we want, but it is so good to see you are trying and appreciate the importance of Journals to us and thus to the success of this aspect of Logos.

It is worth saying that I bought into Logos initially for the access to theological journal - that in itself cannot be achieved on this scale by any other means. (dead tree, on-line subscription, library membership etc. etc.)

My take on this is that if Logos manages to get the coverage and pricing of the offering right then the hook for existing customer/users of Logos will be enormous. Which will also affect new potential customers.

I look forward with interest to the offering - and am eager to see where developments will go thereafter.

Enough for now.

Shalom.

Can I just say how much I appreciate the highly responsive feedback we are getting here from you. I know you can't give us everything we want, but it is so good to see you are trying and appreciate the importance of Journals to us and thus to the success of this aspect of Logos.

You know Kevin, just last night I was thinking the EXACT same thing. Phil, you are doing an incredible job. I know taking the time to respond to so many of us in the forums takes time away from your other responsibilities and it's not always that enjoyable. We truly appreciate your doing so.

Can I just say how much I appreciate the highly responsive feedback we are getting here from you. I know you can't give us everything we want, but it is so good to see you are trying and appreciate the importance of Journals to us and thus to the success of this aspect of Logos.

You know Kevin, just last night I was thinking the EXACT same thing. Phil, you are doing an incredible job. I know taking the time to respond to so many of us in the forums takes time away from your other responsibilities and it's not always that enjoyable. We truly appreciate your doing so.

[Y] I too have been having similar thoughts as I follow this thread.

It's on our wishlist.

Hi Phil, since you are taking request for journals, I would like to add my two cents.

• Good Preacher produced by Luther Seminary: https://www.goodpreacher.com/index.php
• Spiritus: A Journal of Christian Spirituality  produced by The Johns Hopkins University Press: http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/spiritus/

We want to make sure we have it right this time.

Can I just say how much I appreciate the highly responsive feedback we are getting here from you. I know you can't give us everything we want, but it is so good to see you are trying and appreciate the importance of Journals to us and thus to the success of this aspect of Logos.

You know Kevin, just last night I was thinking the EXACT same thing. Phil, you are doing an incredible job. I know taking the time to respond to so many of us in the forums takes time away from your other responsibilities and it's not always that enjoyable. We truly appreciate your doing so.

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We want to make sure we have it right this time.

Phil,

Will these journals have page numbers? That would be very frustrating to those of us who need to cite if they did not. I hope Logos is doing it right with page numbers. [;)]

yes yes yes

Good call Kevin, thats a chronic lack when it comes to Journals - proper citations and journal page numbers.

Some Bibsac shows the name of the journal, volume and page number. Other the full details. Please normalize them per turabian (or whatever style). Its a hassle to track down the real information sometimes, on some resources. Bib sac I can get the ISBN from the library and punch it into the computer for the proper bibliography/citations. But not every journal is in the library.

Robert L. Dean Jr., “Chronological Issues in the Book of Revelation,” Bibliotheca Sacra 168 (2011): 224–225.

VS

Bibliotheca Sacra 1, no. 2 (1844): 367.

At least we can now see some of the reasons this was pulled. The old Galaxie titles seem to have already been updated for the full Logos markup and many of the new titles are included in the recent L6 base packages.

This should hopefully mean that the collection will hit publication really quickly, and hopefully I will have already paid for most of it.

I was thinking the same thing Mike

And I was "hoping" the same thing! [:)]

Hi Mike,

Do you have an example of this new markup so that I can check in my library too? Thanks

Do you have an example of this new markup so that I can check in my library too? Thanks

If you're on Logos 6 you can do a "By Resource" search for {Label Journal Article}.

Do you have an example of this new markup so that I can check in my library too? Thanks

If you're on Logos 6 you can do a "By Resource" search for {Label Journal Article}.

Missed that during beta testing. Thanks Mark.

If you're on Logos 6 you can do a "By Resource" search for {Label Journal Article}.

Why is the entire article (seems like the entire journal) highlighted in yellow?