Thinking of buying a new iPad
I am thinking on buying a new iPad, what amount of storage space should I get? I have about 1500 resources in my library, how can I estimate the amount of space needed? Do you think a 32GB iPad will be enough?
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Maybe someone's got a library that big on their iPad. Among my 4 Logos apps, it works out to approx 11-13meg/volume, allowing for the app size, etc That's strictly a guess, looking at the marginal increase per volume.
Of course, Alabama will note the propensity of Logos to suggest 're-install' when there's a problem.
I have a 32m iPod and a 64m iPad. I'm forever deciding what to toss on the iPod.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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32 GB is enough, if Logos is the main use. If you are also going to put lots of music and photos and apps on it too, then get more.
However there isn't a good reason to have your entire library downloaded. When you are online, all your books are available from the cloud. When offline, the useful tools to help you find stuff aren't available (like full text search and the guides), so you're best to limit your downloads to books you know you'll want if the internet is unavailable. On my iPad, I download the books I am currently reading, several bibles, plus a hundred or so other books like commentaries, dictionaries, and theological references that I am familiar with.If you have to delete the app and reload, the resources you had downloaded are automatically redownloaded. The books aren't backed up by iTunes, so you will have to get them from the internet if you have to reinstall. 1500 books could easily take several hours to download.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Of course, Alabama will note the propensity of Logos to suggest 're-install' when there's a problem.
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So I don't ruin my rep... It isn't advised to download large portions of your library for many reasons, including (as has been mentioned) that the best fix for many issues is a reinstall of the app.
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My wife and I both have iPad airs with 32 GB and that is plenty for us though I suppose we are pretty light users with not a lot of apps, music, pictures etc. I have no idea how much room 1500 books would take up but as already been mentioned it is really not a good idea anyway.
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I am thinking on buying a new iPad, what amount of storage space should I get? I have about 1500 resources in my library, how can I estimate the amount of space needed? Do you think a 32GB iPad will be enough?
The problem with iPads is that many start by thinking along the lines of 'I'll just use it for Logos' and then find that it is actually very useful for other things.
It happens to be the handiest camera that you will have at the time.
It happens to be the handiest note book that you will have at the time (often by using the camera rather than copying)
It is much more convenient than the travel alarm clock / radio / tv that you used to cart around.
Suddenly the address book, diary, holiday reading appear much heavier than they used to and the iPad get pressed into service.
Buy the biggest capacity that you can afford.
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Mike
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Do you think a 32GB iPad will be enough?
Yes.
I have 32 GB and about 100 Logos books downloaded to my iPad for off-line reading. Logos uses 4.7 GB of my storage.
I have some music and some photos. I'm sure you could have a lot more than I do. Total for me of about 3 GB.
I have had to free up space by deleting a number of magazines I downloaded. They were taking up too much space.
If I bought another iPad today, I don't think I'd 'trade up'. I'd continue to manage what I put on my iPad.
The Logos app is very useful. I do a lot of my reading on the app, and preliminary highlighting and study. Most note-taking and serious study is on the desktop app. But note-taking there lets my notes show up later on my iPad for review.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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My basic premise with devices and storage is you can never have enough memory. There is always apps and data to fill up the device.
I have a 64gb Ipad and have about 12 gb free with about 2.5 gb of music, 2 gb of photos apps such as an offline Wikipedia quickly add up to the 44gb that is used. Logos takes about 4.6 gb with 860 resources downloaded. (Sorry Alabama, there is something about having a bunch of books available when offline that brings pleasure to me). I have had to reload the library a few times but now that I have a new internet provider with 1gb fiber it shouldn't take long. Also I feel that Apple leaves stuff stuck in memory. If I do a complete reset of the device I suddenly end up with a bunch of freed up memory once I rebuilt the environment. With the larger amount of memory you don't have to ponder deleting items in order to keep enough free memory. Another consideration is that the new releases of the ios seem to grow in memory requirements and ipads tend to not need to be replaced as often like iphones, hence the weak sales of ipads.
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32 GB is enough, if Logos is the main use. If you are also going to put lots of music and photos and apps on it too, then get more.
However there isn't a good reason to have your entire library downloaded. When you are online, all your books are available from the cloud. When offline, the useful tools to help you find stuff aren't available (like full text search and the guides), so you're best to limit your downloads to books you know you'll want if the internet is unavailable. On my iPad, I download the books I am currently reading, several bibles, plus a hundred or so other books like commentaries, dictionaries, and theological references that I am familiar with.If you have to delete the app and reload, the resources you had downloaded are automatically redownloaded. The books aren't backed up by iTunes, so you will have to get them from the internet if you have to reinstall. 1500 books could easily take several hours to download.
I'm relatively new to Logos (version 6 is the first I've used) and your post begs the question:
With downloaded resources, which of the following is true:
- Downloading a resource permanently disables the useful tools (e.g. full text search) for that resource until the resources is removed from the device.
- Downloading a resource makes it available offline, but when the useful tools are executed (e.g. full text search), an online version of the resource is used instead (therefore negating an advantage of downloading a resource).
I don't mind if I have to re-download all of my resources in the case of a support query, and I have plenty of space for them on my iOS devices. Because of limited screen real estate, I'm unlike to use many advanced features away from my desktop computer, but I do like having a local copy of as much as possible, for speed.
It sounds like you hobble the Logos iOS app by downloading resources - is that true?
Thanks.
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With downloaded resources, which of the following is true:
- Downloading a resource permanently disables the useful tools (e.g. full text search) for that resource until the resources is removed from the device.
- Downloading a resource makes it available offline, but when the useful tools are executed (e.g. full text search), an online version of the resource is used instead (therefore negating an advantage of downloading a resource).
The iOS version does all searching and guides, etc online only. It uses online copies of your resources to do the searches. It never uses the books you have on your iOS device for searching, etc.
The only reasons for having resources on your iOS devise is so you can read them, highlight them and take notes based on them offline. So you only need those you will use when you have no Internet.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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With downloaded resources, which of the following is true:
Downloading a resource permanently disables the useful tools (e.g. full text search) for that resource until the resources is removed from the device.
False.
Downloading a resource makes it available offline, but when the useful tools are executed (e.g. full text search), an online version of the resource is used instead (therefore negating an advantage of downloading a resource).
False. You can do a full text search of the downloaded resource offline. It is a Library search that is performed online "in the cloud."
It sounds like you hobble the Logos iOS app by downloading resources - is that true?
You have misunderstood. Many of the apps features DO require an internet connection. Any of the guides, for example, are performed on the Logos servers.
There are good reasons not to download one's entire library on mobile, but not for the reasons you thought we were arguing. On the most basic level, the "best" fix for many issues that arise is a reinstall. Besides the inconvenience of having to download your entire library again, there are often installation problems for users who have downloaded their entire library. A second issue: The app becomes more sluggish and unstable the larger it gets. A third issue: Issues can arise when the desktop and mobile resources aren't using the same version of a resource. The desktop app automatically downloads updates to resources. The mobile app does not.
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For clarification: you can search a single resource offline.
That's good to know.
Is this documented anywhere?
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Is this documented anywhere?
Not that I am aware... but just try it out. Switch to "airplane mode" and perform a "basic" search.
I just double checked, and I might need to put an asterisk with my statement.
- If you have used the resource recently, you will (hopefully) have the title listed in "resource collections." I think you have to have been online when you opened the resource for it to appear in the list. [When you perform a "basic" search, there is by default a blue hyperlink button which says "Entire Library." If you click on that, you will find collections as well as a list of recently used books. Clicking on a book title will cause the search to look only within that resource]
- The search appears to be MUCH faster with an internet connection.
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Not that I am aware... but just try it out. Switch to "airplane mode" and perform a "basic" search.
I did try it and it appears to work on the most recently opened Bible when selecting Recent Bibles, but also remembers my NASB95 in the drop-down list, perhaps because I had it open before going offline. It doesn't recall any other Bibles I open along the way, just the most recent one.
Bible searches are pretty quick if I limit the search to a passage rather than the whole Bible. A search for 'Jesus' in the gospels in the ESV came up quickly. In fact because of the need to do the online work, the search ran as quickly as doing it online.
I'm glad to know about this capability. I do wish Logos would make an effort to document this app.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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With downloaded resources, which of the following is true:
Downloading a resource permanently disables the useful tools (e.g. full text search) for that resource until the resources is removed from the device.
False.
Downloading a resource makes it available offline, but when the useful tools are executed (e.g. full text search), an online version of the resource is used instead (therefore negating an advantage of downloading a resource).
False. You can do a full text search of the downloaded resource offline. It is a Library search that is performed online "in the cloud."
It sounds like you hobble the Logos iOS app by downloading resources - is that true?
You have misunderstood. Many of the apps features DO require an internet connection. Any of the guides, for example, are performed on the Logos servers.
There are good reasons not to download one's entire library on mobile, but not for the reasons you thought we were arguing. On the most basic level, the "best" fix for many issues that arise is a reinstall. Besides the inconvenience of having to download your entire library again, there are often installation problems for users who have downloaded their entire library. A second issue: The app becomes more sluggish and unstable the larger it gets. A third issue: Issues can arise when the desktop and mobile resources aren't using the same version of a resource. The desktop app automatically downloads updates to resources. The mobile app does not.
Ok, I think I get it. So you still get the full functionality of the iOS app when one has downloaded resources, it is just that you are wasting space on your device with offline resources you don't read regularly because downloaded resources are only used for the simplest of functions (e.g. reading).
So if I am looking at a downloaded version of a bible on my phone, and I perform some sort of function like "Passage Guide", and then from there bring up a linked resource that is also downloaded I:
1 - Get the speed benefit of bring up and reading resources without having to use my 3G phone connection.
2 - Don't see a speed benefit of calling up the links in the first place, because the searching through my library for available resources is done over the 3G phone connect.Does that sound right?
Thanks.
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Does that sound right?
Mostly. I am not suggesting that you don't download ANY resources... just not your entire library. I have about 100 downloaded to my iPad, and about 10 to my iPhone. It is certainly faster to turn pages, etc. with the resource downloaded.
Back to the "I don't care if I have to redownload my resources" argument... Picture this: You downloaded your entire 5000 books "just cause you could." Hey, you have a 64 GB iPad, why not, right? Along comes an update to iOS which causes the app to become corrupted and you must delete it. Once you open the redownloaded app, ALL of your resources start to download again. Automatically. It doesn't matter if the time is convenient or not! You try to open that ONE resource you need, but you are having difficulties with doing so. You close the app and in doing so, cause some sort of new corruption. ALL OF THIS AND MORE CAN BE YOURS simply by downloading your entire library "just because you can."
I love the mobile app, and it is GREAT for being able to read my resources, make highlights, etc. But it isn't a replacement for my laptop. Some users live hours away from wifi. In that case, perhaps downloading ones entire library makes sense. For most of us, however, we can always wait until Home/Work/Panera/McDonalds/etc. to gain access to wifi to download another book. I have forum friends who strongly disagree with me on this issue... but they won't once they experience one of these joys. [;)]
EDIT: One more thing: As much as I love iOS, I have found that sometimes it doesn't release app space from the drive, even when the app is "deleted." On more than one occasion, I have deleted EVERY app from my device and had "missing" storage space which was unrecoverable without doing a COMPLETE wipe of the device and reinstall of the OS. It is one thing if the device holds on to 200 MB. Quite another if it holds on to 12+GB.0
