Cited By Tool behavior

This is kind of a general 'why' question.

In my Cited By tool, some of the collections show the number of hits, and some don't. Some of the collections with no hits are greyed out, and some aren't. These will only grey out or show hits if the are expanded then closed.

Why do some of them show hits and others don't, and why do those with no hits not grey out up front?

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MJ. Smith

I believe (but am not absolutely sure) that those segments which are dark without numbers have not run yet. If you click on them they will run and either (a) show a number or (b) become grayed out.

Doc B

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/736840#Comment_736840

Thanks, MJ. I'll play with it and see if that's the case.

Another behavior that makes me ask, "Whassup" is how long it takes for these individual collections to populate. My understanding is, by putting up with terribly long indexing periods, the incidental searches would be very fast. But some of these collections cycle the dots for several (literal) minutes before popping up any hits.

My library isn't huge (about 2K items). Is this expected behavior? Most other searches don't take nearly as much time.

Don Awalt

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/736956#Comment_736956

Hi Doc, there have been many complaints on the usability of Cited By if you search for it. Here is one thread that includes your issue:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/99819/690091.aspx#690091

Doc B

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/736958#Comment_736958

Here is one thread that includes your issue:

How much of that has been implemented?

Don Awalt

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/736967#Comment_736967

Here is one thread that includes your issue:

How much of that has been implemented?

None yet - but I am (my own opinion) thinking that we may see it in one of these upcoming point releases for version 6, given when this thread was dated. It is not in 6.4, fingers crossed for 6.5 or 6.6!

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/736956#Comment_736956

Thanks, MJ. I'll play with it and see if that's the case.

Another behavior that makes me ask, "Whassup" is how long it takes for these individual collections to populate. My understanding is, by putting up with terribly long indexing periods, the incidental searches would be very fast. But some of these collections cycle the dots for several (literal) minutes before popping up any hits.

My library isn't huge (about 2K items). Is this expected behavior? Most other searches don't take nearly as much time.

Have only one tab open and it populates quickly. Have two tabs open slightly downgrades the search as they compete for the same resources. Have three tabs open .... Have eighty tabs open and they is more time spent fighting over which thread gets the computer cycles than is spent actually doing any work ... so it takes forever for a single thread to complete. (80 is made up, I don't know what the actual cutoff of reasonable number of threads is).

Doc B

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/737046#Comment_737046

Have only one tab open and it populates quickly.

I'm aware of this behavior as I've seen it in other guides, etc., and it is expected behavior. But this observation is made when there is one tab open in the Cited By tool. One tab only. I'd post a video of my screen, but I can't figure out how to load one in the forums.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/737074#Comment_737074

I have a number of places where something populates very slowly the first time but thereafter it and similar items load quickly. Is that the case here for you or is it always very slow?

Doc B

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/737077#Comment_737077

I have a number of places where something populates very slowly the first time but thereafter it and similar items load quickly. Is that the case here for you or is it always very slow?

I've only recently started trying to use this tool, so I don't have a lot of experience with it. I'll play with it on a couple different computers and see how much change there is when I re-use it.

Doc B

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/737101#Comment_737101

If I run the tool on a verse range that I ran recently, the collections indeed seem to populate more quickly. On verse ranges that are novel, not so much.

Is there a keyboard shortcut to run the Cited By tool? If so, I can't find it in the help file.