Logos 7 - What should it offer?
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Unix said:
There are many reasons to have (...) as well and this is one of them and wouldn't be a simple matter to implement in Logos/Verbum. I haven't installed the Bible Review CD-ROM I bought nor even decided whether I myself or the friend I'll research together should have it:
Ben said:3. A title view in the library that treats series like one book. I don't even have that many resources ( 700ish), but when scrolling through my library, I end up scrolling really fast to get through dozens of Biblical Archaeology Review, Bible Review, and Biblical Archaeologist issues, where every issue is a separate title. And then I overshoot and miss whatever comes after. I guess I'm asking to add an expandable level in to the title view.
It seems to me that you spend an inordinate amount of time talking about other software. As much as you do so, I hope they are paying you for your efforts.
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There's really nothing wrong to have two softwares to maximize benefits if seeing the strengths of both, and naturally there are few forums where to discuss different softwares that have proprietary resources:
abondservant said:It seems to me that you spend an inordinate amount of time talking about other software. As much as you do so, I hope they are paying you for your efforts.
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Ben said:
- A title view in the library that treats series like one book. I don't even have that many resources ( 700ish), but when scrolling through my library, I end up scrolling really fast to get through dozens of Biblical Archaeology Review, Bible Review, and Biblical Archaeologist issues, where every issue is a separate title. And then I overshoot and miss whatever comes after. I guess I'm asking to add an expandable level in to the title view.
Great idea!
Charlene
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I have always wished for a notes view like the 'quotes' view but with my own comments below...
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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Fuzzy search!
There is seriously no reason why I should be forced to go to Google to find what verse in the Bible says something like "do not stop meeting together" as I had to the other day. Logos found no hits in all of my Bibles.
Google found it as the first hit.
That is just embarrassing, and unacceptable IMO. Logos is a Bible Search program par excellence. That it can't do this (especially when Logos 3 could) is beyond unbelievable to me. I unfortunately do not have a full installation of Libronix on my computer anymore with all my resources to test this, but if anyone who does would like to confirm that it could find this particular phrase, I'd be glad for extra support to my frustration. Anyway, even if Logos had never been able to do this in the past, I'd be frustrated that it can't.
I know you'll say "but Google has so many more employees and money to index so many pages, and this is such a hard problem, and we don't want to do it at all if we can't do it well [no wait, you wouldn't say that latter thing; that isn't usually how you operate [:)] ], and..." However you run a Bible software company and searching in the Bible is Logos's specialty. So no excuses anymore, OK? Just do it!
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Rosie Perera said:
There is seriously no reason why I should be forced to go to Google to find what verse in the Bible says something like "do not stop meeting together" as I had to the other day.
Rosie, I am not sure what you have in mind that would be different from what can be done using "search while typing" in Logos 6 (I used meeting together in All Bibles with search while typing and found it right away). The example you provide from Google is NOT a fuzzy search. I looked at the first two hits to check of what kind they were and one is mentioned in the poster's commentary on Hebrew 10:25 (can fuzzy search find something that is not there, ie, that particular string?) and the next one was from the International English Bible (never heard of it and as far as I know not available in Logos).
I am not contesting the need for fuzzy search, but just asking if you could clarify how it would differ from what can be done with "search while typing".
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Francis said:Rosie Perera said:
There is seriously no reason why I should be forced to go to Google to find what verse in the Bible says something like "do not stop meeting together" as I had to the other day.
Rosie, I am not sure what you have in mind that would be different from what can be done using "search while typing" in Logos 6 (I used meeting together in All Bibles with search while typing and found it right away). The example you provide from Google is NOT a fuzzy search. I looked at the first two hits to check of what kind they were and one is mentioned in the poster's commentary on Hebrew 10:25 (can fuzzy search find something that is not there, ie, that particular string?) and the next one was from the International English Bible (never heard of it and as far as I know not available in Logos).
I am not contesting the need for fuzzy search, but just asking if you could clarify how it would differ from what can be done with "search while typing".
Francis, the only thing "search while typing" does for you is lets you get the results while you type instead of typing the whole search string, hitting Enter, and then getting the results. I never use search while typing because the Search speed is fast enough for me and I don't care to be distracted by partial results or slow things down before I've finished typing what I'm searching for.
The significant difference between what you searched for and what I searched for was that I searched for a quoted phrase and you searched for two words without quotes. Sometimes that can help instead of doing a fuzzy search. I'm not sure how you managed to find Heb 10:25 so quickly with it though, because in my case it finds too much to be useful. Maybe I have many more Bibles than you have:
I could remove the quotes from around the phrase I was searching for to open up more possibilities, but unfortunately it still finds nothing:
I know that Google does not do a fuzzy search. But the fact that I can find something I'm looking for in Google when I can't find it in Logos means I'm turning to Google more often when I ought to be able to stay in Logos to do such searches. And if Logos brought back its fuzzy search from L3 then I wouldn't have to resort to Google. I don't mind going to Google. I have my browser up and running all the time anyway. But it's just kind of silly that Logos can't do a search like this.
What "fuzzy search" in Logos 3 did was not what you're talking about with "search while typing". It was smart enough to try leaving out certain words if your memory was only approximate, use different word forms (which we do already have the ability to do, but sometimes that can find way too much), use synonyms of words in your search criteria, etc. So it was really good at nailing what you were thinking of if you could only come up with some approximation of it. Basically it could save you taking multiples stabs at the search, using lots of different possible word orders, spellings, synonyms, combinations of keywords, and weeding out extraneous hits that were not likely to be what you were looking for based on the percentage of keywords. I really don't know what algorithm it used, and I'm sure it could have been improved upon, and I understand that it would have to be entirely rewrittenn now for the post L4 engine days where they now use a different sort of index for searching. But still it was quite impressive how often it was able to find what I was looking for when I couldn't remember enough of the verse to do a better search for it myself, and I miss that. I feel that in L4, 5, 6, the user has to do more work to find what they're looking for. And the response when people complain that they can't find what they're looking for is usually something along the lines of "do a better job of constructing your search and you'll be able to find it." I simply want Logos to be smarter.
BTW, there's an explanation of the old Fuzzy Search feature here: https://www.logos.com/products/lbs/lbsx21
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I have an idea for you Bob, how about you offer a base package for rent (like gold) for a first time user. Maybe at an affordable price ($50.00) for a month or two, as an easy way for someone to try it out. Now remember I said a first time user, that would make it easier for some of us to try to help people get past the sticker shock. Thanks.
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Yes Fuzzy search - I get fed up with my search box and go to google a lot!
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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When doing a search in Logos 7 that brings up a resource that I don't have in the results, it should prompt me when I click the link if I would like to read just that section for 99 cents for the next hour or 24 hours for example. I can see that being a nice revenue stream for Logos and a benefit for the users. This would be much more beneficial to me then a monthly subscription service.
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Xegesis said:
When doing a search in Logos 7 that brings up a resource that I don't have in the results, it should prompt me when I click the link if I would like to read just that section for 99 cents for the next hour or 24 hours for example. I can see that being a nice revenue stream for Logos and a benefit for the users. This would be much more beneficial to me then a monthly subscription service.
Great idea! [Y]
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Rosie Perera said:
I know that Google does not do a fuzzy search. But the fact that I can find something I'm looking for in Google when I can't find it in Logos means I'm turning to Google more often when I ought to be able to stay in Logos to do such searches. And if Logos brought back its fuzzy search from L3 then I wouldn't have to resort to Google. I don't mind going to Google. I have my browser up and running all the time anyway. But it's just kind of silly that Logos can't do a search like this.
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I have the same problem, and my reaction is the same - it's just silly. I remember a verse, but either don't have the wording exactly right, or don't remember which version I have memorized. Google almost always gives me what I want immediately, but Logos far too often doesn't.
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Unix said:
There's really nothing wrong to have two softwares to maximize benefits if seeing the strengths of both
Using them wasn't my objection. Logos forums are for Logos software.
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Francis said:Fr Devin Roza said:
Maybe that could also be used as a basis for a new Clippings tool that would replace the actual one? After all, it would be so much better if Clippings documents just acted like normal resources, were searchable as a normal resource, etc., etc., in a similar way to how I imagined a Preaching Toolbox working. Hmmm....
Yes, I lean in that direction because while you have a very specific application in mind, a tool that is more versatile could have other applications and be serviceable to building a "preaching toolbox".
Just to follow up on this, here is another type of application for Clipping that would work like this, that I think would be very common.
It is somewhat common among scholars who write long detailed works to hear that they have 1000s or 10s of 1000s of handwritten note files that they organize according to topics. I would love to be able to do something like this with Logos, but I would not personally use either Notes or Clippings as they are currently for something like this. They are missing some basic features that would make them useful for something like this, like searching, tables of contents, etc.
But I would definitely use a Clippings feature that worked like I described above for a Preaching Tacklebox for something like this. Especially if it included, in addition to what I mentioned above, a table of contents organized by Theme / Tag / Title (that's right, by all of them, one after another - or by selection of how you want to view the Table of Contents, with a virtual table of contents organized by Theme / Tag / Title, etc.... table of contents don't have to be organized only by Title, especially for entries that have tags / themes!).
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BriM said:
The orange circles that appear when navigating through a bible are very time-wasting in my workflow where I have a list of verses that I want to look up and copy – a couple of seconds each time to display orange circles is annoying. This also makes it slow to quickly move between passages if wanting to check something.
These are called "Visual Cues" and can be turned off in the General section of Program Settings.
Suggestion: auto-prompt user to turn [luxury, bling...] feature off if it is timed at >x seconds.
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Agree on Fuzzy search per Rosie's comment - I too go first to Google to search for phrases I may or may not exactly remember - whether it's Bible or a non-Bible resource.
I mention phrases etc. outside of the Bible - for me recently, I was trying to remember which saint prayed something to God like, "If this is how you treat your friends, it's no wonder you have so few of them". It would be a very useful reference for a homily - yet I couldn't remember.
So I go to Verbum:
Verbum gave me SO MANY hits, but none of them helpful. And I don't think any quotes would have helped, as it was not an exact search. I just didn't know what to do with this!
So then I went to Google - you see the difference - so easy! I also get some info to read to support the quote too.
I also laugh thinking about how I go to Google for search instead of Logos/Verbum for search, what is wrong with this picture. Topic search is very nice and useful but it is NOT fuzzy search.
By the way, if you search "if this is how you treat your friends it's no wonder you have so few of them" with the quotes, you get 0 hits in Verbum.
I also second Fr. Roza's idea of a preacher's toolbox and better clipping tool, I would add Notes too. I use Notes exactly for this - to grab, categorize, and "file" interesting thoughts that I would never think to search for again. I would then be able to easily search there and find things, but that is very hard to do in Notes of course because it does not highlight search results, which is another absurd thing in a software program that specializes in search. If Notes, Clippings, and other tools had better ways to manage and organize information we want to get back to it would be a great supplement to the resources and engine Logos offers today.
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Folks, for a variety of reasons which I will not detail here, comparing any in-app search with big G's is a little unfair... [:#]
Perhaps the feasible suggestion would be to revert to earlier functionality (assuming that it's not piggybacking off an online search engine)
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Lee said:
Folks, for a variety of reasons which I will not detail here, comparing any in-app search with big G's is a little unfair...
Perhaps the feasible suggestion would be to revert to earlier functionality (assuming that it's not piggybacking off an online search engine)
That's exactly the point. Fuzzy Search worked. We are not saying replace Google, we are saying that the post-Logos 3 strategy for search has failed to replace that feature effectively.
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Don Awalt said:
That's exactly the point. Fuzzy Search worked. We are not saying replace Google, we are saying that the post-Logos 3 strategy for search has failed to replace that feature effectively.
My subtle point also being that fuzzy search may be relying on some secret sauce which is not on the menu.
Recommendation: Don't belabour the point on this more generic thread. Let other suggestions get airtime too. Instead, go here.0 -
Lee said:
My subtle point also being that fuzzy search may be relying on some secret sauce which is not on the menu.
Libronix/Logos 3 had very limited internet/server support or its functionality, it's highly doubtful that there was any functionality for fuzzy search that was not on the user's computer. I am sure some who still have Libronix 3 installed can confirm that fuzzy search works when it's offline.
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Oh boy this one I'd have to think about...
Nathan Parker
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How does that work if you stop paying and set the software to never check the internet don't you still have the library for use?
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Don Awalt said:
Don, here's a little unsolicited tip (ignore it if you don't appreciate unsolicited tips [:)]): You were lucky that time that your search strategy didn't interfere with getting good results, but generally it's better in Google searches to leave off question words at the beginning such as "who said to god" because the pages that mention this quote are not likely to discuss it in the form of a question, and it might just be coincidental that the word "who" also happened to be on the pages that you found using that search.
Lots of people approach Google as if it were an Oracle: ask it a question and get the answer. But it's better to search for the key words in your query. Google is pretty smart and might know enough to weed out question words when it does a search, but there's no point typing them in anyway because it's just more keystrokes. So instead of typing questions into Google like who is the president of Ukraine, just type president Ukraine and you'll get the same answer but with less typing.
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Allow two or more copies of the Collections tab to be open at a time.
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[Y] Hoping that it will get implemented in a revision of L6:
Rosie Perera said:Allow two or more copies of the Collections tab to be open at a time.
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Bob Pritchett said:
Wait -- I already know the answer! "Fix annoying-thing in Logos 6 first!" :-)
Not funny. I joined Logos at v4 and upgraded to 5 and 6 immediately they were released. After my experience of upgrading to L6 (blame it on Apple etc), I will not be upgrading to L7 for at leat 6 months to a year after its release.
I will submit my ideas to user voice.
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I would like to request more user friendly services for people in a group Bible study section including one finger Windows (and Android) Tablet touch with larger buttons on all platforms to get to Book, Chapter, and verse.
Please also speed it up....I had such lag yesterday....while leading a group it was very embarrassing. (You know everyone is thinking - "Why doesn't he just open an actual Bible?")
Think of things users who do not read in Greek or Hebrew need please next time.
Finally, please make the front screen with an ad-free ability and pull from devotional material and books like it used to in previous version please. I know I can make a layout but I should not have to.
More items like Not Your Average Bible Study and Abraham bible studies please. Sell them as a cheap addon to your next iteration please. I am desperate for one-off Bible studies please....good ones not geared exclusively for brand new unbelievers but also not forgetting them. Serendipty Bible like materials would be nice!
Since you like to sell packages and addons lately - why not a very inexpensive mix of useful commentaries - call it Baptist Bible/Commentary or something. I predict it would sell like hotcakes. I haven't checked how its geared or authored yet but the OPENING UP series I used for Luke last night in Bible study was really a blessing.
I continue to feel that Logos is not gearing things for us...well...lowbrow still-getting-educated types. You would all clean up with a set of background commentaries and real simple expositional commentaries. Partner inexpensively with those writing them please. Better yet saddle up to Zondervan and please get the Ilustrated Background Commentary reduced in cost so more people can buy and use it please.
Sermon starter needs work too....most of us do NOT want/need to do topical sermons and this feature seems to assume we do. Please imagine a first time seminarian getting up in the pulpit when you redesign this feature please.
Blessings and Merry Christmas,
Joshua In Rhode Island
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John and Rosie are awesome...please listen and work with them!
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JoshInRI said:
Finally, please make the front screen with an ad-free ability and pull from devotional material and books like it used to in previous version please. I know I can make a layout but I should not have to.
You can actually get rid of most of the adverts on the Home Page by clicking on the wheel on the top right corner of the Home Page (next to the update information). Most adverts tell you where they come from (things like My Logos Messages) and you can uncheck these. These were a feature of the L5 Home Page as well. You can also check here to get devotionals displayed on the Home Page and "From Your Library" extracts so I think all the things you are asking for on the Home Page are actually already available in L6 simply by tweaking the settings. It is possible more of them are "on" by default on theL6 Home Page but I am certainly not seeing any more advertising on L6 than I did on L5.
Also, the sort of commentary series you are asking for are already available - as well as the "Opening up ..." series, the Bible Speaks Today and the Tyndale commentaries would be good examples, as would Tom Wright and John Goldingay's "For Everyone" commentaries (in fact, I am not sure I'd necessarily regard them as commentaries). Maybe they should be incorporated into Base Packages or bundles (in fact I think BST is in one of the Anglican BPs). BST comes up on sales at various times at very good prices. The two IVP background commentaries also fill the gap you are talking about - the New Testament one is currently on sale at over 30% off. In fact the IVP Essential Reference Collection is something I used before I had any theological education, but still find useful now.
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Thanks Greg. My entire homepage is a deluge of ads by default. I will begin adjusting.
Merry Christmas Sir - Jesus Reigns!
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Rosie Perera said:
Allow two or more copies of the Collections tab to be open at a time.
Amen and Amen! [:D]
Charlene
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Charlene said:Rosie Perera said:
Allow two or more copies of the Collections tab to be open at a time.
Amen and Amen!
Thankful can use two applications today to have Library and Collections open in each application, which is helpful when working on collection rules and tagging. More Collection and Library tabs open at the same time in one application would be appreciated.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Bob Pritchett said:
And after you've helped us prioritize the Logos 6.x path, post your crazy / wild / big idea for Logos 7 here. Should we have a new data set?
I would love to see a data set tied to hymns and other such resources Logos already provides that would integrate into one of the guides (probably the Sermon Starter guide).
Bob Pritchett said:A completely new feature area?
I'd love to see a worship elements feature that would aid in worship planning. Although we don't use Proclaim, I'd expect this to be tightly integrated with it, but be located in the Logos environment and take advantage of Logos resources.
Bob Pritchett said:More teaching material? A cuneiform word processor? Scanned images of original manuscripts? Manual categorization of theologians?
The answer to all of those questions from me is "No."
Bob Pritchett said:Bible words tagged by emotive impact?
Could be interesting, depending on how "emotive impact" is defined and tagged. I suppose this would have to be done with respect to original language texts, and original cultural setting, rather than translations, since too often the emotive impact is lost in translation, or added by the translation. I would hope that many of the parables of Jesus would include "humor" as the emotive impact. But this gets complicated very quickly by both linguistic and cultural differences. It would almost become a kind of Bible background commentary, or rely heavily upon them.
In addition to what you brought up:
I'd love to see what you did with Psalms and Proverbs extended to Isaiah (for starters), and other poetic Biblical literature.
I would love to see the Topical stuff in all the guides be able to handle synonyms, and group by synonymous meaning. IMHO, I find the topical stuff to be the least helpful of all the stuff in the guides.
I would love to see Logos develop a base package or robust collection of material on Christian social justice, as well as something that targets some of the other remaining, as yet under-served streams of Christianity (Mennonites, e.g.).
I would love to see Logos develop a library management system that would allow us to manage our libraries in ways that parallel academic libraries (i.e., Library of Congress catalog system, Dewey Decimal, etc.). This would mean tagging all resources with these cataloging features, or developing an easy way for users to do so (based on downloadable, or cloud-based catalogs?).[I did not read every post on this thread before posting this. So, if there is overlap, or a better way of stating some of these things, I defer.]
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Back up my index periodically, so that when/if it crashes I can go back to the old one and only have to build (maybe) a supplemental index.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Rich DeRuiter said:
I'd love to see what you did with Psalms and Proverbs extended to Isaiah (for starters), and other poetic Biblical literature.
Good suggestion! I was thinking about this as well. Perhaps something like a "Biblical Poetry Explorer." There are substantial sections of poetry embedded even in the Torah and the Former Prophets / historical books (e.g., Gen 49; Exod 15; Num 23, 24; Deut 32, 33; Judges 5; 1 Sam 2; 2 Sam 1, 22, 23). There are many short poetical passages as well (e.g., Gen 2:23; 4:23–24; 9:25–27; Gen 27:27–29).
On a related note, although in some cases it may be too much to ask, it would be great to have some of these data sets and "interactive media" tools integrated together better so that they could be easily viewed, used, or accessed (by toggling between them or any other means) from the same biblical text (e.g., discourse databases, propositional outlines, psalms/proverbs explorers, along w/ other tagging, etc.). I don't necessarily mean displaying all that data at one time because obviously many data sets and tools may be focused on different aspects, features, or levels of the text, which may make such integration impractical and undesirable. I do hope, however, that the content team continues to keep integration in mind with respect to content, tools, and the user-interface—just as they have done so well with many data sets and features already. That said, if better integration meant not having, for example, the Psalms Explorer, I would sacrifice better integration (e.g., displaying morphology, sense data, etc.).
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I am not very smart in doing analytical work. I hope that you can continue to improve the abilities of the software to "read our minds."
Logos is a high-powered piece of software. And I am not a total idiot, usually. But I am still only using a fraction of the capabilities of the program.
I think Logos should pay someone "like" Morris Proctor to do Morris-Proctor level videos for free. We've already invested so much in the program.
I realize that Faithlife does make videos to post on youtube. But I am asking for more, for better.
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Over the years I have accumulated a lot of notes. How about a preview of a note when hovering the mouse over it?
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Lynden Williams said:
Over the years I have accumulated a lot of notes. How about a preview of a note when hovering the mouse over it?
That works already - what are you seeing?
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Graham Criddle said:Lynden Williams said:
Over the years I have accumulated a lot of notes. How about a preview of a note when hovering the mouse over it?
That works already - what are you seeing?
Hovering my mouse over any of them does not give a preview.
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Lynden Williams said:
Hovering my mouse over any of them does not give a preview.
Sorry - you meant in the Documents menu not in a resource.
Would you want this to preview the first note in a Document or preview all of them?
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Graham Criddle said:Lynden Williams said:
Hovering my mouse over any of them does not give a preview.
Sorry - you meant in the Documents menu not in a resource.
Would you want this to preview the first note in a Document or preview all of them?
Preview when hovering over the note
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Lynden Williams said:
Preview when hovering over the note
Sorry - I must be missing your point.
In the Documents menu you just find Notes Documents not individual notes so you can't "hover over a note".
Are you suggesting that the menu be extended so individual notes are shown as well?
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I often type my sermons in notes. As in my example, I would like to hover my mouse over the name of the note and see a preview.
The note is not attached to any Bible passage.
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I've not read all of the thread. My single biggest suggestion for L7:
DO SOMETHING ABOUT ALL THE MISSING LINKS.
I use Logos primarily as a fancy ebook reader. In most things it's great, and I use only a small fraction of its capabilities. It frustrates me considerably, though, as my library grows, that so many of my books aren't link together properly. This to me is Logos's biggest shortcoming.
Besides going back and fixing older resources, I've made some suggestions in another thread
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-Run some automated macros on the old books to see what references they can catch and automatically link. Have a human check questionable ones at the end. When in doubt, don't link. This should be able to improve some resources with little added cost. It wouldn't catch everything, but I'd rather have 40 or 50 or 80% of citations [of resources not yet tagged] have working links than 0.
-For the example you posted: there's no reason why the software shouldn't be able to grab the reference after the book that's already partially tagged--e.g., it should be able to look ahead from TDNT to 9:189-219, grab it and intelligently parse the link.
-Why can't we right click on some text like "TDNT" and be able to have the software search our library to see if there is a title that matches? If we can't have links for everything, that would at least save us some clicking on getting it open.
-Similarly, why can't we right-click on text, have the software intelligently parse it, and throw it up on the command line for opening? If I type "Open TDNT" up there, it will open. If I go to the locator bar in TDNT and type "9:189-219" it will go there. Why can the software intelligently parse this for me if I right click on it and tell it to, even if it isn't tagged?
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That would be an awesome feature:
Sean said:-Similarly, why can't we right-click on text, have the software intelligently parse it, and throw it up on the command line for opening? If I type "Open TDNT" up there, it will open. If I go to the locator bar in TDNT and type "9:189-219" it will go there. Why can the software intelligently parse this for me if I right click on it and tell it to, even if it isn't tagged?
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Adam Olean said:
On a related note, although in some cases it may be too much to ask, it would be great to have some of these data sets and "interactive media" tools integrated together better so that they could be easily viewed, used, or accessed (by toggling between them or any other means) from the same biblical text (e.g., discourse databases, propositional outlines, psalms/proverbs explorers, along w/ other tagging, etc.). I don't necessarily mean displaying all that data at one time because obviously many data sets and tools may be focused on different aspects, features, or levels of the text, which may make such integration impractical and undesirable. I do hope, however, that the content team continues to keep integration in mind with respect to content, tools, and the user-interface—just as they have done so well with many data sets and features already. That said, if better integration meant not having, for example, the Psalms Explorer, I would sacrifice better integration (e.g., displaying morphology, sense data, etc.).
I agree with Adam! Better integration means better accessibility. But Logos 6 has already implemented some of it. The inline search would be one example. Or the Information tool showing Literary Typing, Cultural Concepts, Semantic Feature etc. But I still have a few things I'd like to be able to access with one or two clicks, especially from within a Bible resource. This would include syntactic force, semantic roles etc.
Another suggestion concerns the notes. I know that many have commented on the note system that is within Logos already. And it seems that many are not happy with the way it is and functions right now. Maybe two things could be improved and implemented. One, it would be nice if we could stack notes documents together. To compare it with Evernote, in Evernote you have your notebooks with individual note files in it. This would be the note documents with its notes in Logos. But in Evernote you have the option to stack notebooks together. In Logos something like this would help us to better organize our notes. They could be stacked by topic, Bible reference, Bible books etc. And two, it would be really nice if we from within the right click menu could choose the correct note document to attach a note or highlighting to. So often I find myself wanting to add a note or highlighting but usually the right note document is not open. Or a particular note goes to another note document than the one I'm working with. If Logos would add the option to open the correct note document to the right click menu that would be a great help.
Also, it appears that if you set a style as a default, it becomes the default for every note document. This should be saved as a default for just that one note document. Because naturally each note document will have a different style, so as to separate and distinguish different kinds of notes. But maybe this is already possible.0 -
Schumitinu said:
But in Evernote you have the option to stack notebooks together. In Logos something like this would help us to better organize our notes. They could be stacked by topic, Bible reference, Bible books etc.
Have you looked at Favorites as a way of organising your notes? See https://wiki.logos.com/Favorites#The_power_of_Favorites for some background
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Graham Criddle said:
Have you looked at Favorites as a way of organising your notes? See https://wiki.logos.com/Favorites#The_power_of_Favorites for some background
Yes, good idea!
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Bob Pritchett said:
Wait -- I already know the answer! "Fix annoying-thing in Logos 6 first!" :-)
And we will! Multiple Logos 6.x releases are already scheduled, and you can help us prioritize improvements, optimizations, etc.
Visit http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6, which has just been updated to reflect Logos 6 changes.
Re-distribute your votes! Sort by 'Hot' or 'New' to look for things that aren't already at the top of the list.
We really do pay attention to UserVoice -- it's one of the best ways to get your request to the top of our list.
And after you've helped us prioritize the Logos 6.x path, post your crazy / wild / big idea for Logos 7 here. Should we have a new data set? A completely new feature area? More videos? More teaching material? A cuneiform word processor? Scanned images of original manuscripts? Manual categorization of theologians? Bible words tagged by emotive impact?
A cuneiform word processor, YES!!
More videos, YES!
Scanned images of original manuscripts, YES!
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