New Feature: New Testament Manuscript Explorer (Interactive)

Jacob Cerone
Jacob Cerone Member, Logos Employee Posts: 293
edited November 20 in English Forum

What is it?

The New Testament Manuscript Explorer allows you to filter all the extant manuscript evidence according to type of manuscript, contents, date, textual family, and more.

How does it work?

New Testament manuscripts into a helpful interactive tool that lets you navigate, sort, and filter countless manuscript witnesses to the text of the New Testament. Find all manuscripts containing a portion of the Gospels copied in the 3rd century. Or find all the manuscripts that are a part of the Byzantine text type.

Where can I learn more?

Watch this feature in action here: https://logos.wistia.com/medias/ap51tnabo5

Comments

  • John Kight
    John Kight Member Posts: 1,618

    This wonderful! Well done team!

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  • GregW
    GregW Member Posts: 848 ✭✭

    Where can I learn more?

    Logos.com/Features#LogosNow 

    Thank you Jacob - I'm afraid your link appears to be broken. 


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  • Jacob Cerone
    Jacob Cerone Member, Logos Employee Posts: 293

    Thank you Jacob - I'm afraid your link appears to be broken. 

    Thanks for the heads up on the broken link. I've removed it and will replace it when we have a video up for it!

  • James Taylor
    James Taylor Member Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭

    Love this new interactive tool! Excellent job Faithlife! 

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  • James Taylor
    James Taylor Member Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭

    By the way, the book cover is wrong. But the tool is amazing so... I'm not too offended :-) but just thought you'd like to know.

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  • Matthew
    Matthew Member Posts: 941

    Happy to see textual criticism getting more love! From the screenshot it looks like some of the manuscript names may be links but not others. Is that correct? If so, do they link to transcriptions or to images? Thanks!

  • James Taylor
    James Taylor Member Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭

    Only the ones in Logos have links, they are linked to the actual transcripts within Logos, and also have a link to the website hosting the image

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  • Rick Brannan (Logos)
    Rick Brannan (Logos) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 1,862

    By the way, the book cover is wrong. But the tool is amazing so... I'm not too offended :-) but just thought you'd like to know.

    This is known and fixed, I believe. You may need to restart Logos and/or update resources.

    Rick Brannan
    Data Wrangler, Faithlife
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  • Rick Brannan (Logos)
    Rick Brannan (Logos) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 1,862

    Only the ones in Logos have links, they are linked to the actual transcripts within Logos, and also have a link to the website hosting the image

    Yes, the manuscript detail will link to the manuscript information at the NTVMR. Depending on access (read the "About" text in the interactive) you can see images if they exist and transcriptions if they exist.

    Rick Brannan
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  • Matthew
    Matthew Member Posts: 941

    they are linked to the actual transcripts within Logos, and also have a link to the website hosting the image

    Interesting. Lays the groundwork for an interactive Church Fathers explorer and then an interactive textual variant explorer that displays all varients between texts of our choice. Hey, I can dream! [:)]

  • James Taylor
    James Taylor Member Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭

    do they link to transcriptions or to images

    1. The title of the manuscript links to the resource within Logos (if you own it)

    2. Links to where the image is from to see the picture of the manuscript on the website

    3. The passages the manuscript contains is linked to your Bible

    4. The dating of the manuscript shows a popup of the same thing unabreviated (3rd becomes Third)

    5. Links to the website of the place where the manuscript is housed

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  • James Taylor
    James Taylor Member Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭

    Thanks Rick, guess we were posting simultaneously. I appreciate the clarification.

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  • James Taylor
    James Taylor Member Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭

    The dating of the manuscript shows a popup of the same thing unabreviated (3rd becomes Third)

    And when clicked it takes you to the timeline [Y]

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  • Rick Brannan (Logos)
    Rick Brannan (Logos) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 1,862

    Thanks Rick, guess we were posting simultaneously. I appreciate the clarification.

    No worries — your response was definitely more informative, and I'm sure folks appreciate your helpful graphic too! Thanks for the contribution!

    Rick Brannan
    Data Wrangler, Faithlife
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  • James Taylor
    James Taylor Member Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭

    This is known and fixed, I believe. You may need to restart Logos and/or update resources.

    Yes, after a restart, and after the preparing library finished, now it is displaying the correct one [;)]

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  • Matthew
    Matthew Member Posts: 941

    I was originally on my phone when I posted earlier and did not get a good look at some of the screenshots. I just looked at them on my desktop, and let me just say this -- MIND. BLOWN. This looks incredibly awesome, even better than what I first thought it was. If I may ask another question, would it be a correct assumption that all the data shown the screenshots is self-contained in the interactive resource? For example, we will be able to see which manuscripts are "Consistently Cited in NA28" even if we do not own a separate NA28 apparatus? Great work Faithlife! [Y] [Y] [Y]

  • James Taylor
    James Taylor Member Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭

    would it be a correct assumption that all the data shown the screenshots is self-contained in the interactive resource? For example, we will be able to see which manuscripts are "Consistently Cited in NA28" even if we do not own a separate NA28 apparatus?

    You can still filter the data by that facet and see which manuscripts it cites, but if there's a link, (meaning Logos has that resource tagged) it will just be a link that says, you don't have a license for this resource, if you don't have that resource

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  • Matthew
    Matthew Member Posts: 941

    You can still filter the data by that facet and see which manuscripts it cites, but if there's a link, (meaning Logos has that resource tagged) it will just be a link that says, you don't have a license for this resource, if you don't have that resource

    That's good enough for me! 

  • John Kight
    John Kight Member Posts: 1,618

    I am really pleased with this new interactive. [B]

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  • Phillip J. Long
    Phillip J. Long Member Posts: 22 ✭✭

    I upgraded to 6.4 this morning, and there are no "new updates" pending - but I do not see this resource in the list of interactive tools...where is it located? 

  • John Kight
    John Kight Member Posts: 1,618

    I upgraded to 6.4 this morning, and there are no "new updates" pending - but I do not see this resource in the list of interactive tools...where is it located? 

    Do you currently subscribe to Logos Now?

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  • Phillip J. Long
    Phillip J. Long Member Posts: 22 ✭✭

    No, not Logos now. I did not realize it was only available for that service. 

  • John Kight
    John Kight Member Posts: 1,618

    No, not Logos now. I did not realize it was only available for that service. 

    Yeah, unfortunately for NOW it is only available to those who subscribe to Logos Now. It's a great service, at a minimal monthly price point. If you haven't tried it yet know that you can get a free month trial to give it a test run.  

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  • Beloved Amodeo
    Beloved Amodeo Member Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭

    The New Testament Manuscript Explorer allows you to filter all the extant manuscript evidence according to type of manuscript, contents, date, textual family, and more.

    I'm glad for this! However, awhile back I noted that we don't have two important Mss namely the Bodmer p73 and and p74 Mss. I brought this to the attention of FL. I was given assurances that this oversight would be addressed and I needn't bring it to the attention of the wider community. Well it has been about a year and this has not been closed and I'm wondering if it has fallen off the radar.

    It would be welcome if someone would comment on this and give a time frame for when this will be corrected. Jacob, you are not who I spoke to so I don't hold you responsible, but since you are the spokesperson rolling out this feature I figure you would be a good person to carry this back to whomever can make this right. Thanks!  

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  • Veli Voipio
    Veli Voipio Member, MVP Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭

    This is how it looks for Bodmer p73, in the NT ms explorer and with the net browser on the same screen

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm glad for this! However, awhile back I noted that we don't have two important Mss namely the Bodmer p73 and and p74 Mss. I brought this to the attention of FL. I was given assurances that this oversight would be addressed and I needn't bring it to the attention of the wider community. Well it has been about a year and this has not been closed and I'm wondering if it has fallen off the radar.

    Are these manuscripts in the NTVMR from which Logos extracts the data? -- "The vast majority of data that the New Testament Manuscript Explorer relies upon is accessed from the New Testament Virtual Manuscript Room (NTVMR). " If they are not then we should not expect to find them in the tool. But isn't this the first and the one below the second?

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  • Beloved Amodeo
    Beloved Amodeo Member Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭

    Are these manuscripts in the NTVMR from which Logos extracts the data? -- "The vast majority of data that the New Testament Manuscript Explorer relies upon is accessed from the New Testament Virtual Manuscript Room (NTVMR). " If they are not then we should not expect to find them in the tool. But isn't this the first and the one below the second?

    Thank you MJ and Veli for clearing up the cloud of confusion over how to gain access to the Mss. I thought we could only view those Mss that were hyperlinked within L6. I didn't expand the selection and therefore missed the links to NTVMR.

    Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

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  • Matt Edelen
    Matt Edelen Member Posts: 12

    I would also like to see an interactive textual variant explorer. At first I thought that was what this provided, but it's still very helpful in its own right.