Here is the link. https://www.logos.com/product/8495/encyclopaedia-of-religion-and-ethics
I hope this one goes through.
Let's send it faster to production. It has languished long enough.
Thank you!
I can go to £30 (i.e. $50 approx) but not much more
So bid £30
How is it you get these emails. I have never received one like this.
Shalom Kevin
I can go to £30 (i.e. $50 approx) but not much more So bid £30 How is it you get these emails. I have never received one like this. Shalom Kevin
If you get into your faith life profile you can select what type of emails you are sent out. It is important to elect special offers too since if that one is not selected you will not receive your Birthday gift certificate.
-Dan
I just went and checked. For some reason on 12/26/13, I changed my bid from $30 to $90. Anyway I do hope we can push this through.
Cliff
I asked...no, pleaded...with Logos to do this years ago. I hope this makes a difference. But I don't see how it can unless they DELETE the current bid process and start from scratch. That way, they owe no one any explanations or apologies and it can start the process at the right price right from the start.
Since that doesn't appear what is happening, I suppose it will have to wait for another 15 years for this to make it into production. Highly disappointing.
I can go to £30 (i.e. $50 approx) but not much more So bid £30
Then you don't deserve this, plain and simple. This could be the most important encyclopedia offered by Logos.
What really grinds my gears about this is that this set has infinitely greater value than the silly Galatians commentary upgrade that boneheads bid up to $80 and eventually closed close to $50. That collection has far less than 0.000000001% of the value, usefulness, and utility than this entire encyclopedia set has. The Oxyrhyncus papyri closed at well over $100, and that doesn't even register as having any weight or value at all compared to this.
I would rather have this set than any Silver base package that Logos sells across the board.
I can go to £30 (i.e. $50 approx) but not much more So bid £30 Then you don't deserve this, plain and simple. This could be the most important encyclopedia offered by Logos.
I don't deserve it either. So I've lowered my bid from $80 to $50. [;)]
And I just cancelled my bid for Interpreter's... [:P] I didn't really want it anyway, but some guy kept yammering about it so I placed a bid awhile back. With the money I save on that plus $20 I can get the Lutheran gold package.
jk...about cancelling...not about the price comparison.
I raised my bid to $70.
The bump at $70 is beginning to bulge a little bit, so maybe if more people in the $30 range raise their bids to $70 it would have a substantial effect.
I just raise my bid to help the cause.
Ok David, I looked at the product, the writeup, etc. I can't see the value (at $70). You must be seeing something that caused you to throw Ozy under the bus?
While everyone is watching the $70 bulge (an-ti-ci-pa-tion ....), consider the Logos writeup below. 'Editoritative' I initially thought someone did a search/replace on authoritative. So I googled 'editoritative'. That led to some evil servers, some odd press search/replaces ... and then there's Logos. Most curious is the upper-case 'E'.
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Projected prices is at $30 thats 91% off. I dont think it will pass at that discount.
Ok David, I looked at the product, the writeup, etc. I can't see the value (at $70). You must be seeing something...
I'm not saying everyone will see it...I don't see the value in the recent base packages that everyone is going nuts over, with all the Calvin, Luther, and papal bull. But I can say this: you will learn about things you've never heard of before. Granted, not all of it is Bible related. The encyclopedia covers "religion" and "ethics". But it includes some very interesting articles such as "Lock and Key", "Bene Israel" (about the community in Bombay, India that claims to be "children of Israel"), "Binding and Loosing", and other interesting topics. The key value in this set is that what it covers is typically covered in a much broader scope than you will find in nearly any other resource. Take, for instance, the subject head for "BODY" below...
...which, as you can see, approaches the subject from a variety of different cultures and perspectives. This will very likely provide you will research material you won't find elsewhere. Likewise for the heading "BULL" below...
...which provides info from cultural perspectives that are very germane to Biblical studies but are unlikely to be found elsewhere, especially in as condensed a form as is provided here. I will admit that some topics are hit-and-miss...but the hits are rich, detailed, and generally unreplicated elsewhere to the same depth and breadth, at least to my knowledge. If you have alternatives you think match what HERE offers, I'd like to know about them. There is more stuff on Buddhist and Hindu topics than I would prefer, but it is nevertheless all highly interesting and informative. Since my perspective is that all religious observance is derivative from Noah, I like to get rich nuggets of information that don't require too much time to acquire. I find that older resources, while obviously lacking in information "unearthed" in the last century of so, often have a depth and/or breadth that newer resources for whatever reasons don't seem to approach.
I am 1000% certain I will get my money's worth from this resources, and my bid is at the max. I happily placed my bid of approximately $250 when this was put on PrePub before being moved to CP. I bid on this a century ago (er, make that "last century" when they first offered this before L3 came out) before it was taken down for lack of interest. As has been pointed out, all the other Hastings titles are available or in production, and this is the only one remaining in CP limbo. At present this is one of the "most popular" CPs in terms of bids placed...the problem is that they completely torpedoed the bid chart by offering pricing incapable of sustaining the production costs. HERE has languages in it you've probably never seen before.
It is worth every penny of $70 and more in my opinion. It certainly is worth more than dozens upon dozens of things that have sold in Logos at the $50-$150 range.
... As has been pointed out, all the other Hastings titles are available or in production, and this is the only one remaining in CP limbo...
well, nearly. https://www.logos.com/product/6374/a-dictionary-of-the-bible had crossed many months ago but was put back into CP limbo since someone at Logos had confused the 5-vol dictionary's production cost estimate with a one volume resource. This is the #1 bestselling resource on CP and at 60%.
I don't know if large multivolume dictionaries from the public domain ever have a chance to see the light, unless Logos decides to put them into a base package. For whatever reason they didn't include the Catholic encylopedia in Verbum, and unless this changes I'm pessimistic about seeing this produced by Logos. Trailing HERE as the #3 bestselling resource it is currently at only 30% production cost estimate.
I'm not sure the percentage discount has a strong correlation with whether something will pass the finish line or not. Here's a multi-volume collection that is about to cross over the line at a 90% discount. It's pretty popular but isn't in the top 10 of bestsellers (it's #14 presently): https://www.logos.com/product/41731/classic-studies-on-the-kingdom-of-god-and-kingdom-of-heaven
And yet, here's the poor Century Dictionary (though granted it's 3 times as many pages so no doubt costlier to produce), sitting at barely over 20% of cost even though it is #15 in popularity, right after the Kingdom of God and Kingdom of Heaven collection, and is hovering at around 91% discount off a price that's only 2/3 more than that of the latter. We're already willing to pay 50% higher for this than for the Kingdom collection. But we ought to be willing to pay more (because the "Reg." price is 2/3 more, even 3 times as much (because the number of pages is that much higher). But even that wouldn't help get this classic dictionary over the finish line.
https://www.logos.com/product/8496/the-century-dictionary
I don't know if large multivolume dictionaries from the public domain ever have a chance to see the light
I'm afraid Mick is probably right.
OK ... thanks, David. Granted it's a big boy for a small price. But I'll likely sit this one out, having done much studying in the 'east', and familiar with western Christianized glosses. My present volume on the kachina vs Franciscans is turning out well.
But I will say that the Hastings CP volume I earlier got, turned out to be quite good. Apostolic Church. Of course it was tightly targeted. I'd say better than the parallel IVP one.
And I was 'in' on the Hastings CP that Mick mentions. That was really depressing; I saw no reason for the 1-volume, if the 5-volume. Now there's no 5-volume.
In effort to revive this and generate some traffic on this bid, I'd like to point out that Encyclopedia is spelled wrong in the title of this thread. Threw me off for a bit. [:P]
It isn't "wrong"...that's the way it is spelled in the title of this resource. It's actually the Latin ligature æ that has dropped out of favor since it is not easily available on keyboards.
Anybody realize that this is available in the (minimum) Diamond base package? [:O]
So it appears I do deserve it as I now have Logos 6 Portfolio
But I assume I will have to wait for the pre-pub before it actually arrives in my library?
Is there any advantage in keeping my bid active then - can't see it unless someone else can
Shalom
WOW - so it seems this title is already mine, in that its in a package I have. Trouble is, now my vote is grey and I can't increase my bid, so I guess that makes it less likely it goes over the line.
So how does that really work: adding it into a package just means we wont get it ever?
A policy update on how these are to handle is required from Faithlife - so we are clear and know what to expect
Faithlife?
I suspect once they add CPs to a package it means they are committed to producing them even if they don't go over the top in CP. They will likely leave them in CP as they're developing the resource, but once it's ready to ship, they'll just push it over the top artificially and everyone who owns the license for it already from a package will get it automatically. It shouldn't be too long now. I doubt they'd put it in a package unless they felt it was going to be ready to ship within a couple of months or so. It would be really odd to have customers with licenses to products that were vaporware for a long time.
Ah, well I that makes sense. There have been several times since I've last posted I would've like to have this in my library!
Anybody realize that this is available in the (minimum) Diamond base package?
There are actually a number of resources in CP that were included in the new base packages. See my post in the Logos 6 forum https://community.logos.com/forums/t/96710.aspx. It formed a big part of my justification for the upgrade as there were many resources in CP that I'd bid on and were now redundant.
I suspect once they add CPs to a package it means they are committed to producing them even if they don't go over the top in CP. They will likely leave them in CP as they're developing the resource, but once it's ready to ship, they'll just push it over the top artificially and everyone who owns the license for it already from a package will get it automatically. It shouldn't be too long now. I doubt they'd put it in a package unless they felt it was going to be ready to ship within a couple of months or so.
I believe you are exactly right, Rosie.
This, does, however, leave those of us who were hoping for a good CP price without any hope of that at all. Of course, seeing where it was headed (no where) I didn't have much hope anyway.
Functionally we can treat this as already in production with a new pre-pub price that hasn't yet been revealed.
Anybody realize that this is available in the (minimum) Diamond base package? There are actually a number of resources in CP that were included in the new base packages.
There are actually a number of resources in CP that were included in the new base packages.
Yes, I had noticed that, too...
It would seem that as part of one of my recent "worthless" base package purchases I picked up this encyclopedia likely at an insane discount. Just saying.
I still have hope base on this comment by Kent Hendricks:
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/92902/645790.aspx#645790
It's not completely clear, but it seems the CP price will still be valid for bidders.
I placed a $30 bid on this. Can anybody advise how one knows whether it has reached 100% and will be published? I can't quite tell from the faded green bar graph.
It's already in pre-publication, no doubt about it. You'll see it moving faster like lightning
I still have hope base on this comment by Kent Hendricks: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/92902/645790.aspx#645790 It's not completely clear, but it seems the CP price will still be valid for bidders.
I didn't read all that thread, but I wonder how Logos would do this as there is no CP price yet established. I don't know how Kent set that $40 price for Gill. Perhaps we can get this for the $30 it now suggests we place our bids for?
