Coming in September: Zondervan / Thomas Nelson Dynamic Pricing and Sale Event

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/755954#Comment_755954

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https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/755960#Comment_755960

For the month of September only, all Zondervan / Thomas Nelson Collections will be dynamically priced AND on sale.

This is unprecedented!

I look forward to more details.

abondservant

un-fortunately I just bought this set last week. I sent in an email asking for the price to be matched. I presume that they will honor it. They have been kind to me in the past.

Rick Ausdahl

For the month of September only, all Zondervan / Thomas Nelson Collections will be dynamically priced AND on sale.

In addition to dynamic pricing, Word Biblical Commentary (WBC) will be discounted even further during this period to:

Individual volumes: $9.99 each

Chris,

If a person buys an entire commentary set but purchases the volumes individually, can all the volumes later be sold/transferred as a set in a single transaction or do the volumes have to be sold/transferred individually?

Rokas

In addition to dynamic pricing, Word Biblical Commentary (WBC) will be discounted even further during this period to:
WBC (62 volumes set): $664.95*
Individual volumes: $9.99 each

*we will be offering a 10% credit (of your dynamic price) for a future purchase for everyone who buys the WBC Set in September. This offer will be for phone only.

Does 10% credit mean:

1. 10% of what I pay for WBC

2. 10% of my next purchase?

If 2., could I combine it with academic discount?

Also, till when this credit would be valid? Or, in other words, when at the latest should I do my next purchase to make use of this credit?

Tom Reynolds

In addition to dynamic pricing, Word Biblical Commentary (WBC) will be discounted even further during this period to:
WBC (62 volumes set): $664.95*
Individual volumes: $9.99 each

*we will be offering a 10% credit (of your dynamic price) for a future purchase for everyone who buys the WBC Set in September. This offer will be for phone only.

Am I the only one who thinks this is ludicrous (if I am reading it right). 62 * 9.99 = $619.38 so it costs $45.57 more to buy it as a complete set; so really you are only gaining an advantage of $20.93 and you have to use that as a credit towards another purchase... and BTW $1200 for WBC is definitely ludicrous but hey Zondervan is still in business and Word isn't so there you go, I guess.

Am I missing something here?

MJ. Smith

For the month of September only, all Zondervan / Thomas Nelson Collections will be dynamically priced AND on sale.

In addition to dynamic pricing, Word Biblical Commentary (WBC) will be discounted even further during this period to:
WBC (62 volumes set): $664.95*
Individual volumes: $9.99 each

*we will be offering a 10% credit (of your dynamic price) for a future purchase for everyone who buys the WBC Set in September. This offer will be for phone only.
*On October 1, the price for the WBC Set will go up to $1,199.99.

Okay, as I do the math ...

62 volumes at $9.99 each are $619.38 if purchased individually

OR $664.95 with an additional $66.50 worth of resources for which I paid an extra 45.57 for a net "bonus" of $20.93

hmmm, at least there is some benefit of buying as a set ... a whole $20.93 worth of additional resources

Are you assuming I can't (or won't) do the math ... or that I'll not make some poor sales person process 62 separate items. The math I want to know ... sales person's pay rate per minute times the number of minutes required to enter the addition 61 transactions.

JAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/755981#Comment_755981

In addition to dynamic pricing, Word Biblical Commentary (WBC) will be discounted even furtherduring this period to:
WBC (62 volumes set): $664.95*
Individual volumes: $9.99 each

*we will be offering a 10% credit (of your dynamic price) for a future purchase for everyone who buys the WBC Set in September. This offer will be for phone only.

Tom & MJ - I scratched my head when I read the original post.

With dynamic pricing applied the WBC set will likely cost less than the sum cost of the new-to-you volumes, even at $9.99 each. In addition there is the 10% credit when purchasing the set. That takes care of previous WBC buyers.

I surmise this 10% credit, that sort of offsets the additional cost of the collection for buyers without prior WBC, is a kludge for this promotion to account for some aspect of the dynamic pricing algorithm.

OR maybe you are correct and this is an obvious error.

I'm mildly pained because after much self-deliberation I recently purchased four WBC volumes including the three volume update on pre-publication 45 days ago. I gave up hope for dynamic pricing from Zondervan and thus over spent by at least $75 - let that be a lesson to me.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/755988#Comment_755988

I just got it last week for 599 WBC I guess I won't be getting any credit to use on later purchase.

DAL

Rokas

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756020#Comment_756020

I just got it last week for 599 WBC I guess I won't be getting any credit to use on later purchase.

Ask them - and if they don't agree with that, just refund it and purchase again later

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756024#Comment_756024

I also noticed that the 62 Vol. WBC set includes the 2 Corinthians, 2nd Edition (Martin, 2014) but this is not showing up in the 'New to You' section at the bottom of the product page. I purchased WBC several years ago and currently own 2 Corinthians (Martin, 1998).

Could that be part of the price discrepancy mentioned above? Also, it will be nice to see how the 'Dynamic Pricing' works with this present issue. For example, I presently own all but four of the WBC volumes (2 Corinthians [2nd ed], Job 38-42, Joshua 1-12 [2nd ed], and Joshua 13-24 [2nd ed]) but the 'New to You' indicators only identify three.

I guess time will tell.

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756025#Comment_756025

I am glad that I will have the opportunity to purchase new volumes I don't own yet for $9.99.

The price differential for the set is a little trick to generate more sales as people use their 10% credit. I reckon that if one wanted to buy the whole set as individual volumes, all they need to do is two transactions: ask for all the OT volumes first, and then all the NT volumes. Or they can click way online.

I am grateful for the opportunity to have access to the discounts in September, but I can't help but notice the less welcome news: the considerable hike the WBC set will take from October on. For a long time, the cost of the WBC set has been a reference in the advantage of buying electronic vs print. With this doubling of the price, I have concerns that the trend will continue to be upward for resources. Of course, there may be sales down the road again, but as several posted about in this thread, you just never know with sales and your need might not coincide with them.

I feel for those who have paid the high price especially for the recent upgrade. Hindsight vision is always 20-20 isn't it? At the same time, the ebb and flow of sales is such that this is bound to happen and it's part of how it goes (as is the case for any product anyway). Being glad for the benefit it is to others sure is an ongoing spiritual discipline to keep on learning (Php 2:4).

Bruce Dunning

For the month of September only, all Zondervan / Thomas Nelson Collections will be dynamically priced AND on sale.

Dynamic pricing is great and much appreciated although I do wish that it was all the time.

Matthew

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756025#Comment_756025

[Deleted - overlooked something and posted incorrect information]

Into Grace

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756039#Comment_756039

Why is the dynamic price only good in September? So no long term agreement has been reached with Zondervan?

The price jump to $1200 is incomprehesible to me. Why not jump to $5,000 or $10,000? The sky is the limit for Logos overcharging Christians.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756040#Comment_756040

The sky is the limit for Logos overcharging Christians.

This is clearly NOT Logos setting the price, but rather Zondervan. Just figured you may want to know before making sweeping claims like the above. [:#]

Ronald Quick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756042#Comment_756042

There are a few of the WBC commentaries that I don't have, so I'll probably get them during the sale. $9.99 each is a good price. I'll take a look at the collections, but unless the dynamic pricing lowers the cost considerably, I doubt I'll purchase any.

Kevin A Lewis

For the month of September only, all Zondervan / Thomas Nelson Collections will be dynamically priced AND on sale.

In addition to dynamic pricing, Word Biblical Commentary (WBC) will be discounted even further during this period to:
WBC (62 volumes set): $664.95*
Individual volumes: $9.99 each

*we will be offering a 10% credit (of your dynamic price) for a future purchase for everyone who buys the WBC Set in September. This offer will be for phone only.

"The Lord giveth and he taketh away"!

The WBC looks like an obvious "taker" for me - the collection now includes the new editions which my set was in need of and the $9.99 volume price in the set - will get me in.

Now sure what the 10% credit - phone only offer means - do we have to buy the WBC over the phone and get the 10% stored away somewhere - or do we have to phone to "make use of the credit" later when ordering something else. For us in the UK ordering by phone is such a "big deal" (i.e. cost)

The other bundles are just way above my budget - how many do the TN/Zonder "whatsists" think live in the stratospheric altitude of such affluence. And no I don't read Spanish which is the only one that come anywhere close.

But thanks for what is there in the WBC.

Shalom

Everett Headley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756042#Comment_756042

I don't value WBC or many Zondervan titles enough to warrant paying their prices. Perhaps if there were smaller bundles, ~$1-200, I would purchase one. But many thousands of dollars, even with dynamic and sale prices, I am not interested in this.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756052#Comment_756052

This is very good, and appreciated. [:)]

If Zondervan has agreed to the dynamic pricing model for 1 month, it really would be nice if they agree to keep it that way (as it should be). Thoughts: Unlike physical/paper copies of the resources, one does not own more than 1 copy if purchased more than once. No loss for Zondervan (or Logos), and not gain for purchasers. It's neutral.

Mark Barnes

If Zondervan has agreed to the dynamic pricing model for 1 month, it really would be nice if they agree to keep it that way (as it should be).

I'm hoping that during this sale Zondervan will see how much money they could make by offering dynamic pricing on all titles, and then switch to that model permanently.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/755970#Comment_755970

un-fortunately I just bought this set last week. I sent in an email asking for the price to be matched. I presume that they will honor it. They have been kind to me in the past.

It's not unfortunate at all (the way I see it). It's less than 30 day before the sale activates, and it will also be less than 30 days since you purchased without the sale. Either way, it will work out with you owning the set at the sale price. [:)]

TCBlack

Looks like a very good chance for my to finish upgrading my WBC kit. I'm looking forward to Sept!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756054#Comment_756054

If Zondervan has agreed to the dynamic pricing model for 1 month, it really would be nice if they agree to keep it that way (as it should be).

I'm hoping that during this sale Zondervan will see how much money they could make by offering dynamic pricing on all titles, and then switch to that model permanently.

Yes, and I suspect that their sales through Logos will increase so much that they would question themselves on why they didn't do this in the 1st place. I imagine that a lot of us (if able) will use this to complete sets/bundles we would otherwise not consider because of no dynamic pricing for what we already own. Others may wait on purchasing sets that are not complete until they see if this dynamic pricing model will remain.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756058#Comment_756058

Looks like a very good chance for my to finish upgrading my WBC kit. I'm looking forward to Sept!

I'm thinking the same thing, TC. [:)]

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756057#Comment_756057

I know its early yet, but I still haven't heard back from the guy that sold it to me (not Rusty, whom I should have used)

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756061#Comment_756061

I emailed my sales rep to enquire about the 10% credit without returning anything. We'll see what he says

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756040#Comment_756040

Why is the dynamic price only good in September? So no long term agreement has been reached with Zondervan?

The price jump to $1200 is incomprehesible to me. Why not jump to $5,000 or $10,000? The sky is the limit for Logos overcharging Christians.

Oooh Noooo. Don't open that can of worms. [:)]

Now, on to the $1200. If you are referring to WBC, as far as I have seen, the standard cost has been around $1200, but it often (1 or 2 times a year) goes on sale for $599 to $699.

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756066#Comment_756066

I will be curious to see how dynamic pricing on Thomas Nelson collections play out. I have bought a collection over the years (incl. WBC).

It is good to open a can of worms, when you're fishing for information (or trouble). Perhaps someone will bite? But we may have to wade through a bunch of beside-the-point answers.

David Carter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756066#Comment_756066

Now, on to the $1200. If you are referring to WBC, as far as I have seen, the standard cost has been around $1200, but it often (1 or 2 times a year) goes on sale for $599 to $699.

People used to rejoice when it was available for $399 [;)]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756085#Comment_756085

Now, on to the $1200. If you are referring to WBC, as far as I have seen, the standard cost has been around $1200, but it often (1 or 2 times a year) goes on sale for $599 to $699.

People used to rejoice when it was available for $399

I still rejoice that I got it for $300.

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/755973#Comment_755973

For the month of September only, all Zondervan / Thomas Nelson Collections will be dynamically priced AND on sale.

In addition to dynamic pricing, Word Biblical Commentary (WBC) will be discounted even further during this period to:

Individual volumes: $9.99 each

Chris,

If a person buys an entire commentary set but purchases the volumes individually, can all the volumes later be sold/transferred as a set in a single transaction or do the volumes have to be sold/transferred individually?

If you purchase a set it must be sold as set individual volumes can easily be included because you pay only pay for one transfer fee per transaction.

-Dan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756095#Comment_756095

The bundles have posted and dynamic pricing is applicable.

https://www.logos.com/products/search?Status=Pre-Pub

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756099#Comment_756099

The bundles have posted and dynamic pricing is applicable.

And, of course, there is no "New to Me" mechanism. [:(]

Cynthia Tucker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756103#Comment_756103

I like Zondervan and Nelson products......but those prices -- Yikes!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756103#Comment_756103

And, of course, there is no "New to Me" mechanism.

Yeah, I noticed that as well. [li]

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756095#Comment_756095

This sale in many respects feels like a fraud. The prices for a number of new Treasury sets seems very high to numerous people, and Preacher's Commentary Series has previously been sold in the past for around the $80 mark (a price still offered in the publishers Bible software), earlier in the month Faithlife was still selling PCS for $125, now the price has been raised to over $440. Now I am not saying this is in any way something Faithlife is doing because the publishers have likely demanded that FL raise the prices. But I just love it over the past couple years many of the more affordable Zondervan and Nelson products have seen their prices jacked up to the point where you would have to want them very bad to pay the prices. I do think there is extra value in the FL editions having them integrated into the Logos Library (it is pushing a bit to say there is $45 extra value, but I can see it being argued and not unreasonable, what is wholly unreasonable is saying there is $367 of extra value there). Staying with the PCS, it was offered for $39.95 earlier in the month to celebrate 7 years of their Application being in the Apple App Store (I did not even think of getting it since I own it in Logos and it while a set I only refer to occasionally, is not a set that for me is solid enough to crack into my most often used). I seriously doubt they are going to allow FL to have this series that has just been raised up to $446.99 offered for $40, and I would seriously doubt if it will even be on sale for the $125 that it sold for at the beginning of August. I am not in anyway trying to blame FL, but the actions of HarperCollins companies seem very unfair. I know I already expressed my indignation in it's own thread, but it bears repeating because to FL this is utterly unfair.

-Dan

Ronald Quick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756086#Comment_756086

Now, on to the $1200. If you are referring to WBC, as far as I have seen, the standard cost has been around $1200, but it often (1 or 2 times a year) goes on sale for $599 to $699.

People used to rejoice when it was available for $399

I still rejoice that I got it for $300.

Wow! - $300 - that's great. I got it for $399 several years ago.

Ronald Quick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756107#Comment_756107

I hope this gets changed soon.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756069#Comment_756069

I will be curious to see how dynamic pricing on Thomas Nelson collections play out. I have bought a collection over the years (incl. WBC).

It is good to open a can of worms, when you're fishing for information (or trouble). Perhaps someone will bite? But we may have to wade through a bunch of beside-the-point answers.

I heard that Zondervan now owns Thomas Nelson, and thinking that if it is offered for Zondervan labeled resources, it would also be offered for Thomas Nelson.

I think we may have the same collection that included WBC and a lot of other resources for about $699.

I mentioned the can of worms as I was remembering some of the past discussions concerning dynamic pricing on Zondervan and Thomas Nelson, and no one could figure out a meaningful reason for this other than greed. [:)]

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756127#Comment_756127

There's a pricing bug with this. If you view the product when you're not signed in, it says you're getting a 5% discount for what you already own.

Ted Hans

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756163#Comment_756163

There's a pricing bug with this. If you view the product when you're not signed in, it says you're getting a 5% discount for what you already own.

I thought as much.

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756107#Comment_756107

And, of course, there is no "New to Me" mechanism.

Yeah, I noticed that as well.

Same. Hopefully that will be fixed very soon. These 'bundles' in particular need that feature.

Brandon Rappuhn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756163#Comment_756163

There's a pricing bug with this. If you view the product when you're not signed in, it says you're getting a 5% discount for what you already own.

This is a known bug. That 5% is supposed to be the extra discount you get on top of dynamic pricing (well, you get it whether you have dynamic pricing or not, it's part of the sale). We're working on getting it fixed so that it shows you the sale discount independently of the dynamic price discounts.

Gary Butner, Th.D.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/756058#Comment_756058

September will be my book of the day event.