1-2 Thessalonians BECNT cheaper than prepublication price now

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704447#Comment_704447

Great! Glad I waited!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704454#Comment_704454

Thanks! That's a great deal!

Mike Pettit

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704471#Comment_704471

The discount only gives me a mighty $1.12 off.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704473#Comment_704473

Not clear what discount applies to this title. Link?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704532#Comment_704532

Not clear what discount applies to this title. Link?

If you own the 17 volume set, then the last volume released should be something like $32.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704538#Comment_704538

Yes, I clicked on that, but it shows me a dynamic price of 45.99.

I already have 16 volumes of BECNT.

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704538#Comment_704538

If you own the 17 volume set, then the last volume released should be something like $32.

Not anymore. Looks like it was a mistake. The dynamic pricing is now $45.99, same as the pre-pub price for the new volume.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704543#Comment_704543

It may have changed price. I checked last night and it was $32, but I'm showing $45.99 now.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704544#Comment_704544

So what's the "monthly product discount"?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704544#Comment_704544

If you own the 17 volume set, then the last volume released should be something like $32.

Not anymore. Looks like it was a mistake. The dynamic pricing is now $45.99, same as the pre-pub price for the new volume.

Ouch, looks like I just got it in!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704551#Comment_704551

Thanks again DAL!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704552#Comment_704552

$32.39 should be the correct price with the 30% discount being applied as the Monthly Product Discount. I am assuming that Faithlife is having issues with the discount applying. I would suspect that the price will go back shortly.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704565#Comment_704565

$32.39 should be the correct price with the 30% discount being applied as the Monthly Product Discount. I am assuming that Faithlife is having issues with the discount applying. I would suspect that the price will go back shortly.

You wish!! I was about to go for it, but now the temptation has been taken away!! [:P]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704568#Comment_704568

I'm not sure why I would need to wish. It's pretty basic math.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704584#Comment_704584

I'm not sure why I would need to wish. It's pretty basic math.

From your comment below, you can doubly wish!! [:|]

...I would suspect that the price will go back shortly.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704598#Comment_704598

Logos, how about allowing the rest of us to have this book for 32.39? Thanks Dal for bringing this to our attention.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704610#Comment_704610

You're welcome, everybody!

SteveHD

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704657#Comment_704657

That is sad. I added it to my wish list so I would remember this weekend to go back and buy it. It is showing up as 45 something now for me as well. Shame that it appeared to be a month special but must have been a daily special or something.

Jim Snowden

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704671#Comment_704671

Yes the website is either broken or misleading - says my full dynamic price is $47 and then there is 30% discount, but the price I am being asked to pay is $45.99 which is not 30% off! I had this in my basket when it was the correct $32 price but just waited to add some from March madness. Maybe Logos can say whether the 30% discount does not apply to dynamic pricing?

Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (BECNT) (17 vols.) Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (BECNT) (17 vols.) Save over 30% on this month's Top Product!

Auto-Renew

$47.11

$45.99

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704710#Comment_704710

You are correct, Jim. The current price does not take into account a 30% discount. Logos is the fuzzy math company.

Keith Larson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704735#Comment_704735

Thanks DAL for alerting Logos to their "non-mistake". Logos the 30% off SHOULD be applied. Your Pre-pub promise that "the price will never be lower" is a joke anyway. You break it with base packages and you will break it multiple times with March Madness.

I was going to purchase this commentary. Logos you just lost a sale! Stop playing games with us.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704710#Comment_704710

Yes the website is either broken or misleading - says my full dynamic price is $47 and then there is 30% discount, but the price I am being asked to pay is $45.99 which is not 30% off! I had this in my basket when it was the correct $32 price but just waited to add some from March madness. Maybe Logos can say whether the 30% discount does not apply to dynamic pricing?

Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (BECNT) (17 vols.) Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (BECNT) (17 vols.) Save over 30% on this month's Top Product! Auto-Renew 1 $47.11 $47.11 $45.99

Exactly what I was saying earlier.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704742#Comment_704742

what can I say lucky me and a few others who got it for $32.39

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704762#Comment_704762

Maybe you could now change the title on your OP to: BUG: discount is not applied to dynamic pricing on BECNT

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704774#Comment_704774

If you are having problems, you might want to give sales a call. Remember, if you own the 16 volumes of BECNT then dynamic pricing should work to add volume number 17 on 1-2 Thessalonians; if it's not working and it's easy for you call or email your sales rep.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704738#Comment_704738

Thanks DAL for alerting Logos to their "non-mistake". Logos the 30% off SHOULD be applied. Your Pre-pub promise that "the price will never be lower" is a joke anyway. You break it with base packages and you will break it multiple times with March Madness.

I was going to purchase this commentary. Logos you just lost a sale! Stop playing games with us.

I read your response and then looked at your profile picture smiling and I cannot, for the life of me, tell whether your are joking or just being sarcastic. The smiling picture does not match your response...LOL

Keith Larson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704979#Comment_704979

Thanks DAL for alerting Logos to their "non-mistake". Logos the 30% off SHOULD be applied. Your Pre-pub promise that "the price will never be lower" is a joke anyway. You break it with base packages and you will break it multiple times with March Madness.

I was going to purchase this commentary. Logos you just lost a sale! Stop playing games with us.

I read your response and then looked at your profile picture smiling and I cannot, for the life of me, tell whether your are joking or just being sarcastic. The smiling picture does not match your response...LOL

Sarcastic! However, I am a more serious about the Pre-pub criticism. Face it. C.S. Lewis may very well be in next year's March Madness and be the winner of the 75% discount. Rather than making the promise that pre-pub prices will be the lowest ever Logos needs to do away with the marketing hype and just offer a price. If people like the price they will purchase, if not they will pass. No need for all this pressure to buy now or miss out on the lowest price ever! Then Logos will not feel obligated to pull discounts out of a false sense of honoring a false promise!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/705005#Comment_705005

Bump

ChelseaFC

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/705005#Comment_705005

However, I am a more serious about the Pre-pub criticism. Face it. C.S. Lewis may very well be in next year's March Madness and be the winner of the 75% discount. Rather than making the promise that pre-pub prices will be the lowest ever Logos needs to do away with the marketing hype and just offer a price. If people like the price they will purchase, if not they will pass. No need for all this pressure to buy now or miss out on the lowest price ever! Then Logos will not feel obligated to pull discounts out of a false sense of honoring a false promise!

Good constructive criticism Keith.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/705152#Comment_705152

How about an answer from Faithlife??

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/705372#Comment_705372

I sent an email to Logos. Logos responded by blaming their commitment made to prepub customers which they brake everyday of the week. Today's Twitter deal is an example. They also claim their agreement with Baker Publishing has "restrictions" on this book.

I suspect Logos may be throwing Baker publishing under the bus so I wrote them and forwarded my correspondence with Logos with a link to this thread.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/705395#Comment_705395

I sent an email to Logos. Logos responded by blaming their commitment made to prepub customers which they brake everyday of the week. Today's Twitter deal is an example. They also claim their agreement with Baker Publishing has "restrictions" on this book.

I suspect Logos may be throwing Baker publishing under the bus so I wrote them and forwarded my correspondence with Logos with a link to this thread.

I have come across the same thing in the past, and just brushed it off. But to see someone else getting the same brush off deserves a response and encouragement. Well done, and I support you. [B]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/705395#Comment_705395

I sent an email to Logos. Logos responded by blaming their commitment made to prepub customers which they brake everyday of the week. Today's Twitter deal is an example. They also claim their agreement with Baker Publishing has "restrictions" on this book.

I suspect Logos may be throwing Baker publishing under the bus so I wrote them and forwarded my correspondence with Logos with a link to this thread.

Great! So, every volume in the series is on sale besides the 1-2 Thessalonians volume. That makes absolutely no sense, nor is that advertised anywhere within the details of the sale. [:#]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/705395#Comment_705395

Today's Twitter deal is an example.

I'd encourage others to go for the today's daily deal on Twitter. An excellent deal and it is a consolation to this fiasco.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/705427#Comment_705427

I have contacted Baker about this issue, here is what I have written:

Regarding the monthly sale on Logos.com of your product Baker Exegetical Commentary series (see https://www.logos.com/product/46541/baker-exegetical-commentary-on-the-new-testament). The product page quoted mentions that we can save over 30% on the retail price for this set. Logos progressively updates this set to include newer releases from Baker. Most customers only need to upgrade this set by the one book, to the current series but Logos are not showing the same discount offer to upgrade this set as for those who are buying the set for the first time. I assume that this discount would have been global for whoever is buying this complete set, whether they are one book short, or for the first time buyers. There is a blog thread that I would direct you to for what is being hotly contested, all the while there has been no response from Logos on their own blog (see https://community.logos.com/forums/t/101797.aspx?PageIndex=1). The dynamic pricing for set owners originally had the 30% discount applied, but since this was mentioned in the blog thread, Logos have 'pulled the pin'. Is there anyone from Baker that would like to respond on this blog thread?

Your input would be much appreciated!

Hopefully someone will respond (either Logos/Baker) to this issue. There seems too much silence at the moment.

Anyone for toppling the establishment?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/705459#Comment_705459

I got the official reply from FL that the dynamic price was revised upwards since "since we promised that the Pre-Pub price will always be the lowest price for product".

I cannot understand this decision at all. This is tantamount to saying that I don't get the discount because I already have 16 volumes, but someone who has no volumes gets it.

Also, members should henceforth stop tooting the horn that "XXX is cheaper than pre-pub price now", if this is how FL will react.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/705482#Comment_705482

I got the official reply from FL that the dynamic price was revised upwards since "since we promised that the Pre-Pub price will always be the lowest price for product".

I cannot understand this decision at all. This is tantamount to saying that I don't get the discount because I already have 16 volumes, but someone who has no volumes gets it.

Also, members should henceforth stop tooting the horn that "XXX is cheaper than pre-pub price now", if this is how FL will react.

Agreed, there is a dichotomy here.

Kent Hendricks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/705500#Comment_705500

I'm sorry about this. We've been watching this thread and having some conversations about how to solve this.

We have removed the lowest price limit. If you own 16 volumes, you'll now see the discount applied.

We also want to respect those who got BECNT Thessalonians on Pre-Pub with the expectation that they would be getting the best price. We plan to issue Logos credit for the difference. If you got this volume on Pre-Pub, the credit will be applied to your account within the next few days. You'll receive a message notifying you when it's available.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/705744#Comment_705744

We have removed the lowest price limit. If you own 16 volumes, you'll now see the discount applied.

Good. This is the right decision. Saying that pre-pub is the best price remains true, even if you can get a better price later by buying a collection.

However, at least two commentary sets still appear to have a lowest price limit:

Can you confirm that you won't impose a lowest price limit on any Logos collections, and remove any that remain?

Danny Parker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/705744#Comment_705744

The end result is that you received a sale. I'm not sure that I would ever have paid full price for this volume.

On the bigger issue: I buy prepub all the time - just not for this volume when it came out. As a regular user of prepub, I do not see a problem with later having a discounted price. It happens in life all the time. Things change - publisher agreement, market value, etc. In good faith you are usually providing a good price for prepubs. If later you can provide a better price no big deal. Just because someone else gets a better price, why should I be worried if I got only a good price previously (I believe there is a parable about this )

Perhaps you need to remove the 'guarantee' on prepub to keep people from whining about it later (for sure some will). I believe everyone evaluates price versus value and makes a decision any time they make a purchase. I don't think we need a 'guarantee'. Especially this is true when it artificially holds the price for a volume at a higher than necessary place at a later time. Besides, this 'guarantee' is violated at certain times anyway - March Madness as an example.

Just my thoughts. And thanks for resolving the issue. You have my dollars.

Danny

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/704568#Comment_704568

You wish!!

Looks like my wish came true George! How about that! Thanks Faithlife for following through on this.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/705745#Comment_705745

We have removed the lowest price limit. If you own 16 volumes, you'll now see the discount applied.

Good. This is the right decision. Saying that pre-pub is the best price remains true, even if you can get a better price later by buying a collection.

@FL: Thanks!

@Mark: Absolutely.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/705753#Comment_705753

You wish!!

Looks like my wish came true George! How about that! Thanks Faithlife for following through on this.

Now that is COOL! [H] Would appreciate if FL could jump in a bit earlier on the thread, though. Even if it is to say we are monitoring and considering the issue and that we would eventually have a result.

But this is great! [<:o)]

Mike Childs

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/705744#Comment_705744

I'm sorry about this. We've been watching this thread and having some conversations about how to solve this.

We have removed the lowest price limit. If you own 16 volumes, you'll now see the discount applied.

We also want to respect those who got BECNT Thessalonians on Pre-Pub with the expectation that they would be getting the best price. We plan to issue Logos credit for the difference. If you got this volume on Pre-Pub, the credit will be applied to your account within the next few days. You'll receive a message notifying you when it's available.

Still showing $49 for me, and I have the BENT.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/705804#Comment_705804

Mine shows $32.39. Maybe the page needs refreshed.

Keith Larson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/705749#Comment_705749

The end result is that you received a sale. I'm not sure that I would ever have paid full price for this volume.

On the bigger issue: I buy prepub all the time - just not for this volume when it came out. As a regular user of prepub, I do not see a problem with later having a discounted price. It happens in life all the time. Things change - publisher agreement, market value, etc. In good faith you are usually providing a good price for prepubs. If later you can provide a better price no big deal. Just because someone else gets a better price, why should I be worried if I got only a good price previously (I believe there is a parable about this )

Perhaps you need to remove the 'guarantee' on prepub to keep people from whining about it later (for sure some will). I believe everyone evaluates price versus value and makes a decision any time they make a purchase. I don't think we need a 'guarantee'. Especially this is true when it artificially holds the price for a volume at a higher than necessary place at a later time. Besides, this 'guarantee' is violated at certain times anyway - March Madness as an example.

Just my thoughts. And thanks for resolving the issue. You have my dollars.

Danny

My thoughts exactly!