Importing resources from Kindle

Greetings from a Logos 6 newbie --

I see that Logos 6 allows me to send documents to my Kindle account. I'd like to go the other way... I've invested a pretty significant sum into books from Kindle, and want to add those to collections in Logos 6. Is there any way to import those resources?

Thanks,

Mark

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JT (alabama24)

Welcome Mark! [:)]

The short answer is, "maybe." You can import any text you would like in the msft word (.docx) format. It is possible to convert kindle books to that format, but you will need to know and understand the laws in your jurisdiction to know if that is permissible.

Rosie Perera

Hi Mark, welcome to Logos and the Logos forums.

Most Kindle books have DRM (digital rights management) so they are locked and cannot be exported to other formats. There might be some ways around this but it would probably be illegal unless the works are in the public domain (and I don't really know the laws about all of this anyway, and Alabama is right, it probably varies from country to country). It would be a lot of manual work anyway to convert each one to a .docx file that could then be set up as a Personal Book in Logos and compiled (built) within Logos.

You know you can make Collections within the Kindle app for Windows (and I assume for Mac as well)? They would not be integrated with your Logos collections of course. And Kindle doesn't have a way of searching across more than one book, which is lame. Maybe someday they will. But at least making Kindle Collections can help you organize all your books. I use Kindle Collections quite extensively. I have collections for various categories, and also for books TO READ, ones I'm READING, and ones I've FINISHED (just as I tag books in Logos with those three tags).

toughski

Greetings from a Logos 6 newbie --

I see that Logos 6 allows me to send documents to my Kindle account. I'd like to go the other way... I've invested a pretty significant sum into books from Kindle, and want to add those to collections in Logos 6. Is there any way to import those resources?

Thanks,

Mark

Technically, yes, it is possible. But may I ask "Why?" Aside from Logos automatically linking Biblical references (the ones it can parse) and the ability to annotate (giving you searchable notes and clippings) - there are no other benefits (that I can see).

Would be interested to hear your reasoning.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/682301#Comment_682301

Aside from Logos automatically linking Biblical references (the ones it can parse) and the ability to annotate (giving you searchable notes and clippings) - there are no other benefits (that I can see).

This one I've bolded would be a big one, though you can annotate in Kindle. And I wouldn't sneeze at having Biblical references linked either, if I hadn't read the book yet. I've bought a lot of books in Kindle that I haven't gotten around to reading yet. Might want to read them in Logos instead to be able to easily look up the Scripture references as I went through, if they were that type of book.

The biggest however, would be to be able to have Logos searches include those books in your searches. If you'd bought a lot of theological works in Kindle that weren't available in Logos, what a dream it would be to have those included in Collections that you could search through for whatever you're researching! I've often wished I could search in Kindle across all my books (or at least all my books in my "Theology" collection). But nope. Can only search within one book at a time. Lame. Logos rocks!

toughski

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/682301#Comment_682301

Format shifting now legal in the UK

The exception is limited to personal use of lawfully obtained originals, and does not allow any sharing of the works, including with close family members. It also does not allow for the removal of any anti-copy technical protection measures, including those found on most DVDs and Blu-Ray discs.

"There has grown up in the minds of certain groups in this country the notion that because a man or corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years, the government and the courts are charged with the duty of guaranteeing such profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary to public interest. This strange doctrine is not supported by statute or common law. Neither individuals nor corporations have any right to come into court and ask that the clock of history be stopped, or turned back."

Robert Heinlein

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/682314#Comment_682314

Format shifting now legal in the UK

Wow, that's new to me. I think it's been legal in the US (and Canada?) for audio recordings for some time (at least since the era of LP records to tape). But not digital books. Not sure about movies, but I think not. I would love for it to be available for books. I wonder how Logos gets to do its "Send to Kindle" feature legally if we aren't allowed to do it the other way?

Cool quote from Heinlein!

toughski

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/682317#Comment_682317

Re: UK format shifting - it is a 2014 development. June or July, I think.

Copyright law is terribly complex. The gist of it - every detail is crucial. Under Fair-Use, just because music can be format-shifted, does not mean movies or books necessarily can be. What applies to Blu-Ray, may not apply to sheet music, etc.

the gray area exists because what is legal (or illegal) does not necessarily mean ethical (or unethical). Take abortion for example.

Many laws are so out of touch with technology (and common sense) that they unfairly discriminate against consumers in favor of copyright owners - encouraging purchases of the same book twice or more (paperback, Kindle, PDF, ePub, etc.)

By the way, while doing research for this topic, I stumbled across a company that digitizes paper books very cheap: 1dollarscan dot com.

This is a great way to turn your legally purchased paper books into PDFs and ultimately import them into Logos strictly for personal use, of course.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/682321#Comment_682321

By the way, while doing research for this topic, I stumbled across a company that digitizes paper books very cheap: 1dollarscan dot com.

This is a great way to turn your legally purchased paper books into PDFs and ultimately import them into Logos strictly for personal use, of course.

That's good to know about if you don't mind having your paper version destroyed in the process. I'm still keeping most of my paper books, so I wouldn't likely use that service.

JohnB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/682326#Comment_682326

That's good to know about if you don't mind having your paper version destroyed in the process. I'm still keeping most of my paper books, so I wouldn't likely use that service.

The only damage I get with books is the paper back ones which get a bent spine. Hard back where the back can be bent back get no damage. I have a flat bed scanner and scan directly into Omnipage which OCRs the book page by page and then I can export the resultant text into Word. At its best there is very little correction needed, at the worst each page is placed into a text box in word and has to be extracted by copy and paste. grrrr

I had no idea that format shifting was legal in the UK now and I live here!

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/682314#Comment_682314

It also does not allow for the removal of any anti-copy technical protection measures,

I'm sure Amazon will argue that they add anti-copy technical protection measures to Kindle books.