I have been disappointed with Logos in recent years. Since Logos 5, Logos has been low to start up; it needs frequent updating and indexing; it's a memory hog. Logos used to be a fairly nimble piece of software. It's become high-maintenance.
For me, there is a definite speed difference in start-up. The home page loads much faster too.
As for updates, there have been a few come down the pipe already. So, I'm not sure if they are going to be less or not. The good news is, though, that it appears that Logos 6 has much fewer major bugs than Logos 4/5 did at this time in their life cycles.
These are only my personal observations and others may vary. [:)]
Logos has been low to start up
Some users have reported increases in performance using the 64 bit version. I saw significant improvement during the beta cycle for L6 partly because I switched to a SSD and partly because of optimization.
it needs frequent updating and indexin
There have been a lot of updates recently (especially if using L6) because of resource and dataset updates. That will likely settle down in the near future. However the program will still be updated in order to accommodate bug fixes and new features. Indexing will be required for new and updated resources if we want them to work withing the program.
it's a memory hog.
I have not noticed that. Been using the software since the old Libronix days
It's become high-maintenance.
I really don't have to do much to maintain Logos
Short reply to the above query: No.
Logos 6 is not (much) quicker to startup, has been updating frequently (it's still new & new bugs are still being found, etc.), as before, whenever you download a new or updated resource, Logos will index that resource. Just as before. In the categories you mention, Logos isn't noticeably faster, nor slower.
Logos on a 64bit OS will use more RAM than on a 32 bit OS - as much as Windows will give it. This is a good thing, as RAM doesn't do any good, if it's not used. The more of Logos that runs in RAM, the quicker it will respond (once it's loaded into RAM).
I'm not sure I'd agree that it's high-maintenance, as it basically maintains itself. But indexing does take time, especially on machines with slower hard drives.
That said, Logos 6 is not slower than or "higher-maintenance" than Logos 5 (except for now, when updates are being released on a daily basis, and sometimes multiple updates in the same day).
That may be because it is using more of my available "horsepower" to process the searches (which may be a less positive experience on older hardware), or not. I really don't know if you would see the same gains.
In 32-bit Logos searches that return a large number of results had to write temporary files to the drive. In 64-bit Logos, they can be held in memory. That's why you're seeing fairly significant speed increases for searches that return a lot of hits.
I'm not sure I'd agree that it's high-maintenance, as it basically maintains itself.
I'm not sure I'd agree with that. In order to make Logos really useful, you've got to spend time tagging and prioritizing things in your library. This is a never-ending task if you ever upgrade to new packages or regularly by new resources and bundles. They are very clever at getting us addicted to buying new stuff through the pre-pub and CP programs. But I suppose if you just bought your base package and were satisfied with that (akin to having a fixed set of print-based books in your library that you never add to), Logos could be self-maintaining.
Yes, it's a memory hog (RAM and disk). Most people have a lot though, and simply shrug their shoulders at an overwhelmed SSD drive.
The comparison of L5 to L6 seems moot though. The over-fed horse has been out of the barn since 2009. Parked himself at the Cadillac dealership.
Have you ever heard of Moore's Law? While strictly speaking a hardware issue, it is one of the most basic things to consider in any computer business. I miss WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS that I used at the end of my education. It was a great, nimble piece of software (when run off a hard drive instead of floppies - when it had enough memory) It let me control so much! Heck - I was actually able to turn in papers with the greek typed in, unlike my classmates who had to write it in themselves...
But time marches on as computers can do more because of Moore's Law. And successful applications have to figure out how to work with the new systems that can handle the new hardware. They also have to learn to work for users who have different expectations - and users nowadays are not comfortable with the behind the scenes stuff that I loved in WP, and was also there in Libronix.
Logos 6 continues largely in the same direction as Logos has been on since Logos 4. Being 64 bit means it can handle more memory than it used to - which may speed things up, especially as systems start to have even more memory. It has a redesigned Home Page that was designed to load faster than that in 5.
But it still handles its own updates similar to 4 and 5. It still depends on its index. 64 bit may make indexing a bit faster, but...
I'm not sure I'd agree that it's high-maintenance, as it basically maintains itself. I'm not sure I'd agree with that. In order to make Logos really useful, you've got to spend time tagging and prioritizing things in your library.
I'm not sure I'd agree with that. In order to make Logos really useful, you've got to spend time tagging and prioritizing things in your library.
The problem is not that Logos is high maintenance. It's that your bibliomania is high maintenance! [:P]
I started with an IVP bundle about 14 years ago and went to an original language core at least with Librionix maybe earlier. I meant "high maintenance" in a relationship metaphor sort of way not a technical and literal sort of way. Logos used to be that guy that you could call on the spot if you needed help moving a sofa and its become that friend you have to schedule time with just to have a cup of coffee--again, metaphor. The problem is probably that I've not devoted enough time to learning the intricacies of the changes. I also miss WordPerfect--a lot. Maybe I'm just getting old.
It's that your bibliomania is high maintenance!
Something about "pots and kettles" comes to mind, Mark! Or is that just wicked jealousy on my part? [;)]
Personally, I started with Logos 1.6 in 1993 with NIV - Anglicised, NA26, BHS.
I thought I had it all!
It was in Libronix that I really started to accumulate resources. I still have the disks neatly filed to prove it! I bought the Gold Library then!
The library really grew for me in L4 for Mac. With academic discount during my PhD years I bought a lot of language resources and upgraded to Platinum!
Since then in L5 I just added a ton of resources (mostly commentaries). With L6 I have gone for Extended Crossgrade, because that suits my needs.
As for the engine. I really was quite content with Libronix. I was able to do some things I couldn't do with later versions. However, there are so many features available in Logos 6 that I'm pleased with it.
I find that it loads more quickly than L5 which was slower but more reliable than L4 for Mac, which could be flaky.
Searches are fast enough. layouts can be slow to load, but that's because I have a lot of resources and guides opening which are interlinked. Still less than 30 seconds form icon to open layout on my MBA is respectably fast. It's just a tad slower on the iMac.
Phil 4:11 is my motto for Logos too. I'm just so grateful to the Lord to have the Bible resources that I have on Logos. I have said before, "I would never have been able to complete my PhD while in the full-time ministry if it hadn't been for the extra time Logos gave me in speeding up both sermon preparation and academic research. ( I used Libronix solely for the PhD, while using Logos 4 Mac for my sermon and bible study preparation).
As an old saint, now with the Lord, always said to me when I spoke to her, "I've much to be thankful for!"
Amen!
Every blessing
Alan
Some users have reported increases in performance using the 64 bit version.
Overall, I'd read this Microsoft article as stating that, everything else being equal, the performance of the same app built 32-bit or 64-bit shouldn't be significantly different on the same x64 machine:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/windows/desktop/aa384219.aspx
AND from an older post:
On a 64bit OS, a 32bit app requires that 32bit libraries to be loaded. This eats up more load time and RAM. Granted, this is mitigated a bit by the fact that there is normally a number of 32bit apps already running
BUT:
…AH HA! and anytime a 32-bit app needs >4GB of RAM, it would have to start using virtual memory/disk instead, whereas a 64-bit app wouldn't have that limitation, [presuming the machine supports >4GB of RAM (e.g. this 64-bit Compaq CQ60-615DX doesn't)]
Thanks Mark: that makes sense. : )
It solved one big problem: cashflow at Faithlife.
Your reply made me chuckle.
I find no real differences and may go back to 5.0. The homepage in 5.0 wasn't trying to sell me something so obviously as it does in 6.0!
To date I find no real benefits to the software update but I confess I am not a Logos (now Faithlife) expert either.
Merry Christmas and God bless our men and women serving overseas and domestically.
Your reply made me chuckle. I find no real differences and may go back to 5.0. The homepage in 5.0 wasn't trying to sell me something so obviously as it does in 6.0! To date I find no real benefits to the software update but I confess I am not a Logos (now Faithlife) expert either. Merry Christmas and God bless our men and women serving overseas and domestically.
Personally, I find the new data sets and other functionality of Logos 6 (full crossgrade or Gold or higher) to be very useful, and a better upgrade than from 4 to 5. (YMMV)
Oh, great, Josh. You're saying Logos is turning into a bride's magazine?
I'll have to admit I got L4 and L5 a whole lot faster than L6. I'm still on L5; it seems to work decently. I thought I'd be uncomfortable without the latest snazzy Cadallac.
Oh, great, Josh. You're saying Logos is turning into a bride's magazine? I'll have to admit I got L4 and L5 a whole lot faster than L6. I'm still on L5; it seems to work decently. I thought I'd be uncomfortable without the latest snazzy Cadallac.
But I WANT the BMW. [:D]
I am very happy with L6, for me it does many things better than L5. I have a SSD and Library is using more space, it went from 12GB to about 25GB with L6. I think my sermons are getting better due to some of the new features of L6.
I have only found that during tagging the library is a little slow to update. I am also happy that my computer needs to work a little harder.
But i may be able to upgrade soon I have been researching either a MacBook Pro 15" or a new 13" Asus Zenbook.
