Can we get the ESV Global Study Bible free in Logos?

Tim Taylor
Tim Taylor Member Posts: 506 ✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

I noticed today that Crossway now gives away the eBooks for their ESV Global Study Bible. You can download the ePub or mobi files here:

http://www.esv.org/e-books/

Can we get this converted to Logos? This would be a nice free resource to offer to make the initial entry point for people into the Logos ecosystem easier.

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  • Floyd  Johnson
    Floyd Johnson Member Posts: 4,002 ✭✭✭

    I noticed today that Crossway now gives away the eBooks for their ESV Global Study Bible. You can download the ePub or mobi files here:

    http://www.esv.org/e-books/

    Can we get this converted to Logos? This would be a nice free resource to offer to make the initial entry point for people into the Logos ecosystem easier.

    Probably not in LOGOS; maybe in Vyrso, but not likely.

    Blessings,
    Floyd

    Pastor-Patrick.blogspot.com

  • Schumitinu
    Schumitinu Member Posts: 570 ✭✭

    How much does it differ from the ESV Study Bible notes that we already have in Logos?

  • TCBlack
    TCBlack Member Posts: 10,980 ✭✭✭

    How much does it differ from the ESV Study Bible notes that we already have in Logos?

    The relevant page says "The Global Study Bible’s notes and maps were adapted from the best-selling ESV Study Bible and contain a wealth of information about the biblical text, history, and geography. With overviews of each Bible book, special facts, and character profiles, the Global Study Bible is an outstanding resource for Christians everywhere who seek to know and understand the truth of the Bible and its global meaning."

    I believe that means it is the boiled down essence of the ESVSB.  So if you have the larger you probably gain nothing by having the smaller.

    On the page linked above there is a preview of Genesis, and by comparing it with the larger version I can tell you the introduction material is shorter and includes a relatively new block on "the global message of genesis". I did not compare that section with the rest of the ESVSB's introductory material but my hunch is that it is a mixture of new and "old".

    The notes are indeed abbreviated, but only slightly, the global sb is still a powerhouse of notes by the looks of the first three chapters of Genesis.

    Hmm Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. 

  • Erwin Stull, Sr.
    Erwin Stull, Sr. Member Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭

    How much does it differ from the ESV Study Bible notes that we already have in Logos?

    Here is an excerpt from Genesis 1:1. The ESVSB in Logos, and the ESVGSB in Kindle.

    ESVSB in Logos


    1:1 In the beginning. This opening verse can be taken as a summary, introducing the whole passage; or it can be read as the first event, the origin of the heavens and the earth (sometime before the first day), including the creation of matter, space, and time. This second view (the origin of the heavens and the earth) is confirmed by the NT writers’ affirmation that creation was from nothing (Heb. 11:3; Rev. 4:11). God created. Although the Hebrew word for “God,” ’Elohim, is plural in form (possibly to express majesty), the verb “create” is singular, indicating that God is thought of as one being. Genesis is consistently monotheistic in its outlook, in marked contrast to other ancient Near Eastern accounts of creation. There is only one God. The Hebrew verb bara’, “create,” is always used in the OT with God as the subject; while it is not always used to describe creation out of nothing, it does stress God’s sovereignty and power. Heavens and the earth here means “everything.” This means, then, that “In the beginning” refers to the beginning of everything. The text indicates that God created everything in the universe, which thus affirms that he did in fact create it ex nihilo (Latin “out of nothing”). The effect of the opening words of the Bible is to establish that God, in his inscrutable wisdom, sovereign power, and majesty, is the Creator of all things that exist.

    1:1 God’s act of creation is the foundation for the entire biblical history. A considerable number of passages refer back to creation (e.g., Psalms 8; 104; 148; John 1:1–3; 1 Cor. 8:6; Col. 1:15–17; Heb. 1:2; 11:3; 1 John 1:5–7). All the rest of the Bible depends indirectly on it.

    ESV Global Study Bible in Kindle

    GENESIS— NOTE ON 1: 1– 11: 26 Primeval History. Genesis 1– 11 surveys the history of the world before Abraham, while chs. 12– 50 focus on one main family. There are no real parallels to chs. 12– 50 in the literature of other ancient civilizations. However, other ancient stories do exist about both creation and the flood. These stories stand in sharp contrast to the biblical account. Generally they depict creation as a great struggle, often involving conflict between the gods. For example, they claim that the flood was sent because the gods could not stand the noise made by human beings but were unable to control it in any other way. Genesis disproves such stories by its teachings. There is only one God, whose word is almighty. He spoke the world into being. The sun and moon are not gods in their own right but are created by the one God. It is human sin that prompts the flood. These principles in Genesis 1– 11 run through the rest of Scripture.

    FACT In the Hebrew Bible, the title of Genesis is In the Beginning, the book’s first words. The English title is related to the Greek word genesis, which means “beginning.”

    1: 1– 2: 3 God’s Creation and Ordering of Heaven and Earth. The book of Genesis opens with a majestic description of how God created the heavens and earth and then put everything in order so that it might become his dwelling place. God assigns humanity to govern the other creatures on his behalf, so that the whole earth should become the temple of God, the place of his presence, displaying his glory.

    GENESIS— NOTE ON 1: 1 In the beginning. The opening verse of the Genesis creation account can be taken as either (1) a summary of the entire process of creation or (2) a description of the first event in creation. This event would have occurred sometime before the first day (vv. 3– 5), and would have included the creation of matter, space, and time. This second view emphasizes the fact that God created the universe from nothing (compare Heb. 11: 3). God created. The Hebrew word for God, ’Elohim, is plural, possibly to express God’s majesty, but the verb “created” is singular, indicating that God is one being. In contrast to other ancient Near Eastern accounts of creation, Genesis always emphasizes that there is only one God. Whenever the Hebrew verb for “create” occurs in the OT, God is the subject. Heavens and the earth here means “everything.” Thus, “in the beginning” refers to the beginning of everything. The text indicates that God created everything in the universe, which means that he created it out of nothing.

    ESV Bibles by Crossway (2012-10-31). ESV Global Study Bible (Kindle Locations 11220-11231). Crossway. Kindle Edition.

  • Mattillo
    Mattillo Member Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭✭

    I don't know if there is DRM in there but if it is free I would doubt it. You could've use Calibre to convert the epub/mobi to a docx and then import into logos as a personal book.

  • William Gabriel
    William Gabriel Member Posts: 1,091 ✭✭

    Some of us have posted about it before. Logos should offer it for free. I understand that there is a production cost, so to cover that, Logos can put it in Community Pricing, and many of us will gladly cover those costs so future users can have it for free.

    Didn't hear a peep from Logos/Faithlife about the product way back when it was introduced and offered at no cost by Crossway.

  • Erwin Stull, Sr.
    Erwin Stull, Sr. Member Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭

    Some of us have posted about it before. Logos should offer it for free. I understand that there is a production cost, so to cover that, Logos can put it in Community Pricing, and many of us will gladly cover those costs so future users can have it for free.

    Didn't hear a peep from Logos/Faithlife about the product way back when it was introduced and offered at no cost by Crossway.

    What would be the benefit of having this, if one already has the ESVSB? I would bid a few dollars to help produce a free version, but I don't see any advantage or benefit in having it if you already have the ESVSB. They all appear to be published by Crossway.

  • Tim Taylor
    Tim Taylor Member Posts: 506 ✭✭

    Mattillo said:

    I don't know if there is DRM in there but if it is free I would doubt it. You could've use Calibre to convert the epub/mobi to a docx and then import into logos as a personal book.

    Yeah, I'm actually in the process of trying to do it. It is kinda confusing how to since Calibre unfortunately doesn't support converting a file to docx. I found these instructions saying to convert to htmlz, extract, and then open in word. Is that how you do it? I'm trying that now. We'll see if it works. It would be nice to have it as a legit Logos resource as right now, Logos has failed to make the personal books feature work on mobile devices which has been super frustrating.

    I have already bought the ESV Study Bible in Kindle, but I'd really like to have it in Logos without paying another $50 for it! Esp. since you can get it for only $16 on Kindle and not to mention you can even get a print version for less than half of what the Logos version costs! This seems very ridiculous to me especially now that they have this free "global" version that seems to be very similar.

  • Floyd  Johnson
    Floyd Johnson Member Posts: 4,002 ✭✭✭

    [quote user="William Gabriel"] Didn't hear a peep from Logos/Faithlife about the product way back when it was introduced and offered at no cost by Crossway. [/quote]

    It is still free - as an app for Apple, on-line, or as an e-book (ePub or Mobi):  http://bit.ly/1L5aYZ3 

    Blessings,
    Floyd

    Pastor-Patrick.blogspot.com

  • Tim Taylor
    Tim Taylor Member Posts: 506 ✭✭

    So far I haven't had any luck converting this to a Word Doc for Logos Personal books at all! I tried converting to htmlz as per the instructions I linked to above, and then Word asked me for permission to access all 275 images in the book one by one! Before I could finish, Word crashed. I tried converting as an RTF in Calibre, and then when I try to open that file, Word stops responding. Grrrr, can anyone else please try? Or teach me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks in advance.

  • Floyd  Johnson
    Floyd Johnson Member Posts: 4,002 ✭✭✭

    Mattillo said:

    I don't know if there is DRM in there but if it is free I would doubt it. You could've use Calibre to convert the epub/mobi to a docx and then import into logos as a personal book.

    I have a docx version of the GSB that loads into MS Word without error - however when I try to convert it to a PBB using LOGOS, LOGOS crashes - with a window telling me I can debug LOGOS. I am not an PBB expert or a log file expert if that would help.  Any one want to take a look?

    Blessings,
    Floyd

    Pastor-Patrick.blogspot.com

  • Erwin Stull, Sr.
    Erwin Stull, Sr. Member Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭

    I have just converted the file to docx, but something may be wrong. When opening in MS-Word, the page count is 9,537 pages.

  • Erwin Stull, Sr.
    Erwin Stull, Sr. Member Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭

    I had an issue uploading the 54MB docx file here, so I will try to upload to the special files forum (no guarantee). What I did was I downloaded the ESVGSB in mobi format, converted file in Calibre to docx, opened in MS-Word and created a PBB with no issues, although it did take some time to compile The concern that I have is the over 9K page count when the paperback on Amazon is listed at only 1,984.

    My configuration is:

    • Calibre 2.28 (64bit)
    • MS-Word 2010
    • Logos 6.7 Beta 1
    • Microsoft Windows 7 64bit
    • 8GB RAM

    EDIT: Could not upload files to forum.

  • Floyd  Johnson
    Floyd Johnson Member Posts: 4,002 ✭✭✭

    Erwin, the eBook versions place the footnotes and cross references on separate pages at the end of each Bible book. They are linked to by the original text and link back to the original text, but add to the page count.  Also, these added pages are displayed in the default font, making them larger than the paper versions of this Bible.  This could be what you are seeing.

    Blessings,
    Floyd

    Pastor-Patrick.blogspot.com

  • Erwin Stull, Sr.
    Erwin Stull, Sr. Member Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭

    Erwin, the eBook versions place the footnotes and cross references on separate pages at the end of each Bible book. They are linked to by the original text and link back to the original text, but add to the page count.  Also, these added pages are displayed in the default font, making them larger than the paper versions of this Bible.  This could be what you are seeing.

    Thanks Floyd; That makes sense.

    BTW: I could not upload the files to the forum. Not sure if it is because of the size or if something is wrong with the forum.

  • Floyd  Johnson
    Floyd Johnson Member Posts: 4,002 ✭✭✭

    BTW: I could not upload the files to the forum. Not sure if it is because of the size or if something is wrong with the forum.

    Any possibility of sharing using Dropbox or SkyDrive for 24-48 hours?

    Blessings,
    Floyd

    Pastor-Patrick.blogspot.com

  • Floyd  Johnson
    Floyd Johnson Member Posts: 4,002 ✭✭✭

    Downloaded fine AFAIK, but I am getting the same error message I received when I tried to create the PBB with my DocX file.  Strange.

    I wonder if it could be because I have MS Word 2016 - upgraded last week.  Has there been any reported problems with the new version of Word and PBB?

    Blessings,
    Floyd

    Pastor-Patrick.blogspot.com

  • Don Awalt
    Don Awalt Member Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭

    Crashes almost immediately for me on 6.6 SR-1. You may ant to post a BUG: report on the Logos 6 forum, referencing this thread.

  • Erwin Stull, Sr.
    Erwin Stull, Sr. Member Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭

    Downloaded fine AFAIK, but I am getting the same error message I received when I tried to create the PBB with my DocX file.  Strange.

    I wonder if it could be because I have MS Word 2016 - upgraded last week.  Has there been any reported problems with the new version of Word and PBB?

    That is strange. If your setup is similar to mine with the exception of MS-Word, I would be leaning towards word as the culprit. However, the file format of the new version shouldn't change. Microsoft did make such a change with 2007, but they also changed the file extension to docx. The next thing I would try would be to save the file in a previous Word format such as doc, then open it and save in docx. That should be a non-destructive test. If anything happens to the file, just download it again.

    Well, at this point, the cause is beyond me. I am curious if it does have something to do with Word 2016, but I don't have that version on the network or any of my machines.

  • Erwin Stull, Sr.
    Erwin Stull, Sr. Member Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭

    Don Awalt said:

    Crashes almost immediately for me on 6.6 SR-1. You may ant to post a BUG: report on the Logos 6 forum, referencing this thread.

    Hi Don;

    Take a look at my reply earlier in the thread. I'm using 6.7 Beta 1, Word 2010, and Calibre 2.28. It compiled and converted to a PBB without error. It just took a while, which I chalk up to be due to the file size.

    I agree, A new post is probably required at this point.

    EDIT: I think I may have spoken too soon. I'm experiencing the endless sync issue and I think it may be due to the PBB.

  • Don Awalt
    Don Awalt Member Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭

    Good idea Erwin, it got me thinking of something similar!

    It works for me now - I didn't have to do exactly what Erwin suggested, but because of that when I went to try it, I did a File/Save As, and I noticed/remembered there is a checkbox "Maintain compatibility with prior versions" - I checked that. And it compiles fine now! There must be some minor feature add-in to Word 2016 that, through their format specifications, old versions are able to ignore but it will remove something small. You might want to try this trick to get it to compile, it looked fine to me so far (but it is very big - someone else might notice a formatting glitch or something!)

    I would still create a new thread with the version that crashes the PB compiler attached -  this will generate a lot of support activity otherwise!

  • Don Awalt
    Don Awalt Member Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭

    As a sore point to remember, if you want this Personal Book on a second computer, you will have to move the source and recompile it yourself - the upload button is not available because the file size limitation has kicked in [:@]

  • Floyd  Johnson
    Floyd Johnson Member Posts: 4,002 ✭✭✭

    Thanks, Don.  I will give this a try later today. Our worship service does happen until 2 PM EDT/EST, and I will be busy till then. ☺

    Blessings,
    Floyd

    Pastor-Patrick.blogspot.com

  • Erwin Stull, Sr.
    Erwin Stull, Sr. Member Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭

    Don Awalt said:

    I would still create a new thread with the version that crashes the PB compiler attached -  this will generate a lot of support activity otherwise!

    Hi Don;

    I created a post yesterday at this location https://community.logos.com/forums/p/117182/769265.aspx#769265 referencing this thread.

  • Don Awalt
    Don Awalt Member Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭

    Randy, I opened the document that was posted here, using Word 2016, resaved it after checking the box "Maintain compatibility with prior versions of Word" or something similar, which you see on the dialog box when you do File Save As. Did you try that? After I did that it compiled fine, the whole thing - it took about 10 minutes on my very fast laptop, but it did finish. Before clicking that check box it would crash immediately when I tried to compile.

  • Mattillo
    Mattillo Member Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭✭

    I'm sorry I haven't responded in a while as I've been very busy.  Calibre does support converting epub/mobi to Docx.  I have done it on my laptop using Windows.  I would try upgrading your Calibre if you don't see this but it also does show this availability on the website.  I was able to convert it but as mentioned earlier it comes out to 54mb.  Also as mentioned earlier, everything is tabbed nicely but all is separate so you will see the bible, then footnotes, then cross-references, and then study notes.  If someone has time, I'd suggest going through and deleting everything but the study notes.  Your only issue after that is making a new TOC as nothing would match up after deleting all of that stuff

  • Tim Taylor
    Tim Taylor Member Posts: 506 ✭✭

    Mattillo said:

    Calibre does support converting epub/mobi to Docx

    Sure enough, I have an outdated version, downloading the update now! :) Thanks for the heads up on that.

    Mattillo said:

    If someone has time, I'd suggest going through and deleting everything but the study notes.

    I'm actually almost done doing this exact thing. I will post it here when I'm finished. Thanks all for the thoughts and feedback on this. Would be a lot easier if Faithlife just ran this as a free Vyrso book at least! :)

  • JT (alabama24)
    JT (alabama24) MVP Posts: 36,523

    Robert - I know you mean well, but posting .docx files of copyrighted material isn't allowed in the forums. You will need to delete your link. This protects you and faithlife both. Faithlife has already removed a similar link in this thread, but it would be good if you did so before they need to do so. 

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  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭

    alabama24 said:

    Robert - I know you mean well, but posting .docx files of copyrighted material isn't allowed in the forums. You will need to delete your link. This protects you and faithlife both. Faithlife has already removed a similar link in this thread, but it would be good if you did so before they need to do so. 

    Actually, both links are still up and active in this thread.

    There may have been a third. But Edwins link, and Robert's link are both alive and well and visible on my end.


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  • JohnB
    JohnB Member Posts: 1,085 ✭✭

    Hi there. You have really taken in something!! Not much sleep recently!
    Thanks so much for your hard work.

    Warnings

    [Warning] Failed to interpret width value: 0pt

    is a straight forward one. It is harmless but is caused by tables not being allocated a 'preferred width'.  Each group of warnings probably reflects one table.  To eliminate it go to each table in turn, select it, right click, choose properties, select table and click the preferred width box setting the width to (say) 15 com. Then you can come out of settings and drag the columns to what suits you because that will automatically update the preferred width but not nuke it. To select tables in a hugh file like this go to the Find & Replace utility in word, select GO TO and from the menu select Table. You can then move directly from table to table.  On the other hand you can just leave it as it does not seem to effect the resulting file!

  • Jacob Cerone
    Jacob Cerone Member, Logos Employee Posts: 293

    I have deleted the links to copyrighted material and am locking this thread. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. 

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