What is this abbreviation?
HDOT/LDHB? OK. LDHB is perhaps Lexham Discourse of the Hebrew Bible, but what is HDOT? I have bought the 6 volumes, but there is nothing there for the abbrevation of HDOT ,which Lee has mentioned in https://community.logos.com/forums/t/98839.aspx. Is there anything I have missed from Lexham Disscourse Hebrew Bible Bundle (6 Vols)?
Blessings in Christ.
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High-Definition Old Testament
EDIT: and you are correct on LDHB
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I have returned it back. There is no much detail like the new Testament.
Blessings in Christ.
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Hi Lee, thank you for responding to this thread. My expectation was to see my favorite features like conjunctions result, purpose and so on. All what I could see was only senctences and sub-sentences. But I am still open to listen to your opinion.
Blessings in Christ.
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Tes. when you are looking at history you'll not see much more than sentences and subsentences. What you expect to see depends both on the language and the genre.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Tes said:
Hi Lee, thank you for responding to this thread. My expectation was to see my favorite features like conjunctions result, purpose and so on. All what I could see was only senctences and sub-sentences. But I am still open to listen to your opinion.
In my opinion, the annotations are not fine-grained enough. Also, the methodology (e.g. a result clause not marked by a specific lexeme would just be annotated "sentence") is, to my mind, not entirely correct, and the methodology leads to results that are less satisfactory.
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Thank you MJ and Lee for the clarification. I hope Logos may work on this just as they have beautifully done in the new testament. Perhaps in Logos 7. This would be my number one wish list.
Blessings in Christ.
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Tes said:
Thank you MJ and Lee for the clarification. I hope Logos may work on this just as they have beautifully done in the new testament. Perhaps in Logos 7. This would be my number one wish list.
Tes, there is no reason particularly to think that Faithlife will work on this resource beyond corrections and ensuring that it matches the definitions given for its discourse units. The point is that the New Testament has genres that require finer distinctions that the genres of the OT with a handful of exceptions.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thank you MJ again. Perhaps they may strive to make better understandable for those of us ,who don't know the Hebrew language.
Blessings in Christ.
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MJ. Smith said:
Tes, there is no reason particularly to think that Faithlife will work on this resource beyond corrections and ensuring that it matches the definitions given for its discourse units. The point is that the New Testament has genres that require finer distinctions that the genres of the OT with a handful of exceptions.
I would demur. HDOT has left out one annotation found in HDNT, namely, "circumstance" which is defined in the Lexham High Definition New Testament: Glossary as: "A backgrounded action that precedes the main action of the sentence. These propositions provide information about attendant circumstances and events that serve to set the stage for the main action of the sentence."
Two things can be noted here:
1) This annotation relates mostly to the narrative genre, e.g. HDNT John 5:6. If you hover over the tagging "circumstance" in LDGNT you even get this (grammatical) definition: A participial clause that introduces the state of affairs surrounding the main clause that follows.
2) Anyone who has done any discourse analysis of Hebrew would know that the backgrounding of Hebrew clauses is not a rare occurrence. However, backgrounding as a phenomenon/device seems to be omitted entirely from analysis in HDOT.
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3) The analysis of wisdom literature, esp. Proverbs is rather weak. To fully do justice to this body of literature you would need a more fine-grained approach, not less.
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Lee, I don't disagree with you to the point that I rarely use the LDB for either testament. But I don't recall seeing anything to make me think Faithlife is addressing the issues either of us have with the product.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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You are probably right that F.L. won't make major changes to HDOT.
My point was that HDOT requires deeper, more fine-grained analysis than HDNT, not less. Seen in that light, HDOT is not particularly useful. Problems exist in the methodology itself, not just at the level of application.
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I agree with Lee. My first impression when it first came out (the pieces), was that they'd done a filter-pass against the database, and then did manual editing. So if the filter couldn't catch it, it was dependent on catch-as-can editing (and thus Lee's initial observation). But that's just from observing the results. Maybe the whole thing was manually produced.
After 2 refunds, I finally bought it, but I think Logos treats it like a step-child (no Cinderella here). If you press the F11, the formatting is abysmal. I tried all combos of the visual filter settings without much luck.
I still view AF as the cat's meow.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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