No Table of Contents in Many Vyrso Book Previews

I had to debate with myself whether this should be posted here or in the website forum but in the end I decided here since it was directly to do with Vyrso book sales.

I have experienced this frustration on numerous occasions but finally decided to bring this up as a topic. Today I received an email encouraging me to purchase from a sale of leadership books from Vyrso. I followed the link to see the screenshot below. I'm not familiar with this book so I want to learn more and notice the "see inside" icon below the image of the book. (see first image below). Now the primary reason why I want to see inside the book is to look at the chapter titles at the beginning but many times in the biblia preview the table of contents is missing because the "content is not shown in limited preview". (see second image below).

I realize that this is probably automatically generated but I think this is a huge problem. The most important thing for me when I decide if I'm going to purchase the book is seeing the table of contents. You can leave out most of the content of the book and that would not matter but the contents is critical.

I think this may be happening because the automation process guesses where the contents might be but often there are quite a few endorsements at the beginning that may be causing this issue. My suggested solution to this is to increase the amount preview of a book at the beginning so it always include the contents. Doesn't this make more sense?

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Bruce Dunning

One thing I forgot to add is that I never experience this in Amazon. In order to see the contents of this book I had to go to Amazon (see image below). Please don't force us to do this.

Randy W. Sims

I strongly agree. I can't stand the previews generated on Logos/Vyrso books. I much prefer Amazons. Show me ALL the front matter, everything from the cover up through at least the foreword/preface/introduction, but preferably through chapter 1. This is how I evaluate books at the book store. This is how I do it on Amazon. The little pieces here and there are completely useless to me. The exception would be reference books where I would like to see a couple of complete articles.

NB.Mick

Bruce,

Vyrso seems to be down for me currently, so I cropped this from your screenshot: There is a TOC in the preview, just click it:

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/642339#Comment_642339

There is a TOC in the preview, just click it:

If that is a TOC button, it needs to be changed. The icon is universal for "left justify." If a better icon can't be found, a button with "TOC" would be more intuitive.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/642349#Comment_642349

There is a TOC in the preview, just click it:

If that is a TOC button, it needs to be changed. The icon is universal for "left justify." If a better icon can't be found, a button with "TOC" would be more intuitive.

Well, but this is not new (and why should there be a left justified button?).

Rather than the button, now that Vyrso.com works again, it bugs me that it only tells us "Chapter 1, Chaper 2, Chapter 2...."

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/642355#Comment_642355

but this is not new

If those of us who use this site frequently (daily) didnt know what that button was for, how should newbies know?

and why should there be a left justified button?).

Right. Why SHOULD there be a "left justified button."? (There shouldn't!)

it bugs me that it only tells us "Chapter 1, Chaper 2, Chapter 2...."

Sometimes books only have "chapter 1," etc. Is that the case with the book in question, or no?

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/642339#Comment_642339

Vyrso seems to be down for me currently, so I cropped this from your screenshot: There is a TOC in the preview, just click it:

Well, I didn't know that but it is next to useless. The chapters are not listed by title. I have to choose a chapter. Then when I do it goes back to the "content not shown" screen. It is circular and doesn't help. Vyrso must change this.

mike

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/642441#Comment_642441

1. No TOC

2. Limited preview have weird cuts.

3. No telling of total number of pages

4. No telling of released date

5. No editorial reviews

6. When Vyrso's website is sorted under "Savings", the saving calculation is always wrong.

Perhaps Vyrso's workers can once again look at how Amazon Books works.

Thanks

Brian Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/642475#Comment_642475

Thank you for the suggestions everyone! We're looking into potential solutions and will let you know when/if we make any updates to the system.

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/642727#Comment_642727

Thank you for the suggestions everyone! We're looking into potential solutions and will let you know when/if we make any updates to the system.

I can only imagine the number of projects on your to-do list so I appreciate you taking a few minutes to let us know that you are looking into this. Improving this in the end benefits everyone.

Brian Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/642768#Comment_642768

Thank you for the suggestions everyone! We're looking into potential solutions and will let you know when/if we make any updates to the system.

I can only imagine the number of projects on your to-do list so I appreciate you taking a few minutes to let us know that you are looking into this. Improving this in the end benefits everyone.

My pleasure Bruce! I was exploring the concept a little more this morning and double checked a couple of table of contents with a variety of publishers on our system and it seems that some do provide chapter titles. Josh Kelley's Radically Normal is a good example of an ebook that does provide titles:

Regardless, we'll explore other elegant solutions in the future!

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/642776#Comment_642776

I was exploring the concept a little more this morning and double checked a couple of table of contents with a variety of publishers on our system and it seems that some do provide chapter titles.

That's great.

Regardless, we'll explore other elegant solutions in the future!

Thank you!

Bill Street

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/642777#Comment_642777

I bought an excellent book, Disciple Making Is . . . on Kindle (from Amazon). It did not have a Table of Contents. I contacted them and they said they could not correct it and to contact the publisher, B & H Publishing. B & H said they did not know what the problem was and after several weeks contacted me and said the only solution they knew was to send me a hard copy. That wasn't what I wanted, but it was fair.

I just looked and they now (about a year later) have it corrected.

Check the table of contents before you buy.

Bill Street

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/651094#Comment_651094

I'm not sure about Amazon books but all Vyrso books are generated automatically so, if the original publisher didn't include a table of contents there would not be one in Vyrso. Of course what I have been noticing is something different - there is a table of contents in the book but it doesn't show up in the preview. I believe this can be fixed if the decision made was to include more pages at the beginning of the book in the preview and truncate other parts of the book more instead.