Logos Now
There is a banner icon on the homepage for an $8.99/mo subscription, but the link doesn't go anywhere yet. I have only had Collector's for a few weeks - maybe I will have to return it with a subscription at that price (it says "SuperCharge your base package," but I'm not sure what that means).
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Poof! The link is gone. Late April fools.
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Justin Gatlin said:
Poof! The link is gone.
You saw a premature posting. Try this link https://www.logos.com/product/50138/logos-now
Don't return you base package for this. It just augments the base package.
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What!? Is this new? Does this mean that the base packages are now considered static and will only receive bug fixes?
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This is an exciting new step for Faithlife. Logos Now looks very promising.
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Hmm $9/month for what exactly? Not sure the value of this.
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Where I see the value is that it appears that Logos is trying to replicate the desktop experience in a browser: https://www.logos.com/product/51786/access-to-applogoscom
Not sure I would want to pay $9 a month but I'm excited about the possibility of using a web app that is more full-fledged than Biblia.
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Rob said:
What!? Is this new? Does this mean that the base packages are now considered static and will only receive bug fixes?
More info coming soon, but to answer your question:
Logos 6 users will continue to receive free updates to their software: bug fixes, performance enhancements, improvements to existing features, and updates to their resources, datasets, media collections, and interactives. Logos Now subscribers, in addition to these things, will receive access to a variety of new categories of ever-growing content—datasets, media collections, and interactives—as well as early access to new features. Now subscribers will also receive access to the brand new Logos web app and will enjoy other membership benefits like exclusive offers, special discounts, and more.
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William said:
Where I see the value is that it appears that Logos is trying to replicate the desktop experience in a browser
It is much more than that.
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Travis Walter said:
Hmm $9/month for what exactly? Not sure the value of this.
What is Logos Now?
- It’s a subscription-based service.
- It’s content and tools for serious Bible study.
- It builds on top of Logos 6.
- It’s continually growing and getting regular updates.
- It’s access to the future of Logos Bible Software, today.
- It's a membership program.
What do you get with Logos Now?
- A growing library of data, media, and interactive content.
- Early access to new features and tools.
- Access to the beta of the new Logos web app.
- Special membership benefits such as exclusive offers, special discounts, and more.
What does the first release include?
- Old Testament Propositional Bible Outlines (dataset)
- Greek Grammatical Constructions (dataset)
- Commandments of the Law (interactive)
- Visual Copy Templates (media)
- Author Slide Templates (media)
- Logos Stock Images, vol. 2 (media)
- Media Browser (tool)
- Concordance (tool)
- Access to the beta of the Logos web app
- Membership benefits (e.g., exclusive offers, special discounts)
We'll continue to add more value to it over time. More details forthcoming.
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So will base packages go away??
What about resources? Is this future of Logos sub of everything?? In the end this seems much more expensive to the end user.
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Travis Walter said:
So will base packages go away??
No. We anticipate continuing to offer base packages for the foreseeable future. This supplements base packages.
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II think we paid in Logos 6 for the Propositional Bible Outlines in the whole bible, not only the New Testament. it isn´t fair I need to subscribe to Logos Now in order to have this tool available. What is your answer, please?
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Travis,
Logos Now doesn't look like it includes any resources. I think it is just a shortcut for the impatient to get access to L7 as it is developed instead of all at once, and to get coupon codes.Not a really exciting development, to me - and I wanted to be excited! But supercharging my base package sounded like revolving rentals of resources, like discussed on the forum pretty recently. This is not exciting at all. The Media Browser seems like a nice feature (concordance seems like it can easily be done with existing tools), but a decent way of browsing media ought to have been included in L6 anyway; it is a pretty basic thing you shouldn't have to pay a subscription fee for.
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Felix Brito said:
II think we paid in Logos 6 for the Propositional Bible Outlines in the whole bible, not only the New Testament. it isn´t fair I need to subscribe to Logos Now in order to have this tool available. What is your answer, please?
Logos specifically answered questions about the OT Propositional Outline with a statement that they were gauging the response to see if it would expand to the Old Testament. https://community.logos.com/forums/p/92621/647123.aspx
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Justin Gatlin said:
I think it is just a shortcut for the impatient to get access to L7 as it is developed instead of all at once,
As a quick definition, I this this is a good description ... but the intent appears to be to make it a more attractive option over time.
Justin Gatlin said:The Media Browser seems like a nice feature (concordance seems like it can easily be done with existing tools)
The first cut of the concordance isn't adding a great deal of functionality ... but additional features should make it very exciting. But I think users will be pleased even with the first cut.
However, as a retired IT person, there is a terrific side benefit ... because features of L7 are not being built and stored on a shelf for up to 2 years, the development cycle ought to be cleaner, resulting in fewer regressions and bugs. I know I have to wait and see but I honestly expect a noticeable improvement.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Felix Brito said:
II think we paid in Logos 6 for the Propositional Bible Outlines in the whole bible, not only the New Testament. it isn´t fair I need to subscribe to Logos Now in order to have this tool available. What is your answer, please?
Logos 6 just included in the NT. We described it (see below) and priced it for just the NT. It was poorly named, so we've updated the name to better represent that it's NT only. When we shipped Logos 6, there was no plan even to do the OT. We decided that later based on customer feedback.
"We’ve hand tagged nearly 8,000 verses with more than 130 labels demonstrating the flow of thought of every passage in the New Testament. The Propositional outlines dataset is the first ever semantic outline to cover the entire New Testament. Our team of experts has spent countless hours dissecting each verse and determining how they relate to one another."
Sorry for the confusion.
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Phil Gons said:
What do you get with Logos Now?
- A growing library of data, media, and interactive content.
- Early access to new features and tools.
- Access to the beta of the new Logos web app.
- Special membership benefits such as exclusive offers, special discounts, and more.
For $8.99 a month? Count me in! Thank you Faithlife, this looks very good. Can't wait to take my first test ride on these new features. (indexing now... #Can'tWaitToGetAnSSD) and with the free trial month, this is a NO BRAINER!
Grace and Peace
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Phil Gons said:
What do you get with Logos Now?
- A growing library of data, media, and interactive content.
- Early access to new features and tools.
- Access to the beta of the new Logos web app.
- Special membership benefits such as exclusive offers, special discounts, and more.
So, if one stops paying the monthly subscription, these features are removed from our desktop version of Logos (or become deactivated)? Subscriptions can be started and stopped at any time and they all run for a month at a time?
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Do these new features become a permanent addition to our base package or do they go away if we stop subscribing?
Phil Gons said:More info coming soon, but to answer your question:
Logos 6 users will continue to receive free updates to their software: bug fixes, performance enhancements, improvements to existing features, and updates to their resources, datasets, media collections, and interactives. Logos Now subscribers, in addition to these things, will receive access to a variety of new categories of ever-growing content—datasets, media collections, and interactives—as well as early access to new features. Now subscribers will also receive access to the brand new Logos web app and will enjoy other membership benefits like exclusive offers, special discounts, and more.
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Rob said:
Do these new features become a permanent addition to our base package or do they go away if we stop subscribing?
They go away if you stop subscribing.
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Will the price of $8.99 increase overtime as other features are added? If so, will those who took the plunge early be locked into their monthly rate?
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John Kight said:
Will the price of $8.99 increase overtime as other features are added?
I am fairly sure the price remains at $8.99 and trust Phil will correct me if I am wrong.
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John Kight said:
Will the price of $8.99 increase over time as other features are added?
The price could change over time, like any subscription service. However, we chose $8.99 with a view toward the future. I wouldn't expect it to change any time soon. It's generally not wise to change subscription prices very often, and we don't plan to.
John Kight said:If so, will those who took the plunge early be locked into their monthly rate?
We don't have all the details sorted out yet about grandfathering in. We'll cross that bridge if and when the time comes.
We'd like to offer annual billing eventually, which would be $89.99. This would essentially get you two free months per year and be a way to lock in the lower rate for at least 12 months.
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If one subscribes to Logos Now and part of it an early shortcut to features that will be in L7, will any or all of the subscription cost be applied to L7 will it becomes available?
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Will some or part of the subscription fee apply to the full upgrade of the next version of Logos when it is available?
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Super.Tramp said:Rob said:
Do these new features become a permanent addition to our base package or do they go away if we stop subscribing?
They go away if you stop subscribing.
JH said:So, if one stops paying the monthly subscription, these features are removed from our desktop version of Logos (or become deactivated)? Subscriptions can be started and stopped at any time and they all run for a month at a time?
Correct. Anything that requires a license will disappear when the subscription stops. One qualification: Features that are code only and have no content dependencies will eventually be made part of the free core engine. If your subscription stops after that's happened, you'd not lose access to them, since they'd no longer require a license.
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Mark Johnson said:
If one subscribes to Logos Now and part of it an early shortcut to features that will be in L7, will any or all of the subscription cost be applied to L7 will it becomes available?
JH said:Will some or part of the subscription fee apply to the full upgrade of the next version of Logos when it is available?
That's not a part of the current plan, but we reserve the right to change the plan.
We plan to offer special deals and discounts to Now subscribers. It's possible that might include future upgrade sales.
It's our desire to keep you happy, so you can be sure we'll do our best to make that happen.
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Thank you for addressing my initial question, Phil. I apologize if this is too early in the game, but will the features in Logos Now be available in a future Logos release? (i.e. will the OT prepositional outline feature be available as a base package feature, or exclusively a Logos Now feature?)
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No offense, Phil but the imagery of this is cracking me up. Like allergy medicine, if you don't keep paying. Achoo!!!
I can easily see this layering so badly, a renter can't afford to stop .... they loose the whole sequence. Not just the last few neato features. So, a great feature can really burn through some solid cash.
But I'm sure it'll be good for many.
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John Kight said:
I apologize if this is too early in the game, but will the features in Logos Now be available in a future Logos release? (i.e. will the OT prepositional outline feature be available as a base package feature, or exclusively a Logos Now feature?)
It's likely that some of what's included in Logos Now will eventually be a part of some future base packages. How much, we're not sure yet. What we are pretty sure of is that some of what's included will not be, especially things that are dynamic and always-growing.
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Denise said:
I can easily see this layering so badly, a renter can't afford to stop .... they loose the whole sequence. Not just the last few neato features. So, a great feature can really burn through some solid cash.
It's our hope that we'll be delivering such great value with Logos Now that you'll all carve out $8.99/mo. to subscribe to it indefinitely. We imagine that many will want to continue to buy and own their books, but could be okay to have ongoing subscription access to the content and tools that drive the core functionality of the software.
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Has anyone tried the new Logos web app (beta) yet? Can anyone provide details about the functionality it provides (compared to the desktop version)? Maybe some screenshots as well?
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JH said:
Has anyone tried the new Logos web app (beta) yet? Can anyone provide details about the functionality it provides (compared to the desktop version)? Maybe some screenshots as well?
The first month is free and you can cancel anytime. Go ahead take it for a test drive. It is still in beta and there are lots of the Desktop tools which will be added in the future. In the desktop version you will get several new tools. See Phils post here:https://community.logos.com/forums/p/103245/713695.aspx#713695
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JH said:
Has anyone tried the new Logos web app (beta) yet?
It is in beta right now and not much is working. Here's a screen shot:
The arrows point to sections that haven't been developed. We'll have to wait to see those.
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Bridgeport, CT USA
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Phil Gons said:
It's our hope that we'll be delivering such great value with Logos Now that you'll all carve out $8.99/mo. to subscribe to it indefinitely.
Is it safe to assume at least one new thing per month? (Primarily referring to features, not just specials sales or web app access)
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Phil Gons said:
It’s access to the future of Logos Bible Software, today.
And yet -- there is the promise that updates to the base packages will continue. So -- I'm a little confused. Is a web based app the future of logos, or... ?? If it is, then I'll stop investing now, and start working on building a library elsewhere.
Russ
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James Taylor said:
Is it safe to assume at least one new thing per month? (Primarily referring to features, not just specials sales or web app access)
We have been told that Faithlife is planning to pursue a six week update cycle. So (hopefully) we might see at least one new feature every six weeks. That's unofficial coming from me.
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Bridgeport, CT USA
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I noticed that some of the data sets have a price tag, can you buy just a data set, like the Greek grammatical construction? And the one for the law?
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Mark Smith said:
We have been told that Faithlife is planning to pursue a six week update cycle.
We've actually fulfilled the six week update cycle for the past several releases (since 6.0b), if you look at the dates the releases go "gold": https://wiki.logos.com/Logos_6_Release_Notes
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Russ White said:Phil Gons said:
It’s access to the future of Logos Bible Software, today.
And yet -- there is the promise that updates to the base packages will continue. So -- I'm a little confused. Is a web based app the future of logos, or... ?? If it is, then I'll stop investing now, and start working on building a library elsewhere.
Russ
For some of us that have thousands of dollars invested to date, this is crucial. I want to always have a desktop version supported. Online always can be a huge hinderance to gospel work in areas with hostile governments (now or in the future).
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Dylan Rondeau said:
We've actually fulfilled the six week update cycle for the past several releases
So if history is an predictor of the future...
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Alexander said:
For some of us that have thousands of dollars invested to date, this is crucial. I want to always have a desktop version supported. Online always can be a huge hinderance to gospel work in areas with hostile governments (now or in the future).
Phil has said that for the foreseeable future base packages and buy to own will continue side by side with Logos Now. Similar to the current system of rentals and purchases.
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Mark Smith said:Dylan Rondeau said:
We've actually fulfilled the six week update cycle for the past several releases
So if history is an predictor of the future...
Yes, sorry! I wasn't trying to be vague. As far as I am aware, we are planning on sticking to the six-week schedule, though I'm not involved in deciding what or when new features are added. I was merely trying to illustrate that it wasn't a philosophical thing we're looking at someday doing, but something we've already shifted to successfully.
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Alexander said:Russ White said:Phil Gons said:
It’s access to the future of Logos Bible Software, today.
And yet -- there is the promise that updates to the base packages will continue. So -- I'm a little confused. Is a web based app the future of logos, or... ?? If it is, then I'll stop investing now, and start working on building a library elsewhere.
Russ
For some of us that have thousands of dollars invested to date, this is crucial. I want to always have a desktop version supported. Online always can be a huge hinderance to gospel work in areas with hostile governments (now or in the future).
[Y] This is one of my major concerns also.
Additionally, I'm bothered that there is no path to ownership. I have a lot invested in Logos, all the current base packages except SDA, But now I don't have access to the latest features unless I subscribe and that only gives me temporary access. Why can't I have equal access to new features and be able to own them? I have no objection to a slightly higher monthly membership fee that gave me early access, etc that also gave me full ownership up to the currently paid month.
Not real sure how I feel about this at the moment.
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Lynden Williams said:
...for the foreseeable future...
These words, combined with the constant drumbeat of "Logos is going cloud" for these last several years, are specifically what bothers me. Office is "cloud based," but you still download a copy that's used on your local computer. If Logos turns into "you must be connected to the Internet to use this software," then it won't be much use any longer, as far as I'm concerned.
It would be nice to know this now, before I invest another $40k and many many hours into the software.
Russ
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Russ White said:Phil Gons said:
It’s access to the future of Logos Bible Software, today.
And yet -- there is the promise that updates to the base packages will continue. So -- I'm a little confused. Is a web based app the future of logos, or... ?? If it is, then I'll stop investing now, and start working on building a library elsewhere.
Faithlife is committed to still provide updates to base packages. Based on that I'm going to continue to invest.
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Russ White said:Lynden Williams said:
...for the foreseeable future...
These words, combined with the constant drumbeat of "Logos is going cloud" for these last several years, are specifically what bothers me. Office is "cloud based," but you still download a copy that's used on your local computer. If Logos turns into "you must be connected to the Internet to use this software," then it won't be much use any longer, as far as I'm concerned.
It would be nice to know this now, before I invest another $40k and many many hours into the software.
Russ
Russ, what if lets say 75 - 85 percent of Logos customers want some tyep of rental/subscription basis 20 years from now. Would it be practical to continue the current model. Not speaking for Logos, but I remember just a few years ago, when Sprint, ATT and a few other telephone operators were running ads competing against each other over .10 cents a minute weekend, and .15 centss any hour of the day.
I remember when you had to pay serious money to call overseas. Now I can call anyone using Skype and imo on my android phone. All I need to do is put their number in my mobile phone and if they have the same software and data we can talk forever. That has not changed the model of making a telephone call the regular way. Pay lots of money.
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Randy W. Sims said:
I have a lot invested in Logos, all the current base packages except SDA, But now I don't have access to the latest features unless I subscribe and that only gives me temporary access. Why can't I have equal access to new features and be able to own them?
Logos Now just gives us early access to the features which will be available for ownership at a later time with a new version.
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