Notes/ Hilighlighting behaviour

I just noticed this behaviour- wanting confirmation that it is not normal or normal. Listed in Beta since I'm running it at present.

Whenever I unselect 'notes' all my highlighting disappears in my selected bible, below is before and after screen prints:

before:

After:

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Whyndell Grizzard

Well I just found out all the highlighting pallets are listed under "notes"- when you unclick notes- you turn off highligthing as well.

This I must say is a great inconvience, and I am dumb founded WHY- by any stretch of the imagination FL would do this.

This needs to be changed ASAP- highlitghting needs a separate selection box not "hidden" within notes.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/763133#Comment_763133

I am dumb founded WHY- by any stretch of the imagination FL would do this.

Highlights, since L4.5, have been "notes" and highlights are stored in "note documents."A "plain" highlight is a note without a note indicator.

highlitghting needs a separate selection box not "hidden" within notes.

That would be useful, but perhaps unlikely to be implemented. Users CAN add "highlights" to other "notes" documents, so there isn't any way to distinguish between a "notes" document and a "highlighting" document.

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/763144#Comment_763144

I guess I'm missing something all my hilite's are made directly from my pallet's - why would I want then tied to a note tab- which I have never done- at least not knowingly.

Doc B

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/763144#Comment_763144

so there isn't any way to distinguish between a "notes" document and a "highlighting" document.

This is user behavior because it is CONSTRAINED to that.

I absolutely agree with Whyndell...turning off one while allowing the other should be easy to do. For one, Logos markets itself as an e-reader (Vyrso books, reading plans, etc.), and there are likely thousands of users reading thousands of books that would like to distinguish highlights from notes. For another, effective use of things like visual filters in bibles will be constrained by other "clutter" on the screen if those two items can't be distinguished by the user (as on-off).

I've spoken many times of the poor implementation of notes/highlights many times before, and won't go into that again. This is simply one more example of how a poor implementation of a good idea keeps biting you on the behind if you don't fix it.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/763148#Comment_763148

I guess I'm missing something all my hilite's are made directly from my pallet's - why would I want then tied to a note tab- which I have never done- at least not knowingly.

Every palette has a note document filled with your highlight "notes."

I've spoken many times of the poor implementation of notes/highlights many times before

So have I. [:s] There are good things and bad things about it. Perhaps the best thing that could be said is that the feature has potential. I think that most users are probably like Whyndell and want to be able to "highlight and forget it" (This describes most of my usage as well). This is one of the reasons I kept fighting for "resource specific" note documents which are hidden by default (so not to clutter up the documents menu). The good news is that "resource specific" note documents have come. The bad news, is that they are still visible.

I agree that being able to turn off highlights independently of other note documents would be good. Hopefully FL can make it happen. [Y]

In defense of how highlights are set up now... It is <potentially> powerful to be able to create a highlight and then to interact with that highlight. For example: If I were still in school and had to write book reviews, I would want to be able to create highlights and make comments. Perhaps I would use one color for things I agree with and another for ones I disagree with...

In the screen shot below, I have attempted to show what this might look like (the comments are fake). It would not be as effective as it could be for a couple of reasons. "Quote" view is ok, but there should be a spot for the full quote in the "note" (perhaps with the ability to easily collapse that section for all notes and/or individual notes). You should also be able to create highlighting styles with note indicators attached. The ability to use highlights as notes isn't very useful if you can't get to the "note" part of the highlight.

Doc B

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/763164#Comment_763164

So have I. There are good things and bad things about it. Perhaps the best thing that could be said is that the feature has potential. I think that most users are probably like Whyndell and want to be able to "highlight and forget it" (This describes most of my usage as well). This is one of the reasons I kept fighting for "resource specific" note documents which are hidden by default (so not to clutter up the documents menu). The good news is that "resource specific" note documents have come. The bad news, is that they are still visible.

I agree that being able to turn off highlights independently of other note documents would be good. Hopefully FL can make it happen.

In defense of how highlights are set up now... It is <potentially> powerful to be able to create a highlight and then to interact with that highlight. For example: If I were still in school and had to write book reviews, I would want to be able to create highlights and make comments. Perhaps I would use one color for things I agree with and another for ones I disagree with...

In the screen shot below, I have attempted to show what this might look like (the comments are fake). It would not be as effective as it could be for a couple of reasons. "Quote" view is ok, but there should be a spot for the full quote in the "note" (perhaps with the ability to easily collapse that section for all notes and/or individual notes). You should also be able to create highlighting styles with note indicators attached. The ability to use highlights as notes isn't very useful if you can't get to the "note" part of the highlight.

I agree with most of that (if not all of it).

What I would like to see, in terms of potential, is someone to get outside the box and find a way to combine notes, highlights, and clippings into one powerful tool. I'm not sure what that would look like, but if I was, I'd get a patent before I revealed it. Those three tools are combobulated now; to figure out how to take the seams out and make them user-customizable would be a powerful annotation tool indeed.

Mike Binks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/763133#Comment_763133

This I must say is a great inconvience, and I am dumb founded WHY- by any stretch of the imagination FL would do this.

Now I remember why I have almost completely eschewed the use of notes and highlights. The whole interface confuses me and the operation seems arcane.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/763218#Comment_763218

Now I remember why I have almost completely eschewed the use of notes and highlights. The whole interface confuses me and the operation seems arcane.

Ummm.. reflects words I used for "Ask the Author"[:)]

But the Notes interface is confusing, then throw in Highlighting and ....