We've created four new journal bundles that feature all of the content found in the original Master Journal Bundle (MJB1) and its sub-bundles. We’ve added more than 275 new volumes and 9 new journal libraries including Westminster Theological Journal, Tyndale Bulletin, Southern Baptist Journal of Theology, and the American Journal of Theology.
https://www.logos.com/product/54391/master-journal-bundle-21
https://www.logos.com/product/54393/theology-journal-bundle-21
https://www.logos.com/product/54394/tjl-upgrade-bundle-21
https://www.logos.com/product/54392/academic-journal-bundle-21
Love it! [Y]
I think it was a good idea to begin a new thread with this announcement.
Can I get some help with the math?
Don't understand why the price isn't $120.60 based on the information shown....
Let me summarize the issues: Dynamic pricing is working correctly. The larger collections may be less expensive than the smaller collections. That's due to the deeper discount off the combined resource prices. The dynamic pricing discount is coming off the Pre-Pub price, not off the full regular price (contra the tooltip). The only error here is in the presentation of the breakdown of the discounts in the tooltip. When we built it, we never planned to have dynamic pricing on Pre-Pubs. The prices you're seeing are all correct, are all factoring in your full ownership, and are all coming off the discounted Pre-Pub price. You can safely pre-order. We'll confirm tomorrow, but everything except the tooltip should be working properly. CONFIRMED. The only problem is that the tooltip is displaying unhelpful and misleading information about how we're arriving at the CORRECT NUMBER. We're working on a fix right now. The price you're being shown is correct. It is being combined with the Pre-Pub discount.
Let me summarize the issues: Dynamic pricing is working correctly. The larger collections may be less expensive than the smaller collections. That's due to the deeper discount off the combined resource prices. The dynamic pricing discount is coming off the Pre-Pub price, not off the full regular price (contra the tooltip). The only error here is in the presentation of the breakdown of the discounts in the tooltip. When we built it, we never planned to have dynamic pricing on Pre-Pubs. The prices you're seeing are all correct, are all factoring in your full ownership, and are all coming off the discounted Pre-Pub price. You can safely pre-order. We'll confirm tomorrow, but everything except the tooltip should be working properly.
Let me summarize the issues:
We'll confirm tomorrow, but everything except the tooltip should be working properly.
CONFIRMED. The only problem is that the tooltip is displaying unhelpful and misleading information about how we're arriving at the CORRECT NUMBER. We're working on a fix right now. The price you're being shown is correct. It is being combined with the Pre-Pub discount.
Dustin,A separate thread covered this issue at length. I've quoted the resolution above.If you would like to review the entire thread:https://community.logos.com/forums/t/115469.aspx?PageIndex=1
Can I get some help with the math? Don't understand why the price isn't $120.60 based on the information shown....
Please refer to this post of mine for a short explanation. Basically, the discount you're seeing is correct, but the way the "tool tip" breaks it down is not. We're working to fix that for products/scenarios like this in the future. Sorry for the confusion!
I am really excited with regards to the development of the journal offerings. These additions are very welcome. Thank you, Matthew, for highlighting this.
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Looking forward to this being published.
Hopefully you will do a pay now receive when ready option instead of having to wait.
Definitely in. Hoping Tabletalk, and Evangelical MIssions Quarterly are in version 3
And lets not forget the recently pulled vol 46 (of ashland was it?). WIll that ever make it into a bundle? or has something unfavorable happened between you and ashland?
This bundle is a fantastic bargain—Far, far better than any of the sub-bundles. Thank you, FL [Y] [<:o)]
This is a great second chance for those that missed out on the first MJB Pre-Pub.
Thank you for the update! Glad to hear it wasn't a breakdown of communications Sorry to hear they are finished making journals.
I do not have the first MJB. I am guessing some of the volumes in this new pre-order includes Journals already produced/delivered?
In that case, do I get all the older journals at the time 2.1 is released or is there some other timeframe?
I do not have the first MJB. I am guessing some of the volumes in this new pre-order includes Journals already produced/delivered? In that case, do I get all the older journals at the time 2.1 is released or is there some other timeframe?
MJB 2.1 contains everything in the first MJB.
I do not have the first MJB. I am guessing some of the volumes in this new pre-order includes Journals already produced/delivered? In that case, do I get all the older journals at the time 2.1 is released or is there some other timeframe? MJB 2.1 contains everything in the first MJB.
Gabe, I think Geo is asking if he will receive the journals that have already been released in the original MJB prior to the release of MJB 2.1 because they are already available.
Gabe, I think Geo is asking if he will receive the journals that have already been released in the original MJB prior to the release of MJB 2.1 because they are already available
Answered here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/115469/764134.aspx#764134
I am assuming that even though this is in "gathering interest" it will be published anyway by Logos. Too much has been invested in it and the interest is too great, so my question is:
For 2015 journals, when does Logos actually expect to have a completed turnaround on these journals? If a journal is published in October of 2015, when can we expect to have it? I really want to know if the publication schedules will be at least as good as, if not better than Galaxie and the TJL?
I am assuming that even though this is in "gathering interest" it will be published anyway by Logos. Too much has been invested in it and the interest is too great, so my question is: For 2015 journals, when does Logos actually expect to have a completed turnaround on these journals? If a journal is published in October of 2015, when can we expect to have it? I really want to know if the publication schedules will be at least as good as, if not better than Galaxie and the TJL?
Our plan is to ship the journal bundles each quarter and post new journal bundles when the previous bundle ships.
Great! TYVM. This is better than the response I expected and the best part of the whole reworking of journals saga yet!
Everett, Our plan is to ship the journal bundles each quarter and post new journal bundles when the previous bundle ships.
Everett,
An overflowing/embarrassing riches of goodies! Excellent, looking forward to having more Journals in Logos.
Our plan is to ship the journal bundles each quarter and post new journal bundles when the previous bundle ships. An overflowing/embarrassing riches of goodies! Excellent, looking forward to having more Journals in Logos.
Journals are my favorite resources to read and study from.
Keep up the good work.
As an owner of the first master bundle my price is $143.32 USD. Is that roughly what we should be expecting to pay each quarter? I'm not up for paying $600 per year to keep my journals up to date... I'd be up for paying $100 per year. I'd like an option to subscribe and save. Retaining ownership, not rental.
I am sure someone could provide you with a more authoritative answer from Faithlife. However, what I do know is that some of us who adopted the earlier Theological Journal Library (TJL) from Galaxy are getting a better deal than what you are currently seeing at $143.32. This is because a number of new journals are being added to the Master Journal Bundle (MJB) were previously included in the TJL. In other word, with MJB 2.1 you will be getting previously offered journals in the old TJL.
When Faithlife releases future updates to the MJB you wont be re-purchasing those resources, so I would assume the cost would be lower than $143.32 each quarter. However, it is possible that Faithlife will add additional journals in the future (JETS would be welcomed by many users). So, it would be difficult to state a consistent price moving forward until all the old journals have been carried over into the MJB, and/or no further journals are being added.
As an owner of the first master bundle my price is $143.32 USD.
That was my price as well
Is that roughly what we should be expecting to pay each quarter
I would seriously doubt that this would be the case as 2.1 includes new journals as well as updated issues but not knowing makes it difficult to budget for each quarter. It would be nice to have a general idea of what this will be.
As an owner of the first master bundle my price is $143.32 USD. That was my price as well Is that roughly what we should be expecting to pay each quarter I would seriously doubt that this would be the case as 2.1 includes new journals as well as updated issues but not knowing makes it difficult to budget for each quarter. It would be nice to have a general idea of what this will be.
I think it will always be variable as cost will depend on what new sets of journals are added to the bundle list.
While I love the trend of having updates include more journals, the problem may become that they are so well stocked with journals that the updates eventually are no longer affordable.
My price is $143.48 -- go figure.. Wonder what the extra 16 cents is for?
ok I figured it out -- I didnt have Themelios 40.2 (which is free with the coupon code using the google). That lowered the price 16 cents.. Down to 143.32.
John, we're not able to predict what the amount of added content and value will be each quarter (and corresponding price). We added a few new journals to this update that likely made it bigger than some future updates. But it's hard to know for sure. We're working to add as many new journals as quickly as we can, while updating the existing journals with the last volumes/issues. I'd love to see us get to the place in the next five years where we have a journal library of 10,000+ volumes. It's very possible that we'll be growing and expanding at a rate faster than your wallet can handle.
Keep in mind that we're providing you with a tremendous value on these journals. The first MJB was almost 95% off the combined prices. This version is close to that. For context, base packages are around 90% off the combined resource prices. So the discount is almost twice as good (moving from 95% discount to 90% discount results in doubling the price). You're paying about $.40 per journal volume or about $.10–15 per issue. That's insanely inexpensive. But I do understand that it may still be out of reach.
If we are releasing new updates faster than you can keep up with, you might consider one of the smaller bundles that has just the journals you want most. That might prove to be a more economically friendly way to stay up to date with the latest updates. We're open to creating different configurations as well if the current ones don't meet your needs.
We're having conversations about subscription access to journals, but it would likely be true non-ownership subscription. There's not really an easy way to do an ownership-based subscription to journals without holding back some content. That way we could make sure you're getting a consistent amount of content for your $100/yr. But what if someone else wants to pay $50/yr., another $150, and another $250? And what if they have interests in different journals? It starts to get complicated to give everyone the amount of content and kind of content they want at the price level they can afford. What if you could pay $10/mo. for the full library of journals we offer, but not own them? Is there a price at which non-ownership subscription becomes attractive?
I would be interested in a model similar to that of several online journal sites where I can buy the specific articles I want ... or buy access to them for a fixed period of time.
There's not really an easy way to do an ownership-based subscription to journals without holding back some content.
I agree with you that these journals are terrific value, but also expensive. Anything you can do to drive the price down still further would be useful. I appreciate it's hard to offer an annual plan when you don't know what the content will be next quarter, never mind in three quarters time! But what if you offered a discount (or a credit), to people who committed to buying all the updates in a year?
For those wanting a rent-to-buy model, can I suggest setting up a Logos Book Cache for $30 or $60/month? If you did that, you should have enough tucked away by the time the journals are released.
We're working to add as many new journals as quickly as we can, while updating the existing journals with the last volumes/issues. I'd love to see us get to the place in the next five years where we have a journal library of 10,000+ volumes.
Wow, I have not heard of that number before. That is very significant and exciting.
Are you working at possibly incorporating journals that you currently have in Logos that are currently not in the Master Bundle? e.g. The Emmaus Journals? Is the long term plan to have most of or all of these a part of the Master Bundle?
But what if you offered a discount (or a credit), to people who committed to buying all the updates in a year?
I like that suggestion.
But what if you offered a discount (or a credit), to people who committed to buying all the updates in a year? I like that suggestion.
I would not pay such ridiculous and absurd prices for these Master Journal Bundles, no matter how may books and journals they contain. End of story.
Reminds me of those absolutely ludicrous prices that Zondervan has on their Dynamic Pricing sale; which is not a sale at all.
I am excited to hear this, and am definitely in on the pre-pub. I had all the galaxie journals, and bought the MJL. Hopefully they are released at a measured pace so as not to overwhelm. This once a quarter thing sounds good though. I just hope it doesn't get to a point where once a quarter I'm adding 500$ onto a payment plan or something like that.
10,000 journals at 10$/month would be quite enticing. However I'm already on the path to own those same titles. If I were to be a brand new seminarian next semester, without owning any bible study software, renting a huge library of journals and books for the cost of a starbucks coffee each month would be incredibly attractive. However, since I am not new, and have been buying books for years the rental option isn't probably something I would do very often. I can conceive of a few scenarios where I might rent for a couple months here or there... But as it stands now, for 70$ a quarter, I'm just going to buy them
I would not pay such ridiculous and absurd prices for these Master Journal Bundles, no matter how may books and journals they contain. End of story. Reminds me of those absolutely ludicrous prices that Zondervan has on their Dynamic Pricing sale; which is not a sale at all.
There's absolutely no comparison between the two. The Master Journal Bundle 2.1 is probably giving you 150,000-200,000 pages for $799 on prepub, which works out at less than half a cent per page. The Complete Zondervan / Thomas Nelson Bundle (900 vols.) is a similar size, but for $12,849.81, which is nearly 14 cents per page.
How can they even be compared, in terms of value for money? I think the Master Journal Bundle is astonishingly good value.
We have smaller bundles available as well as the option of buying individual journals. These might be a better option for those on a smaller budget or with no need or interest in all that's included in the MJB.
True. And as much as these journal collections might eventually cost -- especially if they continue to add journals -- some types of research require the use of journals. And how awesome it would be to have them all in Logos. Some of the more important academic journals (Novum Testamentum comes to mind) would hike that final tab up a bit, but again, it would be awesome.
We're open to creating different configurations as well if the current ones don't meet your needs.
Verbum/Catholic Journals Collection. That might include journals like First Things, Letter and Spirit, and a whole bunch of stuff that I'm sure is coming down the pipeline eventually.
For the future, instead of a generic "Academic Journal Bundle", I wish there were a specific "Biblical Studies Journal Bundle". Currently, there wouldn't be much difference, perhaps. But there are some journals devoted to biblical studies not in the Academic bundle, and there are a few journals not focused on biblical studies in the Academic bundle. Especially as quarterly updates become more expansive (and expensive), I'd like to be as focused as possible. Buying individual journals is possible, but most of us love the bundles' discounts.
Many of us find great value in these journals. Hence, why Faithlife is working diligently to provide them. For those of use involved in academic work access to such journals are invaluable. And, as Phil pointed out, "You're paying about $.40 per journal volume or about $.10–15 per issue. That's insanely inexpensive." Not to mention, you don't have to purchase the Master Journal Bundle. Buy one of the smaller bundles, or don't buy them at all. But for those who use journals on a regular basis this is fantastic news.
But for those who use journals on a regular basis this is fantastic news.
When I first bought Logos back in the 18th century (well, maybe a bit later), having journals as well as having ancient Greek literature available in Logos were dreams of mine that I thought were unrealistic. But it's getting there and I am thrilled. As you say, this is necessary for academic work.
We're open to creating different configurations as well if the current ones don't meet your needs. Verbum/Catholic Journals Collection. That might include journals like First Things, Letter and Spirit, and a whole bunch of stuff that I'm sure is coming down the pipeline eventually.
We're open to creating different configurations as well if the current ones don't meet your needs. For the future, instead of a generic "Academic Journal Bundle", I wish there were a specific "Biblical Studies Journal Bundle". Currently, there wouldn't be much difference, perhaps. But there are some journals devoted to biblical studies not in the Academic bundle, and there are a few journals not focused on biblical studies in the Academic bundle. Especially as quarterly updates become more expansive (and expensive), I'd like to be as focused as possible. Buying individual journals is possible, but most of us love the bundles' discounts.
Thanks for the suggestions. We'll consider them for the next round.
I must have missed something, so I apologize for asking: If the new updated bundles are version 2.1, which release was version 2.0? Isn't the original offering to be considered 1.0?
Thanks for clearing up my thinking.
I'm guessing they are using something like a <Volume>.<Issue> format.
Phil, The current pricing is confusing. If I upgrade the Master Journal Bundle to 2.1 then I pay £90 but if I just by the theology ones it costs me £120. If I do as you say and purchase less then it actually costs me more?[:S]
Could you not have an option which enables just getting the newest volumes from the journals I already own? If the master journal bundle becomes 10000 different journals then focus is definitely required.
Please bear in mind that journals are by their nature owner subscriber content. It really makes sense to have some affordable owner subscriber option.
Obviously rental also makes a lot of sense but then as usual not for those of us who already own a lot.
Thanks for your consideration.
John
