Logos 6 "Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew"

I was disappointed to see that "Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew" was not updated to work within Logos 6. What are the plans for this resource - it seems at this stage ALL previously purchased products should be fully integrated.

Specifically:

1.What are the plans for this Resource's functionality within Logos 6?

2.What is the timeline for its integration?

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Graham Owen

1.What are the plans for this Resource's functionality within Logos 6?

2.What is the timeline for its integration?

Having invested in this for Logos 4, not being able to fully benefit from it in Logos 5 and now being a Logos 6 user I too would like an answer to these questions.

Fred Chapman

I was disappointed to see that "Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew" was not updated to work within Logos 6

What does not work? My video's still work fine. Can you elaborate?

Gerard Shanley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/650594#Comment_650594

I did not say it does not work- I pointed out that it does not work WITHIN the Logos 6 program.

David Thomas

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/650594#Comment_650594

What does not work? My video's still work fine. Can you elaborate?

Logos moved away from AF morphology to their own LHM and the original videos still feature AF. There have been random posts over the last couple years about reshooting these videos with the new morphology so that what users see in the videos and what they see in the program are more similar.

John Kaess

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/650633#Comment_650633

What does not work? My video's still work fine. Can you elaborate?

Logos moved away from AF morphology to their own LHM and the original videos still feature AF. There have been random posts over the last couple years about reshooting these videos with the new morphology so that what users see in the videos and what they see in the program are more similar.

What David said.

This resource cost WAAAAAAY too much to have never been updated so it can work with Logos 5 and now 6. It is the single worst failure that has been evidenced by Logos continual efforts for new and better without updating a $500 resource to be fully functional in Logos 5 and now 6.

Keith Larson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/650638#Comment_650638

If you go to the Mobile Ed section you will find a list of all current and planned courses. They are planning an update to these courses. I don't think it is hard to understand why they delayed up dating it for L5, knowing that L6 was just about to be released. I am sure we will be hearing more soon.

Gerard Shanley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/650633#Comment_650633

Thank you David for your reply which clarifies the specific problem. I think that the issue for Logos is the resolve to fix it and give a timeline for the fix.

As you point out this is not a new issue so while all the new video content was being prepared for Mobile Ed (which I consider a great product) the reworking of this resource should have been prioritized.

The question that can reasonably be raised is:

What will become of Mobile Ed resources with future iterations of the Logos software if there is a history of placing on the back burner a past, costly resource?

David Thomas

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/650646#Comment_650646

If you go to the Mobile Ed section you will find a list of all current and planned courses. They are planning an update to these courses. I don't think it is hard to understand why they delayed up dating it for L5, knowing that L6 was just about to be released. I am sure we will be hearing more soon.

a free or DEEPLY Discounted m.Ed course for those who bought the DVDs would be consistent with the fairness demonstrated by Logos over other issues and would make this user content.

Fred Chapman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/650657#Comment_650657

I now understand what the OP meant by their post. While I agree it would be nice to receive an update to these videos I do not think it is a reasonable expectation.

Gerard Shanley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/650706#Comment_650706

I agree with you that it may not be a reasonable expectation, however, I have very high expectations of Logos as a business that excels in customer service by assuring that all purchased products remain up to date. Now that Mobile Ed has shown the value of video content being fully integrated within the Library this excellent resource should not remain an orphan. Great products have a tendency to increase expectations!

I think it is reasonable to have clear answer to the questions.

Fred Chapman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/650749#Comment_650749

I agree with you that it may not be a reasonable expectation, however, I have very high expectations of Logos as a business that excels in customer service by assuring that all purchased products remain up to date. Now that Mobile Ed has shown the value of video content being fully integrated within the Library this excellent resource should not remain an orphan. Great products have a tendency to increase expectations!

I think it is reasonable to have clear answer to the questions.

I think it is very reasonable to have high expectations of Logos. In my experience more times than not they meet or exceed them. I do not think it is reasonable for them to provide new products free of charge, or expect them to continually update or modernize old products users have purchased.

Bob Pritchett

Our team is actively working on updating 'Learn to Use'. I can't name a date yet, but it's being worked on right now. Sorry for the delay...

Martin Folley

I see that 'Mobile Ed: Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew with Logos 6' has now appeared on Pre-Pub.

In the product description is states:

If you own the previous version, Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew with Logos Bible Software, you will receive a specially discounted price once the product is live. We recommend you place your order at that time.

It seem strange ... buy it now and get a discount later ... I am not sure why they cannot discuss the discount now ... it makes for a hard purchasing decision.

HansK

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/696891#Comment_696891

... buy it now and get a discount later ...

IMHO you are totally misunderstanding/misquoting the advertisement here! [:D]

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/696891#Comment_696891

I see that 'Mobile Ed: Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew with Logos 6' has now appeared on Pre-Pub.

In the product description is states:

If you own the previous version, Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew with Logos Bible Software, you will receive a specially discounted price once the product is live. We recommend you place your order at that time.

It seem strange ... buy it now and get a discount later ... I am not sure why they cannot discuss the discount now ... it makes for a hard purchasing decision.

Not as strange as your interpretation. Faithlife says - wait till you see the discount to order. You say buy first and get a discount later which seems to be directly opposite of their instructions. Back to Hermeneutics 101 for you. [;)]

Sarel Slabbert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/696897#Comment_696897

I am really looking forward to see what the discount is going to be. I hope it will make it worth the while to buy this course... AGAIN.

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/696908#Comment_696908

For those who own the previous version, does the website show that you own the product? I own it, but the website does not indicate that I do.

Bill Shewmaker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/696920#Comment_696920

For those who own the previous version, does the website show that you own the product? I own it, but the website does not indicate that I do.

I just checked and it does not show that I own it either. I still use my copy every once in a while, but a newer, improved, working copy will be great.

Gerard Shanley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/696897#Comment_696897

Delighted to see this great resource heading into production- I'm sure it will have been worth the wait.

Hermeneutics is also not one of my strong points- does "live" mean when it is out of Pre-Pub or when it is shipped? [:^)]

James Hiddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/696891#Comment_696891

I see that 'Mobile Ed: Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew with Logos 6' has now appeared on Pre-Pub.

In the product description is states:

If you own the previous version, Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew with Logos Bible Software, you will receive a specially discounted price once the product is live. We recommend you place your order at that time.

It seem strange ... buy it now and get a discount later ... I am not sure why they cannot discuss the discount now ... it makes for a hard purchasing decision.

Nice glad to see this in prepub.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/696956#Comment_696956

Do you think they will get the alphabets right this time?

Kenneth Neighoff

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/696965#Comment_696965

Do you think they will get the alphabets right this time?

Let's hope so.

Rob

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/696966#Comment_696966

If you eliminate those who purchased the previous program there will be fewer people ordering this pre-pub.

The ones left that order will be 1) new users of Logos and 2) those who didn't want to order it last time.

Just a hunch but this item may languish in pre-pub for a while.

Sarel Slabbert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/697059#Comment_697059

If you eliminate those who purchased the previous program there will be fewer people ordering this pre-pub.

The ones left that order will be 1) new users of Logos and 2) those who didn't want to order it last time.

Just a hunch but this item may languish in pre-pub for a while.

Rob, I have a hunch that you are correct, although I truly hope you are not :-D

Ward Walker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/697069#Comment_697069

I bought the original videos, and tried to make my way through them. It was a separate experience to Logos, and I typically kept the video open in half of the screen with OneNote open in the other half so I could take notes. I had to pause the video a lot. The new software that does flashcards on the smartphone would have been nice to have at that time, and to be integrated into the videos.

I can't help but remember one of the old versions of Logos that used to have a "Home Page" for special collections, and from that page it had links to all the content--including media content such as audio sermons/etc. That was easier for me to use because it was integrated into my Logos experience.

I've not wrapped my brain around the m.ED offerings yet--just far too busy--but perhaps they are offering the experience I seek. I'll wait, hope for a great price on the "update" and probably try it out.

HansK

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/697059#Comment_697059

If you eliminate those who purchased the previous program there will be fewer people ordering this pre-pub.

The ones left that order will be 1) new users of Logos and 2) those who didn't want to order it last time.

Just a hunch but this item may languish in pre-pub for a while.

The users who have the previous version will get a discount [:D]

The Mobile Ed lessons that have been published are great imho, so this will not been an exception I hope. Integrated into Logos 6.

Martin Folley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/696893#Comment_696893

Oops ... Sorry folks ...[:$]

HansK

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/697097#Comment_697097

Some info here by Mike Heiser:

http://drmsh.com/2015/02/14/learn-to-use-greek-and-hebrew-2-0-logos-6-version-on-pre-pub-now/

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/697207#Comment_697207

http://drmsh.com/2015/02/14/learn-to-use-greek-and-hebrew-2-0-logos-6-version-on-pre-pub-now/

Just made the link active.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/697230#Comment_697230

Just made the link active.

Thanks Bruce. BTW, just passed one of your neighbors heading south on I-73 in North Carolina. He had enough salt on his van to season about a million orders of fries [;)] (We barely made out the Ontario license plate.)

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/697234#Comment_697234

BTW, just passed one of your neighbors heading south on I-73 in North Carolina. He had enough salt on his van to season about a million orders of fries (We barely made out the Ontario license plate

Ah, the hazards of winter driving. Right now it's so cold here that the salt is not working. The forecast is for temperatures exceeding -30 tonight. Btw, -40 is the same in Celsius and Fahrenheit.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/697245#Comment_697245

Right now it's so cold here that the salt is not working.

We need the Learn to use… videos as a humanitarian outreach to our Canadian brothers and sisters. With the video, food, and fuel, they can stay indoors until the Spring thaw comes in early July [:D]

Btw, -40 is the same in Celsius and Fahrenheit.

That is a bit of information that I hope to never have need of [+o(]

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/697387#Comment_697387

Btw, -40 is the same in Celsius and Fahrenheit.

That is a bit of information that I hope to never have need of

This morning it was -35. Now that is cold even for a Canadian.

Kevin A Lewis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/697405#Comment_697405

Back on topic!

I own the prior version - but as physical media - and the Logos.com site seems to be unaware of my ownership - so how does this factor with others who say they own and are not acknowledged by the site.

Also how does this relate to those who would like to take advantage who may or may not qualify - Faithlife input please!

Shalom

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/697409#Comment_697409

Back on topic!

Sorry about that.

I own the prior version - but as physical media - and the Logos.com site seems to be unaware of my ownership - so how does this factor with others who say they own and are not acknowledged by the site.

Also how does this relate to those who would like to take advantage who may or may not qualify - Faithlife input please!

I too own the prior version on discs and very much hope that there is a good incentive to upgrade. The Logos website may not show this but for sure our ownership of this is known to them.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/697405#Comment_697405

This morning it was -35. Now that is cold even for a Canadian.

Global warming, according to some. (Remember the plight of the polar bears! [6] )

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/697433#Comment_697433

We are definitely on the global warming side - 60 in the winter is not our norm.

Dan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/696920#Comment_696920

For those who own the previous version, does the website show that you own the product? I own it, but the website does not indicate that I do.

Same for me-- I own it, but the website does not indicate that I do.

Lonnie Spencer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/697889#Comment_697889

I own the original version of the Greek and Hebrew videos and I don't see what the problem is that would cause me to want to spend more money to update them. I bought the Original Language package in L4 that used the Anderson-Forbes Morphology, just like the Hebrew videos. I have recently updated to L6 and I still have the Anderson Forbes Hebrew Morphology available in the visual filters. So I'm not seeing a difference that makes the old videos obsolete. Biblical Greek and Hebrew certainly haven't changed for the last couple thousand years, so I see no need to upgrade.

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/697953#Comment_697953

I wonder if there is a follow up on this resource. When is it expected to go live?

Geo Philips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/776995#Comment_776995

Can we get a couple of sample videos from the course atleast?

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/777493#Comment_777493

It has been quite a while since we have heard an update on this. I would like an update. I know the videos are produced. I know the format has changed to the mobile ed courses. I do not know why it is still in development. What is the problem?

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/777529#Comment_777529

Just received news this is shipping November 19.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/778057#Comment_778057