New Feature: Case Frames Guide Section
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David Knoll said:
Very interesting. I'll read it through. Perhaps you could put a link to this glossary near the wheel so that the user would know where to find the definitions if he is puzzled.
I'm pretty sure Rick is following this thread. So, I'm certain a note will be made of this request. I would also mention that the definitions are available when you scroll over the lists below the wheel. Clicking on one of the roles should take you to the glossary.
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Thank You! I haven't noticed that.
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Jeremy Thompson said:David Knoll said:
Very interesting. I'll read it through. Perhaps you could put a link to this glossary near the wheel so that the user would know where to find the definitions if he is puzzled.
I'm pretty sure Rick is following this thread. So, I'm certain a note will be made of this request. I would also mention that the definitions are available when you scroll over the lists below the wheel. Clicking on one of the roles should take you to the glossary.
+[Y] When all else fails click everywhere. lol
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David Knoll said:
And the programmers need to set the default when you type Hebrew characters in BWS to Hebrew and not Aramaic. It is very annoying.
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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) said:
How does it work?
The distribution of case frames for the verb is shown by the ring graph, and a concordance of case frames is provided. Examining specific instances can help you understand what pieces of information to look for to better understand what is being communicated. For instance, if the verb is ἐσθίω (esthiō "to eat"), it is useful to identify the Agent (the entity eating) and the Patient (the entity being eaten).
What is the significance of [] ?
Example results has two lines with Patient surrounded by [] once:
- Agent - [Patient]
- Agent - Patient
Keep Smiling [:)]
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[ ] ==> implied or missing "required" element
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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This, in essence, is the fundamental problem with the lack of proper documentation. We are given features like this which sound very powerful. But for documentation we have very basic descriptions and definitions and not concrete examples of how to use them. For instance, I read Jeremy Thompson's blog. Thank you for posting it but, in my opinion, it stops short of demonstrating in what ways it can be useful and not just interesting. There should be several different and concrete illustrations of use.
When I go to the help menu, what I get is stuff like "searches helps you find things". "click on Bible to search Bibles"...
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The Lexham Glossary of Semantic Roles is quite helpful.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:
The Lexham Glossary of Semantic Roles is quite helpful.
Thanks [:)]
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What difference is indicated by the presence or absence of square brackets around a case names? For example, with προσκυνεω, the case tool distinguishes Agt-Exp from Agt-[Exp]. I'd expect that this means that the Experiencer is latent, not expressed, in the bracketed examples, but I can't see such a difference with προσκυνεω.
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The majority of instances of ἀκούω (akouō) are Experiencer—Content or Experiencer—[Content]. In Experiencer—Content instances, the Content is explicitly stated, whereas in the Experiencer—[Content] instances the Content is implied or stated in the surrounding context. An example of the first clause type is Matt 13:18:
Thompson, Jeremy. The Lexham Glossary of Semantic Roles. Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2014.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Van Parunak said:
What difference is indicated by the presence or absence of square brackets around a case names? For example, with προσκυνεω, the case tool distinguishes Agt-Exp from Agt-[Exp]. I'd expect that this means that the Experiencer is latent, not expressed, in the bracketed examples, but I can't see such a difference with προσκυνεω.
The example from the NASB translation of Matthew 28:17 can illustrate that a bit: "When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful." "Him" is not actually stated in the verse, but to worship implies that someone/something is worshiped (the experiencer) whether it is stated or not. Since in this case, it is not stated, the case frame has [Exp] instead of Exp.
What difference does it make? Well, when it says that Jacob worshiped at the head of his bed (Gen 47:31), the emphasis falls on the fact that he worshiped not who he worshiped. If the experiencer (God) was stated, there would be greater emphasis on whom is being worshiped.
This can be illustrated in the following examples:
"Christians worship" -- those who know Christians know they worship YHWH but stated as it is, it is only an activity. In that sense, Christians are like Muslims, or Jews. They too worship.
"Christians worship Jesus" -- identifies who is worshiped by whom. In that sense, Christians would not be like Jews. Different emphasis.
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Rokas said:
somehow I never noticed this (or was this implemented in Logos 6?),
This was available in Logos 5.
If this was available in 5, I just upgraded with the core to 6 and I found a Case Frames section doing a Word Study Guide, but there are no results for the same word and book selection given at the top of this thread. I tried selecting various Greek testaments and still get no results. What would be the steps to recreate this same example? Do I need to be in a different guide? Do I need to point it to a specific resource in the Case Frames settings?
Noting that I had 5.0 Silver and just got the engine core upgrade for 6.0, did I lose this feature in the upgrade? I was seeing many people saying you would not lose features. Did this one miss out in the upgrade?
Thanks!
Chris
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Excellent and clear explanation.
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Semantic role coding and case frames are new to Logos 6. The datasets required for them are in base packages at the Gold level and above.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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The Logos 6 Feature Crossgrade also has the datasets for case frames.
Windows 8.1 64-bit, Core i5-3330, 8GB RAM
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