Please, Logos, Jews aren't Christians
I'm happy that you've made it easier to find Jewish resources, but please don't embarrass yourselves and insult your Jewish customers by listing them as a "Christian Group" (if anything, it's we who are Jewish groups). Change the heading to something more neutral, something that can be used for both Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu etc tags. (Perhaps we should even have an Atheist tag, for Dawkins and the like?)
https://www.logos.com/products/search?Christian+Group=Jewish
And why does Catholic (Spanish) have a tag of their own? That's no separate church.
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As a suggestion, considering the diversity of groups, the safest heading would probably be just "Group". We all know what "Group" is immediately upon viewing the listing.
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How about Faith Tradition?Erwin Stull, Sr. said:As a suggestion, considering the diversity of groups, the safest heading would probably be just "Group". We all know what "Group" is immediately upon viewing the listing.
Its benign enough not to offend, but specific enough to convey the intended meaning even if one doesn't view the list.
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I was at first very angered to see the title...after reading the post it makes sense and is not inflammatory, however occasionally inaccurate. Since there are many Jews who do follow Jesus. As well as the many more who do not of course and they would object likely even if they often are lumped in in Judeo-Christian tradition.
-Dan
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abondservant said:
How about Faith Tradition?
Its benign enough not to offend, but specific enough to convey the intended meaning even if one doesn't view the list.Sounds good.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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abondservant said:
How about Faith Tradition?
Its benign enough not to offend, but specific enough to convey the intended meaning even if one doesn't view the list.This sounds good to me also.
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Dan Francis said:
I was at first very angered to see the title...after reading the post it makes sense and is not inflammatory, however occasionally inaccurate. Since there are many Jews who do follow Jesus. As well as the many more who do not of course and they would object likely even if they often are lumped in in Judeo-Christian tradition.
-Dan
Its the side that doesn't follow Jesus that will be offended.
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fgh said:
(Perhaps we should even have an Atheist tag, for Dawkins and the like?)
I laughed at this statement in the beginning (thinking Atheist don't have a Bible), until I actually did a search and found one to exist.
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Thank you all for the thoughtful dialogue on this. We're in full agreement with you that this heading doesn't use the perfect choice of words, and we will have it updated. We began addressing it earlier this year and found it is a surprisingly difficult update to make, based on how changes to this header impact relationships to products throughout our entire product library. We've not lost sight of it, and will have it addressed as part of a full sidebar navigation update sometime in the future.
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I noticed, in connection with this, that the Store menu has a section called "Traditions" (which I think would be a better substitute for "Christian Group" in the sidebar):
The list on this menu is much shorter than the list in the sidebar, because it lists only those traditions that have their own base packages. But that's OK. They are both still the same category of terms.
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This comment troubles me the First Jewish Christian were Jews and Jewish Christians or Messianic Jews are Christians. Please do not change this setting
Rev. Jeffrey Kran M.Div Messianic Jewish Studies Talbot Seminary
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I am not disagreeing with any of your statements. Just wanting to make sure that the point trying to be made in this thread was Jews who did not affirm Jesus as Messiah would be offended to be called a Christian sect.Jeffrey Kran said:This comment troubles me the First Jewish Christian were Jews and Jewish Christians or Messianic Jews are Christians. Please do not change this setting
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Jeffrey Kran said:
This comment troubles me the First Jewish Christian were Jews and Jewish Christians or Messianic Jews are Christians. Please do not change this setting
You comment proves the confusion caused by the label used by Faithlife. If you look at the resources returned by filtering using that link, you'll see the label is not referring "Jewish Christians" or Messianic Jews, but Rabbinic Jewish thought in general (mostly JPS resources). I didn't see any products in the list that I would identify as "Messianic".
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Dan Francis said:
I am not disagreeing with any of your statements. Just wanting to make sure that the point trying to be made in this thread was Jews who did not affirm Jesus as Messiah would be offended to be called a Christian sect. -Danexactly
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Glenn Airoldi said:
Thank you all for the thoughtful dialogue on this. We're in full agreement with you that this heading doesn't use the perfect choice of words, and we will have it updated. We began addressing it earlier this year and found it is a surprisingly difficult update to make, based on how changes to this header impact relationships to products throughout our entire product library. We've not lost sight of it, and will have it addressed as part of a full sidebar navigation update sometime in the future.
Glenn, can we get an update on this?
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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We've not lost sight of this. Without digging too much into the details, we're not yet on a platform that is building site content and pages from resource metatdata. Each of these facets is set up by hand, and each product page on the site is manually attached to each facet. Any change in the "Group" requires a change in every single "Sub-Group", and then, every associated product page, all by hand. We're actively working on moving to the data driven model, which will allow us make this change, as well as many others.
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Glenn Airoldi said:
We're actively working on moving to the data driven model, which will allow us make this change, as well as many others.
I'm very glad to hear that. I've been worried that the Logos store has been creaking with regard to metadata, for some time.
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Glenn Airoldi said:
We're actively working on moving to the data driven model, which will allow us make this change, as well as many others.
That's great! [:D]
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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