Does anyone know why some books do not have page numbers? Is it a publisher issue? Is it a cost of production issue?
For example: https://vyrso.com/product/39528/the-world-and-the-word-an-introduction-to-the-old-testament
Does anyone know why some books do not have page numbers? Is it a publisher issue? Is it a cost of production issue? For example: https://vyrso.com/product/39528/the-world-and-the-word-an-introduction-to-the-old-testament
Vyrso resources are "bare bones" rather than "value added" like "logos edition" resources. The books are automatically converted from the publisher eBook files which most often don't have page numbers.
Vyrso resources are "bare bones" rather than "value added" like "logos edition" resources.
Vyrso resources are "bare bones" rather than "value added" like "logos edition" resources. https://www.logos.com/product/4892/dictionary-of-the-later-new-testament-and-its-developments This book is a Logos edition and yet has no page numbers.
Hi Kevin
When you can change the size of fonts, insert note markers, change the page size from full screen to a tiny panel at whim the concept of a page number becomes a little arbitary.
Some "logos edition" resources just don't have page numbers. Newer ones mostly do, as far as I know. Some, however, make little sense to add page numbers. The second example you give is of a dictionary. I know that in Turabian, page numbers aren't needed to cite a dictionary... you cite the "article."
Last Name, First Name. Encyclopedia/Dictionary name, Edition ed., s.v. "Article Title." Publication City: Publisher Name, Year Published.
Smith, John. Encyclopaedia Britannica, 8th ed., s.v. "Internet." Chicago: Encyclopaedia Britannica, 2009.
I know that in Turabian, page numbers aren't needed to cite a dictionary
There are others books that are not dictionaries and not Vyrso books that do not have page numbers.
I would just like to know why. I can live with it. I just don't like it and a good reason would help me digest it. Frankly, I'm tired of going to the library to find page numbers for books that I have in electronic format ( not all Logos ) without page numbers.
Books produced in the early days often didn't have page number or indexes. Some series contain newer volumes that received the full treatment but the older volumes were never updated. Most books produced from a paper exemplar now receive the full treatment and are more useful in this regard.
There's not a good reason for it. The reason normally given for this and other deficiencies is the prohibitive cost of going back and updating "old" resources. In my view, however, if an "old" Logos resource is being newly marketed in a sale or upgrade package--and thus generating new revenues--effort should be expended in bringing it up to the advertised description of "high quality electronic books."
I've joined with many here in reading Calvin's Institutes both in Battle's and Beveridge's translation.
I was a bit irritated when I noted that Beveridge's translation did not have page numbers - had to look them up in my dead-tree edition.
Rob
I've joined with many here in reading Calvin's Institutes both in Battle's and Beveridge's translation. I was a bit irritated when I noted that Beveridge's translation did not have page numbers
I was a bit irritated when I noted that Beveridge's translation did not have page numbers
Note that Logos has at least two editions of Beveridge's translation of the 1559 Institutes:
The one without page numbers - left - was produced by Logos in 1997, it has additional search fields and additional footnotes by Robert Dunzweiler. See https://www.logos.com/resources/LLS_42.110.15/institutes-of-the-christian-religion (this edition seems to be not currently sold).
I think the reason for it having no page numbers is not being so old, but that this edition was never printed. With additional foreword and footnotes, which you can't locate on a page in your printed Beveridge, it is just not the same - and thus should not be academically cited as if it were the printed book.
But as seen on the right, you can read Beveridge's translation with page numbers in Logos (and it's available on its own and in several packages), see https://www.logos.com/resources/LLS_ICRBEV/institutes-of-the-christian-religion
I hope I can shed some light on the mystery of "missing" page numbers:
This is only a brief summary and I hope it helps clarify things some. Let me know if you have any more questions.
We try to add page milestones to those older books that are missing page milestones if and when we update the resource. This is dependent on a few important criteria: 1) we need to have access to the print. In some cases this has proved very difficult. 2) The version we produced must correspond exactly with the print resource available.
Kyle,
Several important IVP resources that have been updated in the past 2-3 years have not had page number resources added:
Can you speak to those? (I realize IVPBBC:OT was not updated recently, but I find that strange considering the IVPBBC:NT was, so I included it anyway).
We don't include page milestones in Vyrso resources.
I hope it helps clarify things some.
Naturally we would like to have all of our library updated and are slowly working through the backlog.
Dictionary of the Later New Testament & Its Developments (resource date: 2012-06-21T19:45:19Z)
Can you speak to those?
This was updated in 2012 to support LCV. That was its only update. We acquired print for it in 2013 and it should receive page milestones the next time it receives a major update. (I have no ETA on that one.)
This has never been updated. It was republished in 2012 and 2014 due to issues pertaining to Logos 5 and Logos 6 support. This is where the resource dates in the information panel can be deceiving. A resource may not have been changed but it may have been re-published (thus giving it a later date).
I'm less help on these two. I'm having trouble tracking down why the NT was updated but the OT was not. It seems strange to me as well. I do know that when it was updated there was a materials issue that did not prevent it from getting fixed but it did prevent adding of page milestones.
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On a related note: we are aware of the need for better communication concerning what was updated and when. We're having internal discussions on how to make this happen.
Thanks Kyle.
This is good news. If you could just note the type of changes, it would be good progress:
I don't finer granularity is needed
For my department that's exactly the type of data we would like to expose.
