Most of the time I want to suggest a book in Logos, it's too late. I need the book now. So I'm going to post in this thread every time I purchase a non-Logos book, in the hope that it will help Logos know what sort of books Logos users buy outside the Logos ecosystem.
Today it was two books by Ed Welch
And a few weeks ago it was:
Most of the time I want to suggest a book in Logos, it's too late. I need the book now. So I'm going to post in this thread every time I purchase a non-Logos book, in the hope that it will help Logos know what sort of books Logos users buy outside the Logos ecosystem. Today it was two books by Ed Welch Addictions — A Banquet in the Grave: Finding Hope in the Power of the Gospel (P&R) Crossroads Facilitators Guide: A Step-By-Step Guide Away From Addiction (New Growth Press) And a few weeks ago it was: Encounters with Jesus: Unexpected Answers to Life’s Biggest Questions by Tim Keller (Penguin)
Studies in the Sermon on the Mount by Martyn Lloyd Jones.
I agree this is a good idea that could be helpful to Logos. They need to be aware of what we need, and what we are buying. They know what they are selling to us already, but they don't know the sales that they are missing.
However, I do not want to advertise for other publishers. So I will not put a link or tell where I purchased a book. Anyone can find the book through Google. But I don't feel right posting an advertisement for someone else on Logos' forum.
I think what we need is about 2500 new religions and another Bible translation, something ridiculous, you know, like the new one just out ... what is that one called -------- OH YES, The Living Log Translation, I mean The Living Tree Translation. That's it!!! Definitely!!!
Now where was I --- oh, now I remember --- I was knitting my next toaster out of steel wool.
Today it was Water from a Deep Well: Christian Spirituality from Early Martyrs to Modern Missionaries by Gerald L. Sittser
My latest Kindle purchase that I would have preferred to get in Logos was:
Dissonant Pieties: John Calvin and the Prayer Psalms of the Psalter by Paul A. Riemann (Wipf & Stock, 2013)
Lack of What's New on Christmas Collection product pages plus slow response by Logos Sales = no sale purchases.
Keep Smiling [:)]
This being 2015 ... personally I think it's not too good to mention that one has bought this or that from another electronic vendor. Couldn't we make suggestions, just suggestions? If so, can we move on from the premise of this thread?
A blessed 2015 to everyone! [<:o)]
Lee, I don't see it in quite the same light you do. I would think it useful for Logos to know what their users are buying as an effective way to plan for products that may shift the direction or balance of their acquisitions. I list things I think would quickly get out of pre-pub or community pricing as suggestions. Here I list things I've actually purchased because I need it now ... without thinking if other would be interested.
The problem is probably that the sample size of the thread is too small to be statistically significant. But as it is in the Suggestion forum it ought to be as effective as a series of threads.
Lee, if you intend to continue in this vein, you will need this.
@MJ:
I realize that this opinion may not be shared by the "red stars" posting in this thread, but I'm just not too comfortable with the tone "Logos you just lost a sale". I have the feeling that suggestions can be crafted in a different, more appropriate way. Information is not only presented to Logos that one has bought something and where, but also openly to anyone who comes across the thread.
@George Somsel:
Thanks for that attempt at humour. I don't intend to take up the role of "special officer", and I have no intention of being drawn into a flame war with you. But this is yet another ad hominem from you, which marks you as a claimant of that badge. You should get one for your 38th birthday.
I realize that this opinion may not be shared by the "red stars" posting in this thread, but I'm just not too comfortable with the tone "Logos you just lost a sale" and detailing what one has bought elsewhere. I have the feeling that suggestions can be crafted in a different, more appropriate way.
The subject line that Mark used for this thread was perhaps a bit blunt, but if you read his opening message it's given with all kindness as a help to Logos to see where people are finding that they can't get what they need from within the Logos ecosystem. Mark is the gentlest soul I could ever imagine meeting in an online forum, and I'm sure he never intended this thread to be a slam against Logos.
Suggestions are things we'd like to see in Logos but we're not going to buy elsewhere because we can wait. This thread is for stuff that we just weren't able to wait on.
I have never heard any Logos employee expressing disapproval of this thread at all.
I like that you turned New Year's Day into a chance to set a more positive tone, and perhaps you're right, perhaps it is time for this thread to die. I'm the first one who posted to it in the New Year, so I take full responsibility for keeping it alive perhaps longer than it should have been. I would like to hear what someone from Faithlife thinks about it, though, before we do much more handwringing about it being offensive to them.
To clarify: I don't think motives are a problem at all. I think most posts in this thread have been genuinely wanting to contribute to the F.L. eco-system, including Mark's, and yours. [:)]
I would request, though, that you do not associate my opinion with words like "slam", "handwringing" and "offensive". I was just expressing an opinion, a mild, and arguably feeble, opinion. [:)]
I would request, though, that you do not associate my opinion with words like "slam", "handwringing" and "offensive". I was just expressing an opinion, a mild, and arguably feeble, opinion.
I'm sorry, Lee. I can sometimes be overly melodramatic in my writing style.
Lee, if you think "red stars" share many opinions ... we are definitely as diverse in our opinions as the forums as a whole. We do, however, tend to keep our disagreements out of the public eye as we volunteer for the good of the forums as a whole. I do understand your qualms and if you have a specific suggestion of a title for the thread that would serve the same purpose, please share it.
You're quite right that suggestions can be crafted in different ways, and I do that frequently. But I felt there was a difference between (a) I'd quite like this book and I'd consider buying it if comes in Logos, and (b) I needed this book so much that I've bought it for a far inferior platform.
Personally, I thought the distinction might be helpful for Logos. I'm sorry if it comes across as overly harsh.
Lee, if you think "red stars" share many opinions ... we are definitely as diverse in our opinions as the forums as a whole.
I disagree. (Sorry, I couldn't resist! [:)])
I do understand your qualms and if you have a specific suggestion of a title for the thread that would serve the same purpose, please share it.
Thanks for the banter, guys. It keeps the discussion jovial and productive,
I was thinking of suggestions along the lines of: I needed this urgently so I got this elsewhere (no specifics), but this would be great in Logos. The thread title would be the usual.
I needed this urgently so I got this elsewhere (no specifics), but this would be great in Logos. The thread title would be the usual.
That sounds good to me.
I needed this urgently so I got this elsewhere (no specifics)
I nearly always include a link to the Amazon page for a book when I make a suggestion for a book (whether I've bought it there or elsewhere or not at all), as a help for looking up all the specifics that Faithlife would need to look up to get it into their future titles database (publisher, year, ISBN), and so that they can see a book description to decide whether they even want to go after it or not. Like it or not, Amazon has earned its role as a defacto book catalog. Links to there are not intended as referrals but merely informational.
I used to do that too. Recently I switched to linking to publishers' online catalogs (which are more of a trend nowadays). It just takes a little more work on my part.
Yeah, I sometimes do that, especially for scholarly tomes where it would be helpful to see the Table of Contents as Amazon doesn't have those (unless a reviewer has posted it). But it's also good to see readers' comments, which the publisher page doesn't usually have.
Lately I've been preparing a spreadsheet with all my recent suggestions (including columns for title, author, publisher, date) to send to Faithlife's Electronic Text Development department. I know they say they pick up all the suggestions from the forums, but seeing how often other things on the forums fall through the cracks (I've found bugs reports of mine from more than two years ago that were never responded to and are still problems), I can't be too sure.
Sometimes I think if I ever worked for Faithlife, it would be in this capacity of scouring the Internet for good books for them to get and working on the database of books they would hope to acquire the rights to. I really enjoy doing this sort of thing! [:)]
David Platt's title on James (3$ on amazon), and his commentary on Mathew (10$).I really want the entire "Exalting Jesus" commentary series in Logos.I just broke down and ordered as much of the set as is out:Galatians, Ephesians, 1,2,3 John, Mark, 1 &2 Timothy, Titus, etc....There are 4 at the 3$ price point....
Men of Character: Samuel
This situation is especially crazy, because Vyrso had all of these books separately, but they have disabled their separate purchase and do not give prorated discounts for any books in the "Men of Character:" series that users might already have.
Anthony Selvaggio - The Seven Signs: Seeing the Glory of Christ in the Gospel of John ($4.99 on kindle).
I've suggested it here. There are currently Selvaggio books in both Logos and Vyrso.
I just bought:
It is naïve to even think that Logos will/can provide all of the resources that one may want/need. To rely solely on Logos for contemporary needs is folly.
I agree, but it is an interesting point. Every dollar spent through Logos is taken away from Amazon (which I'm happy about because it's clear to me that Faithlife is a much more ethical employer than Amazon). I'm surprised that publishers aren't more eager to work with companies such as Logos because they may be able to get obtain deals on their books.
In my view, the way to have Logos publish more books is for authors/publishers to think about Logos when writing/publishing and to even push for their manuscripts to be available in Logos before Amazon. For that to happen, all major seminaries/bible colleges/theology faculties etc. would need to buy into Logos, rather than a competitor, and so it would become a default go-to place.
Sometimes I think if I ever worked for Faithlife, it would be in this capacity of scouring the Internet for good books for them to get and working on the database of books they would hope to acquire the rights to. I really enjoy doing this sort of thing!
Given that I suspect I'm likely to share at least some of your taste in books, I suggest that you send your CV to Faithlife and ask for a position...
Sometimes I think if I ever worked for Faithlife, it would be in this capacity of scouring the Internet for good books for them to get and working on the database of books they would hope to acquire the rights to. I really enjoy doing this sort of thing! Given that I suspect I'm likely to share at least some of your taste in books, I suggest that you send your CV to Faithlife and ask for a position...
They should hire Ted Hans—he never met a book he didn't like. [:D] That's OK, Ted, we love you anyway.
They should hire Ted Hans—he never met a book he didn't like. That's OK, Ted, we love you anyway.
George, George, George, as we say in London, england - Tea is served. So i will not make a comment[:P].
They should hire Ted Hans—he never met a book he didn't like. That's OK, Ted, we love you anyway. George, George, George, as we say in London, england - Tea is served. So i will not make a comment.
George, George, George, as we say in London, england - Tea is served. So i will not make a comment.
It's a good thing you noted that it is London, England or I might have concluded that it was London, Ontario, Canada. [;)] [:D]
BTW: One lump, no milk. Also, if you have a slice of lemon, that would be appreciated. [C]
According to Plan
http://www.amazon.com/According-Plan-Unfolding-Revelation-Bible-ebook/dp/B00CWB7FV2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1423579826&sr=8-1&keywords=according+to+plan
This book has been suggest many times, it is by IVP a long time partner of Logos. I just had to purchase it for a class, I could not wait on Logos any longer. What gives Logos? Get your act together and publish some of these high demand/highly rated books that have been suggested for years now.
Defending Inerrancy by Geisler, Roach, and foreword by Packer
http://www.amazon.com/Defending-Inerrancy-Affirming-Scripture-Generation-ebook/dp/B006CQ8I46/
Cant miss for 3$
I just bought Kenton Sparks book, God's Word in Human Words on Kindle.
His Sacred Word, Broken Word is available on Logos, but not his first one
I just bought John White's The Fight on Kindle.
I enjoy finding out what folks are reading.
Sources and Contexts of the Book of Concord
Already suggested through other channels, but worth adding to this thread.
Finally cracked and bought the paper copy of James Denney: An intellectual and contextual biography as it somehow didn't make it into Logos with the rest of the series.
Mark,
Do you or anyone knows what it cost (the process, time, and the procedure) Faithlife to make a book available to its customers?
