New Feature: Multiview Resources (Tool)
What is it?
The Multiview Resources Tool is a feature that allows you to add guest resources to a host resource panel. All the visual filters and search results from the host resource are shared with the guest resources.
How does it work?
Add multiple translations of the Bible or even commentaries in the same panel with the Multiview Resources tool. The resources you bring together will share the same location, visual filters, and search results. Study original-language texts side by side with English translations. Search for a specific word and both texts will filter down to your search results. This tool treats multiple resources as one—and the applications to your study are endless.
Where can I learn more?
- Watch this feature in action here: https://logos.wistia.com/medias/sk99jka9yi
- https://www.logos.com/product/54887/multiview-resources
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Very nice, I can now have related study bible notes show up when I want to quickly get additional information about the text at hand and just as quickly turn them off.so I can refocus on the text. Short-cut key is especially helpful in reading view.
In setup below I have ESV, ESV Study Bible, Reformation Study Bible (ESV) and Lutheran Study Bible (ESV). Should work nicely to with NIV, NIV Zondervan Study Bible and Ryrie Study Bible (NIV) and other similar setups for other translations. Fatihlife Study Bible could easily be thrown in the mix too but if often leads you deeper than when all you want to do is simple clarification on a point so I opted to leave it out.
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This is tremendous
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I am enjoying this new feature. Possibly the best update in a while for the way I study the bible.
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Orpheus Heyward said:
This is tremendous
Agreed! This is a very, very nice feature. I'm liking the tight and compact layout of the multiview resource panes quite a bit. They are much handier than throwing together the same link sets over and over again.
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This is an amazing feature! I am curious how many are using this.....Anyone want to share how they are using this?
I find it useful with having the Greek text open and with the corresponding words filter it becomes even more useful......
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Love this new tool. One suggestion: can you make it optional to show the multiple resource either side by side or below? This may work better for some layouts given the orientation of most monitors.
Thanks!
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I am enjoying this feature.
Great job!
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John Fidel said:
One suggestion: can you make it optional to show the multiple resource either side by side or below? This may work better for some layouts given the orientation of most monitors.
Thanks for the suggestion! I've passed it along to development.
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Jacob,
Another suggestion: When using the multi view feature with lexicons, it would be great if there is not a corresponding entry that the resource would not display. For example TLOT is a great, but very targeted resource. If tied to HALOT and there is no corresponding entry, it would simply not display. this would allow for more targeted resources to be tied but not take up space if there is not corresponding entry.
I think this currently works with the biblical reference resources such as commentaries.
Thanks
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John Fidel said:
I think this currently works with the biblical reference resources such as commentaries.
Just tried this, and you are correct.
John Fidel said:When using the multi view feature with lexicons, it would be great if there is not a corresponding entry that the resource would not display.
I agree
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Mike Tourangeau said:
Anyone want to share how they are using this?
As shown in my response to John above, I have one in a floating window for Greek lexicons and will build one for Hebrew lexicons soon.
Also have one floating window with concise commentaries. The presence of a Bible as host keeps things aligned better than putting a commentary first.
Then, I have one for my favorite Study Bibles—Actually this was my first creation. Recreated it with a Bible as host for the reason stated above.
My main screen features the NKJV. Then the floating windows have NIV84 and ESV because I am not sure I can create more than one Multiple Resource window with the same version. Perhaps I should try that.
NOTE: I have a 27" iMac which gives me plenty of room to spread the floating windows.
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Jack, thanks for the tip. This makes it really easy to create floating windows with multiple resources that link easily to the biblical text.
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John Fidel said:
Another suggestion: When using the multi view feature with lexicons, it would be great if there is not a corresponding entry that the resource would not display. For example TLOT is a great, but very targeted resource. If tied to HALOT and there is no corresponding entry, it would simply not display. this would allow for more targeted resources to be tied but not take up space if there is not corresponding entry.
This makes a lot of sense. I'll investigate on Monday.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Mike Tourangeau said:
This is an amazing feature! I am curious how many are using this.....Anyone want to share how they are using this?
It's kind of handy if you are reading multiple daily devotionals. Put all the devotionals in one panel, then create a shortcut to the main book. Then when you open that book each day, you'll get all the devotionals opened up to the same day.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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I'm really liking the single interlinear ribbon shared by all the columns. With multiple Bibles in separate panes, each has its own ribbon showing only two or three words. With the shared ribbon spanning all the columns, much more context is visible.
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It would be nice to be able to create a multiview resource out of the Vatican II Documents and the Vatican II Documents (Latin). They are both indexed to the "Documents of Vatican II" index.
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reading multiple daily devotionals. Put all the devotionals in one panel, then create a shortcut to the main book. Then when you open that book each day, you'll get all the devotionals opened up to the same day
Good idea Andrew!
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Mike Tourangeau said:
This is an amazing feature! I am curious how many are using this.....Anyone want to share how they are using this?
It's kind of handy if you are reading multiple daily devotionals. Put all the devotionals in one panel, then create a shortcut to the main book. Then when you open that book each day, you'll get all the devotionals opened up to the same day.
Great idea!
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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I'm finally tempted to try Logos Now just for this! It looks so neat [:)]
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When would someone use this and not separate panes that are linked? What's the advantage/disadvantage?
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Ben said:
When would someone use this and not separate panes that are linked? What's the advantage/disadvantage?
The main advantage are that it's much quicker to switch this on/off. I can switch from my main Bible to also include two additional versions I often consult in just two clicks, and without my layout getting messed around.
The other difference is that you can scroll the secondary panels without the primary panel moving. When you link separate panes it doesn't work like that.
A main disadvantage is that series doesn't work in the secondary panels. That's a deal-breaker for adding commentaries to a multiview.
So, it's superb if you use one Bible, and often want to see other versions (particularly if you always want to see the same additional versions). It's less good in other use cases.
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Ben said:
When would someone use this and not separate panes that are linked? What's the advantage/disadvantage?
Take a look at the video here. I find the feature to be incredibly helpful for a number of cases. Instead of having to set up a series with the Greek and Hebrew texts in the same series so that they handle OT and NT when tied to an English text, you can simply add texts you want as you need them. For those that don't know how series work, it gives them a way to conserve space instead of having three texts (English, Greek, Hebrew) tied together.
Also, all the visual filters of the host resource are shared with the guests. In the video, you'll see how effective this is when using the Corresponding Words Visual Filter.
Another cool use is to have your prioritized lexicon loaded with guest lexicons. That way you can compare glosses/definitions by double-clicking on a word in the Greek/Hebrew text.
I'm sure others have many more uses for it that I haven't included or even explored myself.
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Mark Barnes said:
The main advantage are that it's much quicker to switch this on/off. I can switch from my main Bible to also include two additional versions I often consult in just two clicks, and without my layout getting messed around.
Or just one keyboard shortcut: Ctrl + Shift + M or Cmd + Shift + M
Mark Barnes said:A main disadvantage is that series doesn't work in the secondary panels. That's a deal-breaker for adding commentaries to a multiview.
Series don't automatically work yet, but you can add all the resources from a series. This highlights another advantage over panel linking. Only resources containing an equivalent location to the main resource are made visible. That means when you add a Greek and a Hebrew Bible to your English Bible, only the appropriate original language Bible will appear based on where you are in the English Bible.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Jacob Cerone said:
compare glosses/definitions by double-clicking on a word in the Greek/Hebrew text.
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one keyboard shortcut: Ctrl + Shift + M
You just made my day, I looked for this recently after seeing someone mention a shortcut, but they didn't say what it was, and I couldn't find it elsewhere.
Logos 10 | Dell Inspiron 7373 | Windows 11 Pro 64, i7, 16GB, SSD | iPhone 13 Pro Max
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James Taylor said:
one keyboard shortcut: Ctrl + Shift + M
You just made my day, I looked for this recently after seeing someone mention a shortcut, but they didn't say what it was, and I couldn't find it elsewhere.
Worth noting that this definition (and other shortcuts) is available in the Logos 6 Help file within the software itself
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While the developers are looking at this thread, I'd love to see it easier to have multiple configurations.
The present implementation is that it works fine when you want the same panels on/off each time. But that's not how I'd like it. If my main version is NIV:
- Sometimes I'd like to see my 'secondary' Bibles (NKJV, ESV, KJV).
- Sometimes I'd like original languages (or the Septuagint).
- Sometimes I'd like a commentary or study Bible.
Switching between these is more hassle than it's worth, so I personally just stick with toggling (1) on and off.
I have two suggestions about how this could be improved:
- Keep recently used secondary resources near the top of the picker. (Currently, as soon as you deselect a secondary resource it disappears into the list, and it can be difficult to find again. I'd like it to stay at the top of the list for a little while.)
- Save the multiview configuration to history. If you did this, then we could drag items from the history to favourites or the toolbar. That would enable us to create different shortcuts for different multiview configurations.
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Graham Criddle said:
this definition (and other shortcuts) is available in the Logos 6 Help file
Thanks Graham
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Mark Barnes said:
two suggestions about how this could be improved:
- Keep recently used secondary resources near the top of the picker. (Currently, as soon as you deselect a secondary resource it disappears into the list, and it can be difficult to find again. I'd like it to stay at the top of the list for a little while.)
- Save the multiview configuration to history. If you did this, then we could drag items from the history to favourites or the toolbar. That would enable us to create different shortcuts for different multiview configurations.
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Mark Barnes said:
Save the multiview configuration to history. If you did this, then we could drag items from the history to favourites or the toolbar. That would enable us to create different shortcuts for different multiview configurations.
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll pass them along. Note that you can drag the panel directly to your favorites/toolbar in order to save the configuration.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Thanks for the suggestions. I'll pass them along. Note that you can drag the panel directly to your favorites/toolbar in order to save the configuration.
Great. Thanks. I didn't realise that worked because it doesn't save the status of the main "show multiple resources" check box. But it does save the status of the individual resources, so that's good enough.
But perhaps you should file that as a bug.
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Can you guys make the parallel resources/drop down resources menu stretchable? (stretchable to the right to make it bigger/longer) And that it would remember the size the next time we open it again? thank you.
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Mark Barnes said:
Great. Thanks. I didn't realise that worked because it doesn't save the status of the main "show multiple resources" check box. But it does save the status of the individual resources, so that's good enough.
But perhaps you should file that as a bug.
Ugh, sorry about that. I forgot that the fix for this didn't make it into the 6.6 final release. It's already fixed though, and will be available in the upcoming 6.7 beta 1.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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One more suggestion..
Can you guys also add the book cover picture to the left of the check-box/abbreviated name? I like to see pretty pictures [:)] easier for us to remember.
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John Fidel said:
Another suggestion: When using the multi view feature with lexicons, it would be great if there is not a corresponding entry that the resource would not display. For example TLOT is a great, but very targeted resource. If tied to HALOT and there is no corresponding entry, it would simply not display. this would allow for more targeted resources to be tied but not take up space if there is not corresponding entry.
This makes a lot of sense. I'll investigate on Monday.
This should be fixed on 6.7 Beta 2.
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Angela Murashov said:John Fidel said:
Another suggestion: When using the multi view feature with lexicons, it would be great if there is not a corresponding entry that the resource would not display. For example TLOT is a great, but very targeted resource. If tied to HALOT and there is no corresponding entry, it would simply not display. this would allow for more targeted resources to be tied but not take up space if there is not corresponding entry.
This makes a lot of sense. I'll investigate on Monday.
This should be fixed on 6.7 Beta 2.
This fix is now available with 6.7 on the stable channel.
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I own Logos 8.17 (and my base package library is pre-L7). This feature isn't showing up for me. Has it gone away? Or is it only available with certain packages? Is there a way to get only this without paying (much)?
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Joshua Jensen said:
I own Logos 8.17 (and my base package library is pre-L7). This feature isn't showing up for me. Has it gone away? Or is it only available with certain packages? Is there a way to get only this without paying (much)?
The icon has changed since L7, and the tool looks different now from the screenshot Jacob included. Are you not seeing this icon (it looks like a pause button, but it's meant to depict two parallel windows) in any of your bibles or commentaries?
If you don't have it, this page shows what feature upgrade packages it's included in. You can find the cheapest one for you and get that:
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