Window 10

While I do not have Windows 10, others have run it without any problems. Since Windows 10 is near release, it should be safe.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749536#Comment_749536

I think what you have (since 10 isn't released until the 31st outside of their beta program) is the offer to reserve your place so that you can upgrade on the 31st (or shortly there after).

MS sometime breaks important things between the final beta and the RTM version. If you depend on Logos for sermon prep or something like that then I would wait a couple weeks and let others be the guinea pigs, and then when they have the kinks figured out, upgrade. I will probably upgrade on one of my machines on day one, and the other once I'm content my primary computer isn't going to go down through the process (or else at a time when if it does go down, I've got the time to fix it).

Any way, as far as I know the current beta is working just fine for those who are using it. I haven't heard of any problems, and when I was beta testing (before I reloaded windows on, and then sold my laptop, which was relatively recently) both were working together just fine on my laptop.

Therese

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749539#Comment_749539

Thanks a lot . I think I wait a bit longer. Therese

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749536#Comment_749536

Since Windows 10 is near release, it should be safe.

The answer should ALWAYS be, "it is in beta, so user beware."

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749548#Comment_749548

Since Windows 10 is near release, it should be safe.

The answer should ALWAYS be, "it is in beta, so user beware."

Thanks Bama. Will keep it in mind.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749560#Comment_749560

I plan to do my Win 10 upgrades one machine at a time. I expect it to be almost entirely uneventful, but MS has a whole lot of code to account for and there will be patches aplenty for those who are first out of the gate.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749567#Comment_749567

This OS release, perhaps more than any other has been pretty well tested. I have high hopes that the upgrade will be uneventful... But were still dealing with MS, and millions, perhaps billions of lines of code. Chances are significant that there will be someone who has a major issue. Like with the L6 release on a particular flavor of Mac OS, something is bound to go sideways for someone.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749574#Comment_749574

Have been reading a little on this "free" item from Microsoft- looks like this is a step to hook the consumers into "subscription" Windows, unless explicitly denied by Microsoft I will be passing on this free bait and switch.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749587#Comment_749587

Have been reading a little on this "free" item from Microsoft- looks like this is a step to hook the consumers into "subscription" Windows, unless explicitly denied by Microsoft I will be passing on this free bait and switch.

Deep inside, I do believe that they are looking to move in the direction of the subscription model. Hopefully it does not cost more than 30.00 a year. I do not upgrade OS when a new one comes out. I get the new Operating System usually with the purchase of a new computer.

James Chandler

I used a beta version of Windows 10 with Logos with nary a problem.

Paul C

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749597#Comment_749597

Deep inside, I do believe that they are looking to move in the direction of the subscription model.

I just don't see it that way. We all have our own slanted outlooks on things. Mine just seems to be slanted in another direction. Windows has been floundering since Vista. They needed to "give" consumers an upgrade that will hopefully...eventually rectify those wounds. Their goal is to offer an OS that will work across all platforms. ... From the smallest phone to the largest PC. If they can make that fly, They will have the revenue they desire. They won't need a subscription model. I have taken the plunge and installed the preview on all my machines. Two months and not a hiccup.

Worse case scenario... I just revert to 8.1 if something unforeseen happens.

Personal Preference.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749607#Comment_749607

Deep inside, I do believe that they are looking to move in the direction of the subscription model.

I just don't see it that way.

FWIW - I don't either.

Frank Sauer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749611#Comment_749611

I've been in since first release of the Preview Program. In all honesty, this may be the best beta testing program I've taken part in, very stable throughout. Most issues I did run into were not related to Microsoft, but to software developers not updating programs to function with the Preview Program.

Logos throughout has worked awesome, I think everyone will like the performance increase that comes with Win 10. IMHO, Win 7 was ok, but The best was XP overall. Win 10 will be near XP as far as stability, performance and productivity if MSFT doesn't change it drastically. My one quip is the insistence of the tiles, however it is geared toward cross platform, touch enabled devices, so it is useful.

Overall, especially with yesterday's release this is release ready.

JohnB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749607#Comment_749607

Windows has been floundering since Vista. They needed to "give" consumers an upgrade that will hopefully...eventually rectify those wounds. Their goal is to offer an OS that will work across all platforms. ... From the smallest phone to the largest PC. If they can make that fly, They will have the revenue they desire.

Yep that is the way my mind is working also.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749607#Comment_749607

Deep inside, I do believe that they are looking to move in the direction of the subscription model.

I just don't see it that way. We all have our own slanted outlooks on things. Mine just seems to be slanted in another direction. Windows has been floundering since Vista. They needed to "give" consumers an upgrade that will hopefully...eventually rectify those wounds. Their goal is to offer an OS that will work across all platforms. ... From the smallest phone to the largest PC. If they can make that fly, They will have the revenue they desire. They won't need a subscription model. I have taken the plunge and installed the preview on all my machines. Two months and not a hiccup.

Worse case scenario... I just revert to 8.1 if something unforeseen happens.

Personal Preference.

I will be very relieved if I am wrong.

James Chandler

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749628#Comment_749628

My own personal experience with Windows 10 has been positive. It's actually faster than 7 or 8, and I think they are trying to relieve a bit of the bloat from the earlier versions.

Paul C

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749628#Comment_749628

I will be very relieved if I am wrong.

I didn't say you were wrong. Microsoft already "offers" a subscription version of the Office Suite. They have introductory cloud services with limited storage that need upgrades if you need more room. (OneNote, OneDrive) However, I don't see the operating system itself being a subscription. You can opt in or out of these services, No matter what OS you choose.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749587#Comment_749587

Have been reading a little on this "free" item from Microsoft- looks like this is a step to hook the consumers into "subscription" Windows, unless explicitly denied by Microsoft I will be passing on this free bait and switch.

That was the rumor for a while, however MS came out and dispelled it.

Link
Another Link

Relevant bits.

Free for the "life of the device" is quite appealing, and a MAJOR shift from where they once were.

Graham Owen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749637#Comment_749637

Think that the key here is that Microsoft will still get a fee when we buy a new PC. It would be interesting to see what percentage of their profit comes from this source rather than the boxed product. I suspect that the OEM deals are very profitable.

This also makes great sense for them from a support perspective. Bob has posted here many times about the cost of supporting old products. This change should mean that over the next few years, once XP is finally gone and users abandon Vista, Microsoft will only need to support a single desktop OS. Same will ultimately also be true for companies like Logos too. Less operating systems to support makes focusing on developing new features easier.

It will be interesting to see how they manage new features in the new incremental delivery approach but I suspect that a lot of corporates will move quickly to 10 because once they are guaranteed to stay current using their existing update policy. At a time when more companies are embracing BYOD and the PC market is under pressure this could prove to be a very smart move indeed by Microsoft.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749699#Comment_749699

As I recall, 8.1 OEM liscenses are cheaper than what you would pay just walking into walmart; likewise I've heard 119$ for an OEM 10 liscense (which won't be transferable to a new PC), vs ~169 for (again if I remember right) a regular upgrade copy. Full version may well be around the 200$ mark.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749699#Comment_749699

I suspect that the OEM deals are very profitable.

Only as wholesale.

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749725#Comment_749725

I suspect that the OEM deals are very profitable.

Only as wholesale.

Actually, OEM versions of Win 8.1 are available with the purchase of some hardware. I recently bought an OEM of Win 8.1 with a 1TB HDD from Amazon (as a bundle). Similar deals are available at NewEgg and other retail sites. So, "wholesale" isn't the right term here.

OEM deals are found bundled with certain computer hardware components.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749725#Comment_749725

Microsoft clearly seems to be borrowing what Apple has been doing for some time now. The OS is really meant to get you into the fold and stay there. Once you are in, you support the whole eco-system. Developers build apps for it, manufacturers sell gear for it, the cloud service helps integrate your use, and so on.

When my old XP box needed to be jettisoned, it was sort of a no-brainer to buy another PC. I could have VM'd for Windows on the Mac, but the PC serves me as a backup as well.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749743#Comment_749743

I suspect that the OEM deals are very profitable.

Only as wholesale.

Actually, OEM versions of Win 8.1 are available with the purchase of some hardware. I recently bought an OEM of Win 8.1 with a 1TB HDD from Amazon (as a bundle). Similar deals are available at NewEgg and other retail sites. So, "wholesale" isn't the right term here.

OEM deals are found bundled with certain computer hardware components.

au contraire! Microsoft sold the licenses wholesale to the manufacturers. The point being: MSFT has a lucrative business selling windows... But at wholesale prices to manufacturers. The percentage of retail sales is a small market for MSFT. Apple, on the other hand, did make money (relatively speaking) by selling its new os's directly to consumers. Most Mac users do upgrade. For many years now, however, it has been in apple's best interest to have near 100% adoption rate for its newest releases... It helps drive hardware sales in the apple ecosystem... So it has given the new OS away free.

The money to be made for MSFT is in the wholesale market... But they also want to push sales of mobile operating systems to manufacturers. Historically PC users DONT update to the new OS, which hampers the development of a robust ecosystem. So MSFT is once again copying apple. More power to them.

J. Remington Bowling

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749574#Comment_749574

Yep, the Windows 10 Preview broken my PC twice. The last time it had major issues was just about two weeks ago. There was a complete failure and I had to reinstall another OS.

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749748#Comment_749748

au contraire! Microsoft sold the licenses wholesale to the manufacturers.

My point is that consumers can get OEM pricing through retail channels.

For those who build their own computers (as I did), or even want to upgrade their current computer and OS, this is a very attractive way to go. Not everyone knows about this.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749838#Comment_749838

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Ted Weis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749846#Comment_749846

If one upgrades from, say, Windows 7 to 10, are all documents, programs erased in the process of transfer?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749884#Comment_749884

If one upgrades from, say, Windows 7 to 10, are all documents, programs erased in the process of transfer?

Short answer No. I have not done the upgrade as yet. See Microsoft blog for details.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749884#Comment_749884

If one upgrades from, say, Windows 7 to 10, are all documents, programs erased in the process of transfer?

I don't know the answer.

I will give you a suggestion: It may be good to do a wipe and fresh install of your device. Make sure you read all instructions. You might need to update first. Maybe some windows techies can chime in, but I know in the "olden" days, there were good reasons to do fresh installations every now and then... especially if you pick up "bloatware" along the way.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749888#Comment_749888

I will give you a suggestion: It may be good to do a wipe and fresh install of your device. Make sure you read all instructions. You might need to update first. Maybe some windows techies can chime in, but I know in the "olden" days, there were good reasons to do fresh installations every now and then... especially if you pick up "bloatware" along the way.

It seems that after the initial install, you can do a clean install without first having to reinstall the previous Win 7 or 8 OS.

Does anyone know how much drive space is required to upgrade from 7 Pro. My space is limited. May delete L6 to free up space and then reinstall. Thought about installing a second drive (Hdd) for 60 GB of documents and picture, but no room for another drive. Getting a larger Ssd is just not an option at this time.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749895#Comment_749895

I have prepped my Win 7 installation for 10. It's an SSD so I removed the recovery partition. That added 15 GB which should be plenty. I've got about 40 GB free altogether now.

There's a disk clean utility built into Windows that lets you remove all those restore point backups it makes before patching. You want maybe a couple, but the rest can be deleted.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749888#Comment_749888

It may be good to do a wipe and fresh install of your device.

Laptops/Notebooks/Tablets can be problematic as drivers for some devices may not be readily available. If their recovery software allows it you should create a backup for drivers and applications, but also check if updates are available on the manufacturer's web site (Win 8.1 versions should be compatible with Win 10). Otherwise you end up with generic drivers, disabled devices and no software features e.g. camera, infra-red device. Installing a new OS is generally much easier with desktop computers.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749895#Comment_749895

Does anyone know how much drive space is required to upgrade from 7 Pro. My space is limited. May delete L6 to free up space and then reinstall. Thought about installing a second drive (Hdd) for 60 GB of documents and picture, but no room for another drive.

Leave applications alone and move documents and pictures to a portable USB drive.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/749915#Comment_749915

Laptops/Notebooks/Tablets can be problematic as drivers for some devices may not be readily available. If their recovery software allows it you should create a backup for drivers and applications, but also check if updates are available on the manufacturer's web site (Win 8.1 versions should be compatible with Win 10). Otherwise you end up with generic drivers, disabled devices and no software features e.g. camera, infra-red device. Installing a new OS is generally much easier with desktop computers.

Thanks for clarifying. [:)]

Wade Wickman

I've been running Logos 6 on some very early Windows 10 non-public pre-release builds all the way up to and through the public early adopter beta program on several different laptops, tablets and desktop machines without a single issue. I've loaded and ran it on clean installs and upgrade installs where Logos 6 was already installed on a Windows 8.1 machine to which I simply applied the Windows 10 upgrade and not only did the software run fine, all my local preferences were retained.

At this point, Logos 6 on Windows 10 seems pretty bullet proof in my experience.

Therese

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/750969#Comment_750969

thank you so much of being our tester.

regards Therese

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/750974#Comment_750974

For those unfamiliar with what's involved, this is a good read.

http://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-prepare-your-pc-for-windows-10/

James Hiddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/751467#Comment_751467

For those unfamiliar with what's involved, this is a good read.

http://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-prepare-your-pc-for-windows-10/

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Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/751467#Comment_751467

For those unfamiliar with what's involved, this is a good read.

http://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-prepare-your-pc-for-windows-10/

Following the links therein alerted me to a salient point for Windows 7 users

you must have SP1
you must have Internet Explorer 11 installed!

With SP1 and IE9 I had not received the Get Windows 10 app, but after updating to IE11 I got the app via Windows Update (KB3035583)! So I can now reserve my copy of Windows 10.