Always Logos Now???
I am not in huge hurry to see this but is the Web App always going to be reserved for Logos Now or might it become a part of Logos 7???
-Dan
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I do not think I have seen a comment from Faithlife one way or the other, and I have a sneaking suspicion that has been intentional so far. Wild baseless speculation, but they may be waiting to see how "ready" it is when 7 launches.
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This does seem like something that should be offered and included without a Logos Now subscription, as it does not offer anything really extra. You are only able to access the resources that you currently own through Logos.
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From what I am hearing about it, this is the closest thing to offering the Logos program on the web which means Chromebook users who have longed to use Logos on their machines could finally do it. The only time I can see myself wanting to take advantage of it might be if my computer was not around and I wanted to use Logos on another computer. I have tired using Biblia.com before but it is far to basic. I do know it has been stated that new features will come to Logos now first, I have no problem with it but as Erwin said this really should not need a subscription to use.
-Dan
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Dan Francis said:
The only time I can see myself wanting to take advantage of it might be if my computer was not around and I wanted to use Logos on another computer.
That is the only time I would use it as well, but that would be more than reason enough! [:)]
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Dan Francis said:
I am not in huge hurry to see this but is the Web App always going to be reserved for Logos Now or might it become a part of Logos 7???
I'm not expecting to see it in Logos 7. That's because it's a service which costs time and money to maintain. Personally, I think these online services will only ever be part of Logos Now (although you may get a limited period access with L7).
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Mark Barnes said:
That's because it's a service which costs time and money to maintain.
That may be fair enough, but we have been told it is the same basic code that is already free in faithlifebible and biblia Also it seems the services to maintain it would be mostly the same ones as the free mobile requires.
-Dan
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Maybe just get rid of one and enhance the other, but allow it to be used by all without a subscription. Biblia is already free for all with or without a Logos base package or subscription. You only see and can use your resources when logged in. If it is a matter of cost to maintain, they can get rid of the web app and enhance biblia to provide a similar functionality. Biblia has already been established long enough to create a big problem if it were to be decommissioned.
The Cloud and Now provide enough features (outside of a base package) to warrant them being a subscription, but the web app does not add any new features. It will only allow you to use what you have already purchased, be it by subscription or by out right purchase. I don't know, it's just kind of hard seeing the rational of keeping it subscription only.
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Dan Francis said:Mark Barnes said:
That's because it's a service which costs time and money to maintain.
That may be fair enough, but we have been told it is the same basic code that is already free in faithlifebible and biblia Also it seems the services to maintain it would be mostly the same ones as the free mobile requires.
-Dan
That was true at launch, but not any more. There's active, expensive development going on, funded by Logos Now. For example, we have access to the atlas and basic passage guide functionality.
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The basic principle is likely to be:
- Standalone features: Get early with Logos Now, get for free with L7 core engine.
- Interactives and datasets: Get early with LN, get with paid upgrade to L7.
- Ongoing services: Only available with LN.
That hasn't been promised, but Bob and Phil have both indicated that it's likely.
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Sounds reasonable... I just don't see it likely that Linux users and Chrome book users are going to be too happy with the need to subscribe. I say that since I picked this snippet up on another thread....
Phil Gons (Faithlife):Chromebook (and Linux) users are one of our main target audiences for the Logos web app.-Dan
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Mark Barnes said:
For example, we have access to the atlas and basic passage guide functionality.
I know I am going kind of backwards here replying to your last post first and I am also fully aware you are not a FL employee, I am happy to hear you get atlas access but basic guide functionally via the Logos servers is in our mobile apps too. Which are free. In the end if ChromeBook users and Linux users are forced to subscribe I suppose it is not the end of the world. And like I said for me this is almost all academic since I do not see myself using this service.
-Dan
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Dan Francis said:
I know I am going kind of backwards here replying to your last post first and I am also fully aware you are not a FL employee, I am happy to hear you get atlas access but basic guide functionally via the Logos servers is in our mobile apps too. Which are free. In the end if ChromeBook users and Linux users are forced to subscribe I suppose it is not the end of the world.
I agree with you about mobile apps, and I suspect mobile users will reap some of the benefits of app.logos.com over time. But the economics of mobile apps is still very different from the economics of desktop apps, which I suspect is the reason why the functionality is there. It will be interesting to see with what happens on ChromeBooks.
FWIW, the main benefits of app.logos.com over biblia or bible.faithlife.com are:
- You can open multiple resources in a sort of tabbed interface.
- You have access to the atlas.
- There's a passage guide with seven sections.
- There's the beginnings of an exegetical guide (only the word-by-word section at the moment).
AFAIK, the only disadvantage is that reading plans are absent.
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Dan Francis said:
I am not in huge hurry to see this but is the Web App always going to be reserved for Logos Now or might it become a part of Logos 7???
-Dan
In the past we've restricted access to new apps that require significant development costs (i.e., Libronix for Mac, the iOS app). But eventually we made them free. (We do this on a smaller scale with each new version of the desktop software.) It's possible we'll eventually take the same approach here. No guarantees though.
It won't become a part of Logos 7, but it is possible that we could open up temporary access to Logos 7 owners. Thanks for the suggestion. We'll consider it.
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Thanks for the info Phil, I am content with my Verbum 6 desktop app and relatively happy with the iOS app (I would still like more offline functionality but I realize that may never come).
-Dan
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