Query to find words that occur in NT but not in LXX

Thanks guys.

You've given me some angles to work. I was concerned that this might require Word Lists.

I'll work on some of these ideas and let you know what I find.

One more try with L4 on this. Here is where I am now.

I've limited a search in GNT to John for all nouns and got the following results:

And a query for all nouns in the LXX with the following results:

I thought I might be able to use Basic or Bible search to compare the hits from NA27 with the hits from LXX but both queries I built above resolve to the same thing: 
([field bible] <lbs-morph+el ~ N????>)

Is there a way to modify this string to limit the results to a particular resource? I am envisioning something like this:

This is obviously the wrong syntax but is something like this possible?

Robert Pavich said:

Russ,

yes....just make a collection with nothing but the LXX and NA27 in it...do a search and rank "by book"

 

I did that and found that it was easier to to compare the results using two separate searches....

Robert,

Thanks for the suggestion.

What I am after is one result list that contains the verses in the NT (or just the Gospel of John really) that contain words that are not used in the LXX.

Do you see a way of finding those words by comparing the results of the two separate searches?

I think this would effectively be the same as opening up the New Testament and the LXX in two different panes.

Thanks, Dave, for your help on this. Sorry for being so dense. I am just not very familiar with how search works in Logos.

Dave Hooton said:

2. No search compares two resources - it always looks for results in one resource.

I really hope there is future development on this. It would be great to be able to compare hits from discreet searches.

Dave Hooton said:

3. I know that big Word Lists in L3 are possible but time-consuming. I think that an L4 implementation should be faster & more convenient (but not in time for you!).

I figured out my problem with my installation of L3. It was a fresh install that just needed updating to 3.0g.

So I am back in the game on trying to use it.

If I create a word list of unique lemmas from the Greek text of John and a similar word list from the LXX, I think I can then create a new word list that includes the words from John but excludes the words from the LXX. Is that right?

So far I have created a Word List from the Greek text of the Gospel of John.

My first problem with that is that I can't seem to find a way to restrict the word list to unique lemmas instead of unique lexical forms. Is that possible?

Dave Hooton said:

if one can get all the words from LXX!

I was able to successfully build a vocabulary list for the Gospel of John, paste the results into a word list, and exclude the numbers and English glosses. That worked just as you recommended.

When I attempted to build the vocabulary list of "Gen-Bel and the Dragon" for the LXX, however, I got an error message: "Out of Memory at line: 3764".

But then creating a word list from the LXX based on "Gen-Bel and the Dragon" worked in just a manner of seconds!
Of course, its 3151 words include all variations based upon inflections - even where capitalization requires different breathing marks (ἀδελφή versus Ἀδελφή, for instance).

I thought I might breaking the vocabulary lists into smaller sections (Gen-Psalms, Proverbs-Bel and the Dragon) and then pasting those individual results into a single word list. However, my attempt to create a vocabulary list on "Gen-Psalm" but that produced a Memory error in Line 140.

I exited and restarted the software and attempted the "Gen-Psalm" vocabulary list again. This time there was no memory error but trying to select all the entries to copy is taking so long with Stop Running Script messages every 30 seconds that I have given up for now.

I might try breaking the vocab list selections into even smaller segments later.

I also noticed that the choice of Bible for the Word List is "Septuaginta: Morphologically Tagged Edition" while the Vocabulary List is "LXX | Septuaginta". I don't know if this is relevant or not.

Kevin Becker said:

Russ,

This is part 2. I went through and performed the @N ANDNOT <LN~93> on the LXX. Because the search produced too many results for the Analysis to display, I went ahead and performed the search on chunks of the LXX and then combined them into a single Excel file and eliminated all the duplicates. Here's the file

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If you want any more details or ask me any questions my email is beckerkr AT gmail

EDIT: HMMM, just reading your other posts I realized this file does not include results from the apocryphal sections.

Kevin,

Thanks for this. It actually provides the missing link for a workable solution. I will have to use both L3 and L4 but the combination will work.

I successfully created a word list from each of your Excel files and then created a third word list that includes the John word list but excludes the LXX word list. The resulting word list is what I am looking for.

Of course I will need to add verbs and some other things but I think I have a solid method between the two programs.

Anybody see any potential problems here?

This also encourages me that the future implementation of Word Lists in L4 will probably put us on another level of search capability.

Thanks, everyone for all the help.

Kevin Becker said:

Russ, be certain to check out the new file I just uploaded via edit in my previous post. The addition of the Apocryphal books added over a thousand unique entries to my noun list.

Thanks, Kevin. I really appreciate all of the help.