ANNOUNCE: Faithlife ending Logos 5.2b support on September 21, 2015

We are changing Logos 5.2b from the "maintenance" support level to "unsupported" on September 21, 2015. (For a full description of these support levels, please see "About Free Support".)

Logos 5.2b will not be disabled. Your existing install will continue to run with the resources you already have. However, new resources purchased from logos.com may not be readable in Logos 5.2b.

If you are running Windows 7 or later, or Mac OS X 10.9 "Mavericks" or later, you can update from Logos 5.2b to Logos 6 for free. (For a discussion of updating vs crossgrading vs upgrading, please see "Ways to Move to Logos 6".) We strongly recommend that all eligible customers move to Logos 6.

If you are running Windows Vista, then 5.2b is the latest version of Logos that can run on your operating system. It will continue to work with the resources you already have, but will no longer receive updates.

If you are running OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion" (or earlier), you may be able to update to OS X 10.10 "Yosemite" for free. (And once you do that, you can install Logos 6.) See Apple's "How to Upgrade" article to determine whether Yosemite is compatible with your computer.

Very few Logos users remain on Vista/10.8, and releasing updates to 5.2b for new resources (to extend Vista/10.8 support) takes development and testing resources. With the upcoming releases of Windows 10 and El Capitan, both Vista and 10.8 will be three major OS versions out-of-date, and we will be retiring our support for them.

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Matthew C Jones

bump

Thank you for the notice.

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752041#Comment_752041

Before some asks, one reason for all of us to be on the same engine, it makes it easier and cheaper for Faithlife to focus all of its energies on one platform rather than multiple engines. This is one of the reasons that Microsoft is giving away Windows 10.

Charles

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752062#Comment_752062

Before some asks, one reason for all of us to be on the same engine, it makes it easier and cheaper for Faithlife to focus all of its energies on one platform rather than multiple engines. This is one of the reasons that Microsoft is giving away Windows 10.

Or, perhaps MS is giving away Windows 10 for free because they're losing sales to Apple who has been giving away OS X since Mavericks? [:P]

In Christ,

Charles

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752085#Comment_752085

Makes complete sense.

Not sure why anyone with an adequate computer would stick with 5 over 6 any way.

David Ames

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752100#Comment_752100

Not sure why anyone with an adequate computer would stick with 5 over 6 any way.

One statement in the Libronix forum just asked [Jun 13 2015] if Libronix 3.0F runs on win 8.1, 64 bit

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752107#Comment_752107

Ahhh yes but libronix is 3, and my statement applied mostly to 5.

6 is much quicker on my machine than 5 ever was... maybe 60 or 70 pct. I forget the results of the time trials I did before (on 5) and after the release on 6.

Plus new features... But for the performance increase alone, the upgrade is worth it.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752112#Comment_752112

But for the performance increase alone, the upgrade is worth it.

And did I mention… it's free?! [:)]

https://www.logos.com/install

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752107#Comment_752107

One statement in the Libronix forum just asked [Jun 13 2015] if Libronix 3.0F runs on win 8.1, 64 bit

Libronix is officially incompatible with Win 8/8.1 as they have a version of Internet Explorer higher than v.9 (with a fix!) - no matter that a few users claim that it does work. But 3.0f is not the version to use as 3.0g was the last one released.

Note that Libronix users on Windows 7 SP1 must first install IE11 to get the free upgrade to Windows 10!

David Paul

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752123#Comment_752123

Can't IE be deleted to solve the incompatibility with L3? I'm expecting to use it until the Second Coming.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752130#Comment_752130

IIRC Libronix 3 depended on IE for its presentation layer. Dave will correct me if I am wrong ... and chuckle at my poor memory.

Dennis Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752113#Comment_752113

The Core Engine is free anything else especially the crossgrade price is outrageous for someone who already has an adequate library and doesn't need the fluff of the packages offered. Since Logos 6 is basically neutered without the datasets which are only available at the Crossgrade level, will I retain use of the datasets I have in logos 5 if I install the core engine or will I lose their function and be forced to spend money I don't want too.

John Kight

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752153#Comment_752153

the crossgrade price is outrageous for someone who already has an adequate library and doesn't need the fluff of the packages offered.

I personally didn't see any need to upgrade to Logos 6 when it initially released. But since I took the plunge, what I once view as fluff has now become some of my most used tools. I haven't looked back, and count that money well spent.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752153#Comment_752153

Since Logos 6 is basically neutered without the datasets which are only available at the Crossgrade level, will I retain use of the datasets I have in logos 5 if I install the core engine or will I lose their function and be forced to spend money I don't want too.

You're never forced to spend money you don't want to. You won't lose any of the datasets you already have access to. You'll lose nothing by getting the L6 core engine, and you'll gain several free improvements.

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752156#Comment_752156

I wish that there was a way to force Maps to be default when the computer is not online. If no internet I am forced to perform a media search.

Deacon Steve

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752184#Comment_752184

I wish that there was a way to force Maps to be default when the computer is not online. If no internet I am forced to perform a media search.

Hi Lynden,

You may want to start a separate thread on this topic. It sounds like it be important to discuss separate from this thread.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752130#Comment_752130

Can't IE be deleted to solve the incompatibility with L3? I'm expecting to use it until the Second Coming.

IE is necessary for Libronix (same as .NET is needed for Logos 4/5/6) - and it can't be deleted! You might be able to roll back to IE8 or IE9 if you are on Windows 7 (but then you won't be able to update to Win 10, which uses IE11).

Darrell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752153#Comment_752153

[Y]

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752396#Comment_752396

Ummm... Darrell is agreeing with Dennis Miller's comment above, not mine!

Colin Ware

I think I understand what is going on here but as I still use Vista it appears I cannot update. It still operates correctly and meets present needs. As far as I know Microsoft are still supporting it. Not sure if it is a good idea to spend money on a new desktop to suit one particular software program. When Microsoft stop supporting Vista I may have to reconsider.

It will however mean I will have to review cancel existing pre-pub orders. No use buying if they wont work. May work for the better in the long term.

Colin

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752466#Comment_752466

its worthwhile to upgrade to 7 - hear me out. this may sound daunting... but its good advice.

So right now you're running on an operating system approaching its end of life. XP is dead, vista will die in the next couple years. I forget the exact date, but its a matter of record. In the mean time iirc vista has left "supported" status, and is now "maintenance", which means you only get some of the updates (basically just the security ones, if you find something thats broken, or if you need an MS driver for something you are hosed (though manufacturers may still make drivers).

Further, and perhaps most importantly, if you upgrade to 7 (and your computer meets the requirements, and you do so within the next year) you will get a free upgrade to 10, which will be supported for some time yet as its brand new today.

your 70$ or 100$ or whatever a license costs these days will bring you three generations of opperating system newer. well worth it in my view; AND you'll be able to upgrade to the latest versions of Logos as well.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752466#Comment_752466

It will however mean I will have to review cancel existing pre-pub orders. No use buying if they wont work.

Most resources produced after September 21 will still work on 5.2b (and Vista). Only those that need the very latest resource features and data types will not be supported. When 4.6c became unsupported, I posted a short update (at https://community.logos.com/forums/p/80475/563257.aspx#563257) about the number of resources it couldn't read:

[Update: The first resources that require Logos 5.2a or later shipped on May 16, 2014. As of June 1st, there are fewer than 200 resources that require 5.2a; the majority of resources still work on Logos 4.6c.]

You may wish to keep your prepub orders (to lock in the low pre-pub price) then return them only if they don't work in 5.2b.

David J. Wilson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752535#Comment_752535

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

Windows lifecycle fact sheet

Last updated: July 2015

End of support

End of support refers to the date when Microsoft no longer provides automatic fixes, updates, or online technical assistance. This is the time to make sure you have the latest available update or service pack installed. Without Microsoft support, you will no longer receive security updates that can help protect your PC from harmful viruses, spyware, and other malicious software that can steal your personal information. For more information go to Microsoft Support Lifecycle.

Client operating systems	Latest update or service pack	End of mainstream support	End of extended support
Client operating systems Windows XP	Latest update or service pack Service Pack 3	End of mainstream support April 14, 2009	End of extended support April 8, 2014
Client operating systems Windows Vista	Latest update or service pack Service Pack 2	End of mainstream support April 10, 2012	End of extended support April 11, 2017
Client operating systems Windows 7 *	Latest update or service pack Service Pack 1	End of mainstream support January 13, 2015	End of extended support January 14, 2020
Client operating systems Windows 8	Latest update or service pack Windows 8.1	End of mainstream support January 9, 2018	End of extended support January 10, 2023

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752476#Comment_752476

Further, and perhaps most importantly, if you upgrade to 7 (and your computer meets the requirements, and you do so within the next year) you will get a free upgrade to 10, which will be supported for some time yet as its brand new today.

An upgrade to Windows 7 SP1 + IE11 should be possible and then you will know about eligibility for Win 10.

My five year old laptop is eligible for Win 10!

David Paul

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752355#Comment_752355

I have IE7 on my current computer, but I almost never use it. I tried IE9 w/ the patch, but it seriously messed up the way notes work in L3. When my system blue screened and I had to reload everything, being able to go back to IE7 made it all worthwhile. I have some links in my IE Favorites that I may take the time to transfer to Chrome. My current computer is limping along and will need to be replaced eventually. I will probably get two new computers...one to run L3 and one to run current stuff. I am very disappointed that I won't be able to run L3 and L6 together on the same computer, because I currently copy stuff from L5 into my L3 notes. Is there a way to get L5 on a new system so I can run it with L3?

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752577#Comment_752577

Is there a way to get L5 on a new system so I can run it with L3?

Yes, and there will be for the foreseeable future: https://www.logos.com/support/logos5/install

You can still install L4, if you want: https://www.logos.com/support/logos4/install

David Paul

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752578#Comment_752578

That's good to know. Thanks.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752577#Comment_752577

I will probably get two new computers...one to run L3 and one to run current stuff.

The question is whether you can get L3 to work on a new computer, unless you mean a refurbished system with Vista (and IE7/8) or Win 7 (and IE8)?

David Paul

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752589#Comment_752589

unless you mean a refurbished system with Vista (and IE7/8)

Yes, I have 32 & 64-bit versions of Vista on disk. I will just install those with the included version of IE7 and use that as my L3 system & load L5 on, too, so I can have access to what's in my library since they stopped producing for L3. Bradley said above that a lot of stuff that is still coming out will work on L5 as long as the resource doesn't have special requirements. At some point, if I have L6 resources I want to include in my L3 notes, I guess I'll have to copy and email them to myself. C'est la vie.

JAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752577#Comment_752577

I am very disappointed that I won't be able to run L3 and L6 together on the same computer

When installed on a virtual machine LDLS (L3/Libronix) works very nicely alongside the most current Faithlife desktop applications. Finding a legitimate legacy Windows OS license can be difficult, but it's worth the effort and expense.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752626#Comment_752626

I am very disappointed that I won't be able to run L3 and L6 together on the same computer

When installed on a virtual machine LDLS (L3/Libronix) works very nicely alongside the most current Faithlife desktop applications. Finding a legitimate legacy Windows OS license can be difficult, but it's worth the effort and expense.

Yes, but you won't be able to copy notes from L3 to L6 if one of them is in a VM.

Dennis Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752156#Comment_752156

I did get the Logos 6 Core and am quite happy that I finally see the Logos we were promised when Logos 4 was announced but logos is no longer my goto bible study tool I just use it for the resources I had invested in all these years when I need them. I lost faith in Logos or Faithlife to deliver on their promises. That's where I'm at but doesn't mean everyone else feels the same, I can only go after dangled carrots for so long before I get wise and realize I'll never get it and move on.

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752666#Comment_752666

Yes, but you won't be able to copy notes from L3 to L6 if one of them is in a VM.

I am not 100% sure how those things work in the window's world but most VM programs on the mac side do allow for copy and paste, he may just need to look for a different VM program.

-Dan

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752671#Comment_752671

Yes, but you won't be able to copy notes from L3 to L6 if one of them is in a VM.

I am not 100% sure how those things work in the window's world but most VM programs on the mac side do allow for copy and paste, he may just need to look for a different VM program.

I think Mark may have been talking about running the "import notes" command in Logos 6, which requires the LDLS3 note files to be on the C:\ drive of the host computer, not in a VM. (Regular copy-and-paste via the clipboard should work fine to/from a VM.)

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752675#Comment_752675

I think Mark may have been talking about running the "import notes" command in Logos 6, which requires the LDLS3 note files to be on the C:\ drive of the host computer, not in a VM. (Regular copy-and-paste via the clipboard should work fine to/from a VM.)

I was. Thanks for the clarification.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752466#Comment_752466

As far as I know Microsoft are still supporting it. Not sure if it is a good idea to spend money on a new desktop to suit one particular software program. When Microsoft stop supporting Vista I may have to reconsider.

According to Microsoft, the "mainstream support" ended on "April 10, 2012." Sales ceased over 5 years ago.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752603#Comment_752603

Yes, I have 32 & 64-bit versions of Vista on disk. I will just install those with the included version of IE7 and use that as my L3 system & load L5 on, too, so I can have access to what's in my library since they stopped producing for L3

If you follow the suggestion to install a Virtual Machine for Vista on a brand new machine (Win 8.1/10) you can install Logos 6 and Import Notes coutesy of a shared folder e.g. create a \Documents\Libronix DLS\Annotations folder (or whatever the notes folder is called in Libronix) on the host OS and share it with a VM (e.g. Oracle VM VirtualBox) running Vista. Create your notes in Libronix, copy them to the shared Notes folder and then import them into Logos 6.

** Oracle VM is free and has options to share host folders with the VM.

JAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752771#Comment_752771

** Oracle VM is free and has options to share host folders with the VM.

[Y]

Dave's suggestion is a good one VirtualBox hasn't ever disappointed!

I am very disappointed that I won't be able to run L3 and L6 together on the same computer, because I currently copy stuff from L5 into my L3 notes.

This is what I was responding to, David uses LDLS for notes and wants to be able to cut from resources only available in Logos6 and paste into his LDLS notes. As Dan has suggested most virtualization platforms include a mechanism to support cutting and pasting between the host OS and the virtualized OS - VirtualBox does.

Batman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752100#Comment_752100

Not sure why anyone with an adequate computer would stick with 5 over 6 any way.

Well, for me, I don't like the look of 6. Yes, it's similar to 5, but, just more annoying and more scrolling. At least for me.

Bryan S.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/752466#Comment_752466

I have Vista with logos 6.whatever latest update. will i still get updates and will new books work?

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756379#Comment_756379

I have Vista with logos 6.whatever latest update

Please clarify this.

Logos 6 needs Windows 7 SP1 as a minimum

Bryan S.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756382#Comment_756382

yes I just checked my system I have win 7 home premium SP1, so I don't need to do anything right? my other laptop has vista....

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756393#Comment_756393

yes I just checked my system I have win 7 home premium SP1, so I don't need to do anything right?

So long as you are running Logos 6 on Windows 7 you should be fine.

Halvard Lund

Hi!

I am using OS X 10.7, which will become unsupported, and I will continue to use 10.7 for a while.

I am using Verbum 5 and Logos 5.

Will the DOCUMENTS which are synced back and forth, be at risk in any way ? Should I uninstall Logos 5 and Verbum 5 on my iMac, and only use it on newer OS ?

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/757257#Comment_757257

Sync will be maintained.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/757275#Comment_757275

Sync will be maintained.

That is incorrect.

We are changing Logos 5.2b from the "maintenance" support level to "unsupported" on September 21, 2015. (For a full description of these support levels, please see "About Free Support".)

At that page, you will read (for "unsupported" software): "Documents and settings created in an unsupported version may not sync to the latest versions of the software."

We won't be turning sync off right away on September 21, but if we need to make a change to sync to improve Logos 6, we won't be fixing Logos 5 (or Logos 4) to support it.

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/757419#Comment_757419

At that page, you will read (for "unsupported" software): "Documents and settings created in an unsupported version may not sync to the latest versions of the software."

We won't be turning sync off right away on September 21, but if we need to make a change to sync to improve Logos 6, we won't be fixing Logos 5 (or Logos 4) to support it.

Makes perfect sense.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/757419#Comment_757419

Sync will be maintained.

That is incorrect.

My thought was that Servers will be maintained for sync to Logos 5 with existing Sync version, not that Logos 5 will be updated with a new sync version.

We won't be turning sync off right away on September 21, but if we need to make a change to sync to improve Logos 6, we won't be fixing Logos 5 (or Logos 4) to support it.

The latter part is what I understand, but the first part implies you will be "turning off" Sync at some time even if it remains fully compatible with Logos 5!?

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/757689#Comment_757689

My thought was that Servers will be maintained for sync to Logos 5 with existing Sync version, not that Logos 5 will be updated with a new sync version.

For now, but not indefinitely.

The latter part is what I understand, but the first part implies you will be "turning off" Sync at some time even if it remains fully compatible with Logos 5!?

I was merely stating that the end of the support period doesn't mean that we turn off all sync servers immediately.

If some future event (that I can't predict) means that the sync servers stop working, our efforts will go into restoring service for "supported" and "maintenance" versions of the software, not for "unsupported" versions.

Rick LeMarr

I am so disappointed! I am so close (August 31 and September 21) to telling Logos goodbye and deleting $900 of pre-pubs. "so we (Logos) can focus on bringing a better product to market".

Logos 5 is all I can afford and it will have to be enough. I will not lose what I have by doing free (deceitful advertising) or crossgrade where anything less than 100% of my $10,000 over 15 year Platinum investment is not fully available with the 6 feature set now.

Anything new will have to come from another company.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/758092#Comment_758092

Hi Rick

Logos 5 is all I can afford and it will have to be enough. I will not lose what I have by doing free (deceitful advertising) or crossgrade where anything less than 100% of my $10,000 over 15 year Platinum investment is not fully available with the 6 feature set now.

What are you concerned that you will lose if you move to the free Logos 6 engine?

Graham