Can you explain why you cannot provide the basic update before Feb 3rd, other than to play on customer's impatience to obtain more sales?
I'm not a Logos/Faithlife employee, just a user. However, my understanding is that they just want to pay the bills first, before giving away the milk for free. Logos5 will work just fine until then. There's been a lot of time and money spent so far on developing Logos6 and all the new data sets (they're really good, BTW). Seems fair that they would prioritize recouping those expenses first.
Consider it an opportunity to exercise your patience 'muscles.' Think about how much more patient you'll be by Feb. 3. You might even be patient enough to wait until Feb. 4, just to prove you can do it. [;)]
One of my most frequent (and unanswered) prayers is "God, please grant me patience . . . right now!" [li]
One of my most frequent (and unanswered) prayers is "God, please grant me patience . . . right now!"
I would also guess that support calls would increase greatly if they did not phase the releases. This costs money and time.
it's all in your perspective: most people did not expect it till November of next year, so getting it in February is like !!! 9 months early !!!
Can you explain why you cannot provide the basic update before Feb 3rd, other than to play on customer's impatience to obtain more sales? it's all in your perspective: most people did not expect it till November of next year, so getting it in February is like !!! 9 months early !!!
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Patience isn't learned by God taking everything that makes you impatient away.
In my opinion, this is poor practice. I have no desire to purchase an upgrade and will deal with Logos5 engine for the time being. Maybe its time to cut our losses and move to a platform whose software upgrades are value added and not heavily monetized.
Logos will give you the software free of charge starting February 3rd.
a platform whose software upgrades are value added and not heavily monetized
Alas, it takes money to keep writing new code and creating new features. I don't think we're unique in wanting to monetize upgrades -- I've paid for quite a few over the last 20 years for Windows, Adobe products, Microsoft Office, etc.
And in the case of Logos 6, a lot of what's new is a hybrid of code-and-content, and we had to pay to create (or purchase) that content.
Of course if that new content is not valuable to you -- and it won't be to everyone -- there's no need to buy it, and we'll support Logos 5 for some time. And, just for the record, we have delivered many improvements to Logos 5 at no cost. You can see the history here: https://wiki.logos.com/Logos_5_Release_Notes
Logos 6 -- like all our 'major' releases -- is essentially a lot of new 'products' wrapped up in a big library. We really do deliver updates for free -- and over the years, with the free engine updates which trail around three months behind the big new release -- we probably deliver more consistent free value than most purchased software packages. It's just the new 'products' (new content, new resources, etc.) that we charge far. Because we don't have another way to fund it!
Can't say that I am enamored with Logos' marketing strategy. Each version touts new cool features, which only are enabled by purchasing a $1,000 package. All features should work at all package levels. We should pay based on content desired, not a combination of content and features.
I understand Logos has a business to run, pay good developers good wages and make a little profit. I get that! I just don't appreciate the pricing structure.
Can't say that I am enamored with Logos' marketing strategy. Each version touts new cool features, which only are enabled by purchasing a $1,000 package. All features should work at all package levels. We should pay based on content desired, not a combination of content and features. I understand Logos has a business to run, pay good developers good wages and make a little profit. I get that! I just don't appreciate the pricing structure.
John, the great news is that if you only want the new datasets and features, we now provide Crossgrade products to deliver that new functionality. If you aren't interested in new books or resources with each major release, that's your best option.
If you only want some of the newest features, check out Core Crossgrade. If you want it all (what's included in Gold and up in all base package tracks), get Feature Crossgrade.
Hope this helps!
You can pay for just the crossgrades if you don't want all the resources.
We should pay based on content desired, not a combination of content and features.
I'm sorry that the feature/content distinction can be confusing. Most of the new 'features' are really tightly integrated with new content. If I told you someone had spent months of full-time work outlining the propositional structure of the New Testament in the Greek, and we were publishing it as a book, you'd probably expect to pay for it. But we're delivering that as a Visual Filter, which feels like a 'feature' and not a book. And it's awesome as a feature -- it works on the Greek and any modern Bible for which we have a reverse interlinear, so it's like a half-dozens books... but the 'feature' is really a complex mix of code (non-trivial!) and a massive amount of new editorial work.
And that's the same with much of what's new in Logos 6. Even Visual Copy, which seems like a 'code feature', is really just an interface to tens of thousands of dollars of licensed content, original editorial work, and commissioned and in-house graphic design. It's more content than code, we just don't wrap it up as 'a book of 10,000 photos'.
Let me add that the pricing for this data looks like a steal to me. For under $160 you get lots of new functionality. If you don't need the new resources that come in an upgrade package, buy the Essential Crossgrade. I think you'll believe that it was money well spent (plus you'll have 30 days to return it if you don't think so.)
If you have a base package, you might consider a small sidegrade.
I went from L5 Bronze/Ref Starter to L6 Reformed Starter for less than $40 (YMMV). For that I won't get but a small part of the new features, but I'll get the new interface before Feb. And unless you plan to apostasize and quit it altogether, nothing spent with these folks is wasted.
Is the Logos 6 core engine update free? When will the release date? 2/3/2015? Where did you find that information?
Thanks for your response.
Kelvin
Is the Logos 6 core engine update free?
Yes
When will the release date? 2/3/2015?
Where did you find that information?
See the first post in this thread: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/92878/644850.aspx
Calling some of the new features "datasets" is a good move, because that is precisely what they are: new content.
deal with Logos5 engine for the time being.
I still love Logos 5. Just because something new came out, doesn't make me feel like my Logos 5 is broken and not as good anymore. In fact, Logos 5 is better today than when I first got it because of minor updates that have arrived along the way.
You would be hard pressed to find another software package that can do even a portion of what Logos can do.
deal with Logos5 engine for the time being. I still love Logos 5. Just because something new came out, doesn't make me feel like my Logos 5 is broken and not as good anymore. In fact, Logos 5 is better today than when I first got it because of minor updates that have arrived along the way. You would be hard pressed to find another software package that can do even a portion of what Logos can do.
You're right, Logos 5 is a fine program. The additional features and improvements in L6 are a outstanding and I am glad to have them.
With L6 as with any other program one has to ask and answer some questions. What is new? Do I need it? Do I want it? Can I afford it? etc
I think we sometimes think we need to have the latest, greatest programs just because they exist.
How will the Logos 6 core engine update help when using an android tablet? Will buying the base crossgrade help? I use my tablet way more than my computer these days and it is terribly frustrating the amount of features I give up because of it. I originally bought a Platinum package and already have more books than I will ever read there, include my ever growing print library and I'm full in that regard. What I want is to have the use of resources I paid good money for available.
Honestly, I often get more use and functionality out of some of the free apps I have on my tablet. I see more people with tablets than laptops these days so will/is this issue being addressed?
Can't say that I am enamored with Logos' marketing strategy. Each version touts new cool features
Do you know of any software creator who doesn't do this? I've gotten a number of emails from WinZip just this year.
How will the Logos 6 core engine update help when using an android tablet? Will buying the base crossgrade help? I use my tablet way more than my computer these days and it is terribly frustrating the amount of features I give up because of it. I originally bought a Platinum package and already have more books than I will ever read there, include my ever growing print library and I'm full in that regard. What I want is to have the use of resources I paid good money for available. Honestly, I often get more use and functionality out of some of the free apps I have on my tablet. I see more people with tablets than laptops these days so will/is this issue being addressed?
Gary, the Android app is completely different from the Logos 6 engine. Purchasing anything in L6 will not change what you now have in the app you are using. So if you don't use a computer or laptop often you don't need to upgrade. Even if you do, you don't need to upgrade even to continue to use that platform. When the free L6 engine is released it would make sense to install it.
You paid money to have use of your resources on a PC or Mac, with use on other apps according to those app's abilities. If you didn't understand that when you spent it, it is probably too late to get a refund, but you can always ask.
Concerning spending money on Logos 'stuff', it is sales of resources and new datasets, etc. that allow the desktop app and your Android app to be developed. So we all have an interest in keeping that work going forward.
I have been using the iOS app for a few years and like you, use it a lot. But I will never expect it to be able to do what I can do with Logos on a full desktop. The things it can do have grown, and I know they will continue to. I seriously doubt you will find an app that will give you near the full functionality of any desktop/laptop program like Logos. As you know, tablets are a different product and have their own limitations. The gap seems to be closing. I am sure Logos will try to take advantage of that as they can.
I am curious, however, about your mention of not being able to use resources. Other than the limitations that the app puts on what can be run and displayed, what resources are you referring to? I know licensing limitations mean some books cannot be used on the Android/iOS apps, but Logos can't do anything about that except continue to try to get permission from the publishers. Please let us know what you mean.
Honestly, I often get more use and functionality out of some of the free apps I have on my tablet.
In addition to what Mark said, I will add that the Logos app on your android is free. Logos has a mobile app team working full time on both android and ios. They are continually improving a product that the company gives away.
If you'd like a free taste (although not the whole enchilada) of the L6 engine, you could test-drive Noet. Noet is based on 6, but lacks Bible-specific features (e.g. Bible search).
If interested, you can even try Noet without risking your current L4 or L5 installation. For example, I have Logos 4, Verbum 5, and Noet (based on 6), installed on the same machine. Here's a post from Bradley admitting that L5 + Noet is possible. He notes that it isn't an officially tested scenario; however, I haven't noticed any problems <except that this poor old machine was pretty slow when I tried running all three simultaneously : >
