Announcing New Logos Video Tools: Learn Biblical Greek and Hebrew with Logos
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Jeremiah Daniel Morris said:
...it can be a daunting task in learning them all. This is my only issue.
But, that's precisely the issue. Look... just to be honest... I'm no rocket scientist. Okay? I'm one of those guys Jacob (Jacob Hantla, few posts above) referred to in a kind-of "clergy-laity" way. I have no "understanding and familiarity with original languages and language theory." I'm trying to work on that, but I'm just an average guy from no-where, Missouri, that now lives on the mission field, preaching on the streets, discipling, and pastoring a church God allowed me to start. I'm not part of "the elite" (I don't have "that knowledge" that the other, better educated do). I'm just a normal guy slugging it out with too little support and too much ministry (a typical testimony for many of you guys, too, I'm sure). I have a wee, tiny, pathetic budget. So, as I sit on the fence with this massive investment in a software package... and someone comes along and says that key concepts are not explained in the programs help files... ??? What am I to think?
Greg
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In all respect guys, it does not look fair to me how you present Logos way of instructing it's users. Help files are always basic. In all software. When you compare Logos 4 with Adobe Photoshop etc. you should add that most serious professional users would buy books on "How to use Photoshop", consult forums and all other means. They have to know all the theory about the digital pictures etc. You really think Help files are to do the job teaching you how to do all you can do with such a complex tool as Logos is?
And one more thing. I agree help files can be better but suggestion was to trade the language video course for those better help files. IMHO it is not right to put this 2 things against itself. I doubt and you also know that, that it hardly would be that language experts would be working on help files if not working on the tool we speak about in this thread. Sorry if I am not clear enough or sensitive enough with my English.
Bohuslav
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JackCaviness said:
Perhaps you should also consider that the harsh opinions expressed by a handful of discontented users in this
Discontented about the lack of inherant instructional material yes, in other areas no.
JackCaviness said:but then I am willing to actually use the program to find out how it functions
I've been using it, and LOVE it... but would still like better material from Logos that helps me along the way...
JackCaviness said:and I can watch user prepared videos that far exceed the best help system ever devised in usefulness.
VERY thankful for the user vids, with out them there would be a lot more confustion/questions
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Jeremiah,
You put it very well. I (and others who know the help section needs serious, ahem, help) thank you for your candor.
Matt
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Boris, I can only conclude that you have limited experience with Photoshop. *All* features (at least I've never found a one) are documented. All dialogs, all sliders, *all*. That's what one expects from a product that costs as much as Photoshop. I could argue that Visual Studio's help system has *too* much information. Have you ever looked at Wolfram Mathematica? It's help system is incredibly detailed with page after page of examples on how to leverage it to its full power. It's what one expects from any software which one pays for, especially one in the many hundreds to thousands of dollars. No matter how much you want to get around it, Logos 4's help system is anemic.
Matt
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Quad Xeon 2.83 GHz x2
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Gregory Kedrovsky said:
But, that's precisely the issue. Look... just to be honest... I'm no rocket scientist. Okay? I'm one of those guys Jacob (Jacob Hantla, few posts above) referred to in a kind-of "clergy-laity" way. I have no "understanding and familiarity with original languages and language theory.
No problem brother. While I did go to Bible College I didn't take any original language courses (Missions program didn't require it) and one certainly does NOT have to have a degree in order to serve the Lord... (Logos REALLY helps those of us with out formal language training, you do NOT have to know Greek/Hebrew in order to use the tools in L4)
Logos Bible Software works well for all users. You can be as basic or as advanced (with training) as you want to be. Logos 4 actually helps a more inexperienced new user than Logos 3 did because they have streamlined some of the functioning.
While there are some Logos fans that don't like anyone voicing any kind of complaints (I too am still a Logos fan), one of the great things about the company is they listen to us and often enhance the program because of it...
Unfortunately when I have an opinion I often over-state it in both words and tone. I think I just did that with my previous posts. My points about the lack of inherent training for Logos has been a beef for a few years now, and I was also partially responding to a post that I didn't think treated another post very fairly...
Let me state again... Investing in Logos is a good idea for any servant of the Lord....
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Matt said:
Boris, I can only conclude that you have limited experience with Photoshop. *All* features (at least I've never found a one) are documented. All dialogs, all sliders, *all*. That's what one expects from a product that costs as much as Photoshop. I could argue that Visual Studio's help system has *too* much information. Have you ever looked at Wolfram Mathematica? It's help system is incredibly detailed with page after page of examples on how to leverage it to its full power. It's what one expects from any software which one pays for, especially one in the many hundreds to thousands of dollars. No matter how much you want to get around it, Logos 4's help system is anemic.
Matt
My name is not Boris, but anyways, I got your point. You might be right. Of course I am not professional graphic, I am pastor. I have 2 people working for our church and the publishing house with that professional software. I speak from the observation. These guys study tons of materials about the matter. Go to seminars etc. I am anxious to see these pages after pages of help files.
Bohuslav
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Bohuslav,
I apologize. For some reason, my English brain transliterated your name into 'Boris.' Let me be clear: I think Logos 4 is amazing software with a lot of potential. I am used to using software that has an abundance of help built-in (Libronix 3 did, although it needed some work itself), and I have been sorely disappointed with the help system. When I saw that this new product was in pre-pub, I was a bit taken aback, because I found it to be a bit ironic that Logos is developing a new product (and charging handsomely for it) that exists to teach people how to use the language tools, when the help system is so 'unhelpful.'
Matt
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Quad Xeon 2.83 GHz x2
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Matt said:
Bohuslav,
I apologize. For some reason, my English brain transliterated your name into 'Boris.' Let me be clear: I think Logos 4 is amazing software with a lot of potential. I am used to using software that has an abundance of help built-in (Libronix 3 did, although it needed some work itself), and I have been sorely disappointed with the help system. When I saw that this new product was in pre-pub, I was a bit taken aback, because I found it to be a bit ironic that Logos is developing a new product (and charging handsomely for it) that exists to teach people how to use the language tools, when the help system is so 'unhelpful.'
Matt
No problem. I heard my name in all possible ways [:)]
May be I was so surprised by you putting these 2 things against each other because I did not look at the language course as the tool which should help me to use Logos software. I understood the announcement as an opportunity to improve language skills (of course using Logos in doing that).
I would compare it to buying a car with the manual where I have all the fuses and spear wheel and other stuff. Than there would be an offer from the same company to do driving course to teach people how to drive a car. 2 separate things. Yes, we might need a better manual, but to "drive" Logos well is IMHO whole other matter.
Bohuslav
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
I would compare it to buying a car with the manual where I have all the fuses and spear wheel and other stuff. Than there would be an offer from the same company to do driving course to teach people how to drive a car. 2 separate things. Yes, we might need a better manual, but to "drive" Logos well is IMHO whole other matter.
While I'm not in complete agreement, still an interesting way of looking at it Bohuslav.
However, learning to drive is not specific to only one type of vehicle, the ability to drive is general. The functions that ARE specific to the vehicle I'd EXPECT to be in the manual.
Logos is a very specific program, a brand new user would have a hard time jumping "in" it and "driving" it well.
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Jeremiah Daniel Morris said:
Logos is a very specific program, a brand new user would have a VERY hard time jumping "in" it and "driving" it well.
Yes, you are right. It just proves every illustration is limited [:)] It starts to be really late here on this side of the ocean. I better go for today. Enjoy your time. God bless you.
Bohuslav
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
It just proves every illustration is limited
Well met, indeed true
Bohuslav Wojnar said:I better go for today. Enjoy your time. God bless you.
Always a pleasure reading your posts.
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Gregory Kedrovsky said:
I'm one of those guys Jacob (Jacob Hantla, few posts above) referred to in a kind-of "clergy-laity" way. I have no "understanding and familiarity with original languages and language theory." I'm trying to work on that, but I'm just an average guy from no-where, Missouri, that now lives on the mission field, preaching on the streets, discipling, and pastoring a church God allowed me to start. I'm not part of "the elite" (I don't have "that knowledge" that the other, better educated do). I'm just a normal guy slugging it out with too little support and too much ministry (a typical testimony for many of you guys, too, I'm sure). I have a wee, tiny, pathetic budget. So, as I sit on the fence with this massive investment in a software package... and someone comes along and says that key concepts are not explained in the programs help files... ??? What am I to think?
The type of help these videos will provide are not the type of information we should expect any software company to provide. Let me use an analogy--think of the Logos help file as an automobile owners manual and these new Greek and Hebrew videos as advanced driving lessons. A good owners manual in a new car should explain how each feature in your new car works, but no one expects a car company to write an owners manual that teachers you how to drive a car.
No one is trying to be elitist. As a pastor, I would love it if everyone of my members knew Greek and Hebrew. I have even offered to teach individuals, but when they find out the amount of time and effort it takes they have all declined. With the tools that Logos gives us, some of the hard work can be avoided, but not all of it. To really learn what these video will teach will take multiple viewings and a lot of practicing of what you have learned. In other words, it is going to a take hard work. If this makes seminary trained clergy "elitist" then they are no more elitist than anyone else who has taken the time and effort to learn an advanced skill.
I pray that as someone who has taken the responsibility to pastor a church you will put in the hard work to become "elitist" as well. I believe these videos and the Logos Scholars Edition will be a great help to you and your ministry. I am sure I can speak for all the rest of the clergy here that if you have a question as to how to use Logos to study the Bible in English or in the original languages we will do all we can to explain to you how to do it. We have a passion for souls and we know it is only through God's Word that people are born again and transformed after the image of Jesus Christ.
As for the help files themselves, I have already stated in another thread that I think they are lacking. However they are not totally useless and to expect even the best written help files to coach you as to how to study the bible is not realistic. Beyond the original languages there is a lot of skills and knowledge a person needs to study the Bible period. The best book I know of right now is "Grasping God's Word."
God's blessings on you and your ministry.
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P. Keith Larson said:
As a pastor, I would love it if everyone of my members knew Greek and Hebrew. I have even offered to teach individuals,...
Boy, I wish I had you as a pastor. I have been dying to learn Greek and Hebrew. I have never lived in a place that offers Greek or Hebrew studies. Are there any places that do offer it at distance. I would like to try that. Of course now it will be tough to even do that as finances are getting extremely tight. I have placed on order this set of videos. I really hope I will learn something from them. If you could be a long distance teacher I would love that. However, I understand if you can't as you have your own flock to tend to.
William
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P. Keith Larson said:
The best book I know of right now is "Grasping God's Word."
Another added bonus is the appendix 3:building a personal library portion.
P. Keith Larson said:A good owners manual in a new car should explain how each feature in your new car works, but no one expects a car company to write an owners manual that teachers you how to drive a car.
I have been following this thread with some interest. The seminary that I am attending offers courses in both Greek Tools and Hebrews Tools, that were specifically designed to teach those of us without the language background how to properly use and understand the tools. It is my impression that these videos will do that, not just merely show which buttons to push and searches to run (mechanics) but the actual application and understanding of what we can find. So if I may refine you analogy, they are not just teaching us how to drive a car, but where to drive it, why we want to get there, and what we should do when we arrive at our destination.
It is that additional application and understanding of the what and why more than the how that drove me to order. If I have read to much into the program, please let me know.
In Christ,
Dave
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William Bingham said:
If you could be a long distance teacher I would love that.
If you are really interested, email me at phillphan(at)live.com and I can send you some links to some free resources, that get you deeper into the languages themselves (to compliment not compete with the Logos tools)...
In Christ,
Dave
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William Bingham said:P. Keith Larson said:
As a pastor, I would love it if everyone of my members knew Greek and Hebrew. I have even offered to teach individuals,...
Boy, I wish I had you as a pastor. I have been dying to learn Greek and Hebrew. I have never lived in a place that offers Greek or Hebrew studies. Are there any places that do offer it at distance. I would like to try that. Of course now it will be tough to even do that as finances are getting extremely tight. I have placed on order this set of videos. I really hope I will learn something from them. If you could be a long distance teacher I would love that. However, I understand if you can't as you have your own flock to tend to.
William
William,
Have you seen Greek Tutor and Hebrew Tutor softwares? Before I went to seminary, I used the Greek Tutor for self-studies. I hadn't gone through the whole software before I started Greek at seminary (only about 30% of it), but I have since gone back and used those softwares to review Greek and Hebrew grammars and they do seem to be quite okay. Google them, and they are not too expensive neither. If you are stuck in any portion during you self-study, you can email me and I can try to help you out.
Edwin
edwin_kwk@yahoo.com.au
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EdwinKwok said:
Edwin
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You may wish to edit your email to read edwin_kwk(at)yahoo.com.au to prevent webcrawlers from spamming your inbox..
DP
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David A. Peterson said:William Bingham said:
If you could be a long distance teacher I would love that.
If you are really interested, email me at phillphan(at)live.com and I can send you some links to some free resources, that get you deeper into the languages themselves (to compliment not compete with the Logos tools)...
In Christ,
Dave
As David has just said there are many free resources to get your started and Logos has a number of very good Greek grammars. Logos offers a number of very good grammars. Whatever you go with you can always ask questions here and as you have just seen many are eager to help. The key is to do a little each day.
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David A. Peterson said:
So if I may refine you analogy, they are not just teaching us how to drive a car, but where to drive it, why we want to get there, and what we should do when we arrive at our destination.
Yes you may. [:)]
I think this illustrates very well why Logos does not need to delay this resource to improve the help file.
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EdwinKwok said:
Have you seen Greek Tutor and Hebrew Tutor softwares?
I too would recommend these programs.
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Thanks for the tip, but is it too late to do it now?
Edwin
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You can try, if you look at the upper right corner of your original post, click on the edit button and just change it, if not, we can ask around and email the staff and get them to change it.
In Christ,
Dave
EdwinKwok said:Thanks for the tip, but is it too late to do it now?
Edwin
I don't know why 10 hours is stuck in my head, that maybe to delete it Just read in another post that it is 18 hours to edit a post
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Gregory Kedrovsky said:GabrielValencia said:
Despite the recommendations, does anyone know if the Leader's Library would suffice to use this series? I also find this very enticing, but don't think it's worth the $600+ for the Scholar's Library.
That was my thinking, too. It was actually recommended to me (for my studies, etc.) that I get the "Gold" package. $1300.00. Ouch. So... since the Greek/Hebrew Learning Videos recommend the Scholar's Library, I started looking at that. But, still: $500-plus, in addition to BDAG and a Hebrew Lexicon... Ouch, again.
However, if you look over the comparison chart, especially the categories "Original Language Grammars and Tools" and "Original Language Lexicons" (toward the bottom), you'll see that the Leader's Library just doesn't make the grade for language work. You could maybe make the Langugae Library work, but for me it really doesn't look appealing because it's missing so many of the commentaries, etc. And you're still talking $400 plus BDAG and Hebrew Lexicon (ouch one more time).
I guess it's a "cost-benefit" decision. Will the benefit derived from Logos justify the cost? I'm still on the fence with that one (especially since I seem to study better with books, pen, and paper... the "old paths" of the Luddite).
Greg
Greg,
If you are thinking of the Gold, the difference between the Gold and Platinum is about $300 and it contains BDAG and many commentary sets and resources that add up to a huge benefit for the $300 price difference. Many of the commentary sets included are more than $300 if purchased alone. BDAG is $150 of that $300 difference. Definitely worth considering.
The benefit derived from Logos definitely justifies the cost IF you will use it. It is certainly a TIME and SPACE saver over the book and paper method. The speed of searching is so fast. Then just click on the link and open the resource. You can search your entire library in a matter of seconds, compared to hours with books. It will give you every place a verse or item is referenced...giving you more resources than you would even attempt with a book library. Would you search your whole library for the information? Plus you can copy and paste information which is a huge time savings over writing by hand. Even if you do what I use to do and copy my book pages and mark them up to create my reference file...that's alot of paper, copying and storage. What is the value of your time and storage space? Plus you can take your whole library with you anywhere if you have a laptop. Yes there will be a learning curve, but Logos 4 is way more intuitive than Libronex 3 was. They made it much easier to use.
Here's a suggestion... Check with customer service on this, but it is my understanding that if you are not pleased with the product that you can return it for a full refund within 30 days. If you buy it on the payment plan, you can spread the purchase out over up to 12 months so you won't have to lay down all the money up front and you can pay it off at anytime. By purchasing on the payment plan you would be able to basically try it for 30 days with a lower out of pocket and if you decide you don't like it (which I highly doubt) you can return it and get a full refund.
I have several different Bible Study software programs and this is my absolute favorite. Some of the others I have only because, regrettably, that is where I started, some I purchased because they offered resources that Logos didn't offer at the time. If I had to choose just one, it would be Logos.
Happy studying.
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P. Keith Larson said:
We have a passion for souls and we know it is only through God's Word that people are born again and transformed after the image of Jesus Christ.
Thank you, Keith:
Nicely phrased etc.
Regards
Steve F
Regards, SteveF
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Greg,
LOGOS is an amazing product. ALL of us agree to that. We buy LOGOS for what it CAN do - which if this were only limited to the tutorial videos would be WELL worth the price. BUT, it can do SO MUCH MORE and as you continue to grow and as you want to do more - you can. LOGOS is packed with helpful advanced features, but the "out of the box" tools and resources are easily accessible and enormously productive.
Building a library of searchable resources that can cut hours and hours off your work load and give you access to a broader range of options than you would otherwise have had is something that no other bible software product can do. The company IS committed to their client base and are always including us in the growth process and further development = improvement of the software. On a practical basis, I have grown since I started using LOGOS. My ability to effectively serve my congregation has also improved and because of that, my congregation has grown. Yes, it is costly. But that cost is capable of producing benefits far beyond the initial outlay. It took me about two years before I "took the plunge" and purchased my package (largely because of cost). But now that I have been using it - I only wish I had bought it sooner. i am confident that most (/almost every) user has a similar sentiment.
I think what Praiser said is very helpful - I have the Platinum and am abundantly pleased. I look at it as a lifetime investment. For your consideration, I would say - make a call to the 800 number and speak to a sales rep. They will probably be able to give you a better arrangement that you thought possible. That might help you (it sure helped me) to make your decision.
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I have BDAG and no clue how to switch to the Greek alphabet to type a word into BDAG to look it up. What do I need to do?
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Grace & Peace,
Bill
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We're getting close to "mid-February" (the earliest this product would be ready). I wonder... has anyone heard anything? Any news about a release date?
Greg
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Well here it is Feb 24th and I was wondering what the status is of getting this sent out. I for one could really use this in a coming quarter.
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Does anyone know when this video will ship? I am "dying" to get my hands on it.
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Trying to resurrect this thread...any news about the Hebrew and Greek videos??? I just purchased, so I'm glad for the delay (yes, I know there was never a promise that it would be ready by now, just a prediction). I'm up for another prediction from anyone with any "knowledge"! Dale Pritchett are you out there?[:)]
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RobertGray said:any news about the Hebrew and Greek videos?
At this page:
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/16273.aspx
there was this response:
Donald
McNeeley
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Yesterday 3:19 PMYesterday during a faculty presentation
conference, Bob stated taht he expected the product out in 60 days.Regards, SteveF
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Looks as if it will be shipping out on June 10! YAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! I can not wait for this to come out. It is coming out on the right time, I will have the rest of the summer to work on my greek before school starts.
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Jerry Walker said:
I will have the rest of the summer to work on my greek before school starts.
Jerry if you want to use this summer to prepare for Greek classes I suggest a good Greek grammar, flash cards and two to three hours of hard work and study per day, everyday during the summer. There are no short cuts to learning a language. Watching these videos will not give you the skills of a third year language student. NOT EVEN CLOSE!!
I am amazed that people still think this product is going to help teach them Greek and Hebrew. It is nothing more than a video version of Mounce's "Greek for the Rest of Us." or the Greek in a Week workshops. It will teach you the meaning of grammar terms, so that a person WHO DOES NOT KNOW GREEK OR HEBREW can can make some use of the original language tools found in Logos. I am afraid that many people are going to be very disappointed. The title of this product is very misleading.
I say this not to suggest this product is not useful (I have ordered it myself), but help people understand it is not designed to teach these languages, but only how to use original language tools as well as a third year student; and using original language tools is not the same as knowing the language.
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Any recommendations on a good grammar product offered by Logos?
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Well, I "had" ordered this when it came out on pre-pub and although it might be helpful I can't see spending that kind of money on a set of videos. There are no shortcuts to learning a language and so I cancelled mine thid morning. I'll be interested in hear those of you who get it your thoughts.
Just spent a grand on vehicle repairs, which were more pressing [:D].
In Christ,
Ken
Lenovo Yoga 7 15ITL5 Touch Screen; 11th Gen Intel i7 2.8Ghz; 12Gb RAM; 500Gb SDD;WIN 11
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Kenneth Shawver said:
There are no shortcuts to learning a language
Agreed, Kenneth.
I just wanted to comment here as well. The way these video's are being touted is a little misleading as you probably already know. As a person that has never studied the language I am using it just for the How to use the BDAG and/or HALOT [ the language tools ] properly. I am in the mean time going through Mounce's Grammar. (not logos yet)
Sorry to hear about the vehicle. Hope it will run like a dream for the next 100,000 miles.
William
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RonaldQuick said:
Any recommendations on a good grammar product offered by Logos?
Of the ones from Logos I like Black's "Learn to Read New Testament Greek." http://www.logos.com/products/details/5195
Mounce of course is a standard and by June all his lectures will be out in video. The website is http://www.learnbiblicalgreek.com/index.php?page=home
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If we were to copy these DVD's to the HD, how much room do they need?
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I'd really like to get started on a deeper understanding of Hebrew and Greek.
Still, weighing the pros and cons I have chosen the Leader's Library for its variety of resources.
This superseded over the overpowering Language Tools in the Original Languages Library
which I do not need in all its vastness.
Hoping to be able to upgrade somehow, I find after purchasing the Leader's Library that the nearest upgrade possible to the 'Original Language Grammars and Tools' section build in, is to go for the expensive Silver Library—not even the Original Language Library!
The nearest upgrade Logos offers is the Scholar's Library, as more people have found out. This, however, does not have the Original Language Grammars and Tools I seek.
Why can't one add the Original Languages Library after purchasing the Leader's Library? Better yet, why not sell separate blocks of Libraries so one can buy the sections one really needs?
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B.M. said:
Why can't one add the Original Languages Library after purchasing the Leader's Library?
You can, but as there is no overlap, you won't get a price break.
B.M. said:why not sell separate blocks of Libraries so one can buy the sections one really needs?
Make a list of the resources you most strongly desire and call sales. One of those very helpful people will give you the best possible price.
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The Original Languages library is considered to be an entry level package and as such the web site does not offer it as an upgrade from the Home or Leaders library. However, with that said you can call sales and ask for a custom upgrade price (it's happened before).
See: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/4961/47100.aspx#47100
Prov. 15:23
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Keith,
I've taken Mounce's 1st Year Greek and am now working through the "Graded Reader". I also start up 2nd Year Greek in January.
My concern is that I'm mastering or already have mastered the basics that these video go over. I can use the "Bible Word Study" and "Exegetical Guide" fine. I really want to dive deeper into concepts beyond the basics. For example, rather than just Aorist Tense, I want to know the difference and uses of Constative and Culminative Aorist.
Will these videos help me achieve this goal? Or do they only teach you the basics of grammar and therefore the basics of exegeting in the tool?
Thanks so much for your time. Your insights are invaluable.
Mike
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These videos will NOT help you with these types of subjects. They are not designed to do this.
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Michael Weber said:
For example, rather than just Aorist Tense, I want to know the difference and uses of Constative and Culminative Aorist.
Greek has 31 videos; # 19 focuses on Aorist tense, constative aorist is mentioned in Fallacy segment (near time of 00:03:41 to 00:03:51 => majority of aorist usage is constative, simply happened). Learned Logos can do morph search while in a Bible Search:
Fallacy primary point is assuming "once for all" implication for aorist does not fit well with Jesus twice went up to Jerusalem. Video mentions couple aorist usages in Hebrew 7:27 plus showing literal "once for all" in verse context. Option: can search Logos library for: "once-for-all" NEAR aorist to find divergent view points. Likewise can search for: aorist NEAR constative and aorist NEAR culminative to find many results.
Greek # 19 Aorist video also includes Ingressive, Proverbial (gnomic), and Literary (epistolary) segments with an example of each type. The ingressive aorist example included a commentary that looked at context to determine ingressive label appropriate vis timeless.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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I was wondering with these videos are compatible with L5?
http://www.logos.com/product/5876/learn-to-use-biblical-greek-and-hebrew-with-logos-bible-software
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Kelvin Niblett said:
I was wondering with these videos are compatible with L5?
http://www.logos.com/product/5876/learn-to-use-biblical-greek-and-hebrew-with-logos-bible-software
By "compatible" meaning does it run with it? Well, the video runs alongside Logos not in it, so it doesn't matter what version you've got. As for whether the video accurately describes what Logos 5 looks like, given that it was made with Logos 4, yes to a great extent. All the features mentioned in the video still exist and still work pretty much the same way in Logos 5. There are new features that have been introduced in Logos 5 that are not covered in the videos. Logos is at work making an update of the videos specifically for Logos 5, but we don't know when those will be ready.
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Rosie Perera said:
All the features mentioned in the video still exist and still work pretty much the same way in Logos 5.
I guess the one exception to this which has tripped up a few people is the use of visual filters for Hebrew - while the concepts are the same the underlying morphology used has been changed. http://community.logos.com/forums/p/61754/437394.aspx#437394 has more on this.
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Rosie Perera said:
By "compatible" meaning does it run with it? Well, the video runs alongside Logos not in it, so it doesn't matter what version you've got. As for whether the video accurately describes what Logos 5 looks like, given that it was made with Logos 4, yes to a great extent. All the features mentioned in the video still exist and still work pretty much the same way in Logos 5. There are new features that have been introduced in Logos 5 that are not covered in the videos. Logos is at work making an update of the videos specifically for Logos 5, but we don't know when those will be ready.
The question I asked should have been, If I was to purchase these video's will I get a free update to the L5 version?
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