Theology/Denomination Tags

Andrew Baguley said:

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptist_successionism, "It is now identified primarily with Landmarkism, though not exclusively so."  By this I understand that they are not the same and would need separate categories.  If you have very clear lists of authors available in Logos for each (e.g. Is J M Carroll a Logos author?), and the lists are of a reasonable length, preferably with evidence that can be checked on the web, then I can add them to the spreadsheet.  The Landmarkists should be people who definitely were not in, or withdrew from, the SBC and were in an independent tradition.

Hope that's clear and helpful.  I'm grateful for the work you put into this, abondservant.

As I understand it, Baptist successionism sprung out of Landmarkism, it may have grown beyond that. In any case the authors on the Baptist Successionism page are also in my professors notes as Landmarkers. Landmarkers were a subset of the SBC, some withdrew. The SBC may be worth being a denom stream of its own as there have been many spin offs and new denominations seeded by internal controversy.

As logos expands its baptist coverage a number of these authors are coming into pre-pub and CP. I will determine just exactly who is and isn't. Though I think all of them ought to be included to save from having to re-trace our steps later. I understand if thats outside the scope.

David Menton said:

Perhaps denominational designations are not as useful as they once were given the broad spectrum of beliefs within denominations. For example, as a conservative Lutheran, I am theologically closer to a conservative Baptist than I am to a liberal Lutheran. Maybe just tag resources as being conservative or liberal.

The problem is that who I (as a reformed baptist) see as liberal is going to be different than who a campbelite sees as liberal, will be different than who you see as liberal, and a Presbyterian may think were all liberal. 

Conservative seems to be the term one uses to describe their own position, liberal - the people to ones left, and fundamentalists are possibly more conservative still. 

Dr. Charles A. Wootten said:

Andrew Baguley said:

Dr. Charles A. Wootten said:

I just found misspellings in Pauline Prison Epistles, Pauline Epistles, and a couple others with respect to Colossians and Philippians (and probably others).

I'm not sure whether this is a criticism of anything in this project, Charley.  If so, please could you be more specific and I'll be sure to make the corrections?  Thanks for the input.

As you see I only drop by once in awhile. My comment is NOT a negative criticism. If olny my tpinyg was good... heheh. Going through "mytags" at my site recently I found my own typos, so I cannot "cast the first stone." Other than the generalities I posted above I cannot recall specifically the others but Pauline Prison Epistles collection and Pauline Epistles collection had those two proper nouns misspelled. They may have been corrected by now.

God bless

{charley}

Thanks Charley - but I am not sure you got those collections from this project

We focus on Theology, denominational, and meta-denominational groupings. Your commentary collections must have come from another project. 

Blessings!

David Menton said:

Perhaps denominational designations are not as useful as they once were given the broad spectrum of beliefs within denominations. For example, as a conservative Lutheran, I am theologically closer to a conservative Baptist than I am to a liberal Lutheran. Maybe just tag resources as being conservative or liberal.

Howdy, Dr. Menton!

I don't know if you remember me...I used to be the Division Chair for Natural Sciences at Missouri Baptist University back in the '90s. I appeared on a few panels with you on Creationism issues.  Glad to see you here!!  I have no idea how to send IMs on this thing, or I would.

Hope to visit with you soon!

(J. B. Boren)

June Hunt - Southern Baptist. I suspect she is also Arminian because she was mentored by W. A. Criswell who is a southern baptist and Arminian. Plus she attended Southern Methodist University - which would of course be Arminian.

http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/2008/05/june-hunt-plans-46m-complex-in.html/

Hailed by the article as a Southern Baptist feminist.

Hi Andrew, I went out to the Faithife group to update my copies of your files, and every one you posted in the last couple of hours says "my copy is up to date". I don't see how that could be as I have not gone out there in the months since your last update. Did the proper files go out there, or did I do something wrong?

Thanks,

Don

Thanks Andrew, they all uploaded perfectly! Thanks so much for doing this ministry that is so useful to so many!

abondservant said:

June Hunt - Southern Baptist.
http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/2008/05/june-hunt-plans-46m-complex-in.html/

Hailed by the article as a Southern Baptist feminist.

Andrew Baguley said:

  Feel free to come back to me on this, and keep the suggestions coming.  Thanks again.

you forgot to list her as southern baptist.

Jeff Brown said:

In Criswell's message on Predestination he claimed to be a calvinist. You can find it here: http://www.wacriswell.com/sermons/1955/doctrine-of-predestination/

60 years is a long time. Per my history professor who is a Calvinist and friend of Criswell, Criswell is an Arminian.

Andrew Baguley said:

I've added a new collection, called Theology: Liberation, as per the request here: https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/topics/1375.  The rule at the moment is: Author:("Chaves, João B", "De La Torre, Miguel A.", "Fiorenza, Elisabeth Schussler", "Harris, James H.", "Moltmann, Jürgen", "Ruether, Rosemary Ruether", "Trible, Phyllis")

Please let me know any suggestions for amendments or additions.  Remember the authors should be available in Logos, and please provide evidence if possible.

I'm not sure James H. Harris is a liberation theologian himself or just someone writing about it. His bio would lead me to conclude the latter.

I don't know whether everything by Moltmann counts as liberation theology. He was a German Reformed theologian. He is included in lists of liberation theologians for his "own form of liberation theology predicated on the view that God suffers with humanity, while also promising humanity a better future through the hope of the Resurrection, which he has labelled a 'theology of hope'." But he wrote other stuff too that isn't specifically liberation theology, on the trinity, etc. Only someone well versed in his work would be able to separate out the true liberation theology works.

If Logos carried them, several major liberation theologian authors who should be in such a list would be Leonardo Boff, Gustavo Gutiérrez, and Segundo Galilea. There is also a long list at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology#Theologians. I haven't checked the whole list to see if Logos carries other authors on it. I'd question Henri Nouwen being on the list. Though he was certainly influenced by liberation theology, most of what he wrote would not fall in that category. Their list is also missing Segundo Galilea (probably because there is no English Wikipedia page for him, but there is a Spanish one).

Note that the Wikipedia list does not include Elisabeth Schussler Fiorenza, Rosemary Ruether Ruether, or Phyllis Trible. Liberation Theology unqualified generally refers to the Latin American variety. Though feminist theology is a kind of liberation theology, it is usually considered its own separate strand and I would not expect to find those authors in a collection of Liberation Theology.

There are a few other titles I'd add to such a collection, but they are probably not by authors who would be considered liberation theologians themselves, probably merely people writing about liberation theology. They could be added (without including anything else unwanted) by appending OR (Title:liberation AND Title:theology) to your rule. That wouldn't pick up the James H. Harris book (which definitely should be in the collection), but it could be added by title OR ("Preaching Liberation").

Heaney, Sharon E. (2008). Contextual Theology for Latin America: Liberation Themes in Evangelical Perspective. Milton Keynes; Colorado Springs, CO; Hyderabad: Paternoster.

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. (1984). Instruction on Certain Aspects of the “Theology of Liberation” (Libertatis nuntius). Vatican City: Libreria Editrice Vaticana.

Muskus, Eddy José (2002). The Origins and Early Development of Liberation Theology in Latin America: With Particular Reference to Gustavo Gutiérrez. Cumbria; Waynesboro: Paternoster Press.

Hill, Johnny Bernard (2013). Prophetic Rage: A Postcolonial Theology of Liberation. (B. E. Benson, M. E. Berry, & P. G. Heltzel, Eds.). Grand Rapids, MI; Cambridge: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company.

https://www.logos.com/product/7988/preaching-liberation

Andrew Baguley said:

The latest edition of the spreadsheet is: 1263.Denominations and Theology - 03 May 2015.zip

The reference guide is unchanged: 4426.Theology and Denomination Tag Reference.doc

With apologies that this project has slowed down of late, but there are 393 more authors categorised and 460 more authors with countries listed since February.  I'll keep working on the rest when I get time.  Feel free to make suggestions, corrections, etc. and I'll try to add them as soon as I can.  The Faithlife Group (https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/about) is continuing to grow slowly, and I've updated all the collections available there.

I too have been rather busy, I still have about ~500 uncatagorized authors. I'm working on a couple of the other lists we've talked about in the past. Hopefully I'll have something substantial to add to the project soon. Maybe over the summer.

Firstly I don't understand why I have been singled out. Its not my thread, I just happened to be the last person to post in it.

Secondly, I hope the "hot head who demands to have his or her way" line isn't directed at me because if so, it lies in stark contrast to your claim to desire unity.

Thirdly, the point of this thread is not to cause division, rather, its purpose is to help find hand holds whereupon those who are studying can know at a glance what bias the writer is going to have.

Finally, may you be richly blessed by our Lord and Savior.

Lew Worthington said:

Well said, abondservant.

thank you sir!

Also can we tag Bruce Longenecker as Baptist? He teaches at the baptist baylor university. I also guess he's not a calvinist as he's a wheaton graduate. They tend to be arminean to 4 points as I recall. I have at least one title by him in my "uncollected" collection.

I have a title by "Anthony Hoekma" who is dutch reformed, and thus also a calvinist (if we are tracking such things).

http://www.theopedia.com/anthony-hoekema


J. Robertson McQuilken - former president of a number of multi or interdenominational institutions including most recently CIU. He's non-denominational.
http://www.ciu.edu/robertson-mcquilkin

Claude Brown Jr said:

I have learned that for me there is always more truth in the truth than the truth I know.

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James Taylor said:

Andrew Baguley said:

The Faithlife Group (https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/about) is continuing to grow slowly, and I've updated all the collections available there

I forgot if these update in everyone's library automatically or not. Will these updates appear in our copies of the collections or do we have to redownload the collection document?

Go to the Faithlife group Technology/Denomination tags, click on Documents, and you'll see a list of documents new to old. Most if not all are Resource Collections, and they show when they were updated. There are a bunch from 2 days ago when Andrew did them. Click on a title, it opens a new window and should show "Your copy is out of date" with a get update button. Click the get update button and wait for the text to change to your copy is up to date. Then close that window/tab and go to the next title until you hit the older documents or until you open one that already shows your copy is up to date. Your next sync will update these collections in your desktop version.

Don Awalt said:

James Taylor said:

Andrew Baguley said:

The Faithlife Group (https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/about) is continuing to grow slowly, and I've updated all the collections available there

I forgot if these update in everyone's library automatically or not. Will these updates appear in our copies of the collections or do we have to redownload the collection document?

Go to the Faithlife group Technology/Denomination tags, click on Documents, and you'll see a list of documents new to old. Most if not all are Resource Collections, and they show when they were updated. There are a bunch from 2 days ago when Andrew did them. Click on a title, it opens a new window and should show "Your copy is out of date" with a get update button. Click the get update button and wait for the text to change to your copy is up to date. Then close that window/tab and go to the next title until you hit the older documents or until you open one that already shows your copy is up to date. Your next sync will update these collections in your desktop version.

I had a surprising number of these that were out of date. Thanks for the reminder!

I have never seen them update automatically, not sure if there is another way to set that up in the document. How do you get the documents up there, make a private copy? It might only update automatically if the action use is Collaborate, but of course that lets anyone modify it which would lose control over the set...

Here's one more that's still missing:

John D. Castelein - Restoration Movement / Churches of Christ (a denomination generally not well covered on the list yet...)

Another thing - would it make sense to open a request on Logos user voice to integrate this project into the actual Logos application? It might be quite successful.

I did create a User Voice request to include all marketing tags (denomination, language, hierarchy by topic) in the Logos app some time ago, but I think this list here is more precise for denominations than the Logos marketing tags.

MJ,

Your personal Chart is interesting. Do you think Logos can do this with its entire book holdings?  

I noticed that the Baptist denominations don't seem to be included in the Believers Baptism collection? Certainly the SBC should be, and if a baptist denomination holds to infant baptism I'm un-aware of it. That is a baptist distinctive.