Theology/Denomination Tags

In an unrelated thread (http://community.logos.com/forums/p/44253/395169.aspx#395169), there has been some discussion about Logos tagging resources based on the underlying theology and/or denomination. This has proven a controversial topic in the past, but it seems to me that Logos could easily tag resources for us, using little more than the descriptions they use in marketing.

Someone requested that I post examples of a few tagged resources to show what I mean. Rather than do this, I thought I would try to create some rules that might work, although individual resources could also be tagged.

Please try to keep comments on this thread constructive. The rules are only suggestions and I think that they can be greatly improved. Please refrain from arguments about theology, as this is outside of forum rules. Thanks.

Logos Theology/Denomination Tag Suggestions - First Draft

Baptist

Author:(“Boyce, James Petigru”, “Erickson,
Millard”, “Forlines, Leroy”, “Henry, Carl”, “Lightner, Robert”, “McCune,
Rolland”, “Mullins, E. Y.”, “Spurgeon”, “Strong, Augustus Hopkins”) OR
Publisher:(“Baptist”, “B&H”, “Holman”)

Southern Baptist

Author:(“Boyce, James Petigru”, “Mullins, E.Y.”)
OR Publisher:(“B&H”, “Holman”)

Anabaptist

Author:(“Finger, Thomas”) OR Publisher:(”Herald
Press”)

Lutheran

Author:(“Lenski”, “Leupold”, “Luther,
Martin”) OR Publisher:(“Concordia”, “Northwestern Publishing House”)

Wesleyan

Author:(“Clarke, Adam”, “Miley, John”, “Pope,
William Burt”, “Wesley, Charles”, “Wesley, John”) OR Publisher:(“Beacon”, “Wesleyan”)

Reformed

Author:(“Bavinck”, “Berkhof”, “Boice, James
Montgomery”, “Calvin, John”, “Culver, Robert”, “Dabney, Robert Lewis”, “Hendriksen”,
“Hodge, Archibald Alexander”, “Lloyd-Jones, Martyn”, “MacArthur, John”, “Muller,
Richard”, “Murray, Andrew”, “Reymond, Robert”, “Shedd, William”, “Smith, Morton”,
“Sproul”, “Vos, Geerhardus”) OR Publisher:(“Day One”, “Evangelical Press”, “Ligonier”,
“Multnomah”, “Reformation Trust”)

Pentecostal

Publisher:(“L.I.F.E. Bible College”)

Dispensational

Author:(“Chafer, Lewis Sperry”, “Ryrie,
Charles Caldwell”)

Episcopal/Anglican

Author:(“Hall, Francis”, “Stott, John”, “Wright,
N.T.”) OR Publisher:(“SPCK”) OR Abbrev:(“CPC”)

Roman Catholic

Author:(“Armstrong, Dave”, “Balthasar”, “Guarino,
Thomas”, “Hunter, Sylvester Joseph”, “Pohle”, “Ratzinger”) OR Publisher:(“Herder”,
“Ignatius”, “Libreria Editrice Vaticana”, “Liturgical Press”, “The Encyclopedia
Press”, “United States Conference of Catholic Bishops”)

Early Catholic

Author:(“Aquinas”, “Thérèse of Lisieux”, “St.
John of the Cross”) OR Abbrev:(“ACCS”, “ANF”, “NPNF”)

Jewish

Publisher:(“Jewish Publication Society”)

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Comments

Mitchell

I love the idea, it could prove very useful. However, I don't think Logos is interested in getting involved in this because it's potentially controversial, and would add overhead to their publishing processes. Thankfully, the tools are already there (collections) for us to do it ourselves, and I think this is a great project for the community to pick up and put on the Wiki.

DMB

Pretty nifty, Andrew.

OK ... I'll take back EVERYTHING I said.

I DO think the approach you used above is very good. A user can apply the definitions as desired (not forced on them).

I will be keeping your work; if you update, I hope you'll share.

MJ. Smith

Episcopal/Anglican

Author:(“Hall, Francis”, “Stott, John”, “Wright,
N.T.”) OR Publisher:(“SPCK”) OR Abbrev:(“CPC”)

I would change to:

Author:("Alford, Henry",“Hall, Francis”, “Stott, John”, “Wright,
N.T.”) OR Publisher:(“SPCK”) OR Abbrev:(“CPC”)

Roman Catholic

Author:(“Armstrong, Dave”, “Balthasar”, “Guarino,
Thomas”, “Hunter, Sylvester Joseph”, , “Ratzinger”) OR Publisher:(“Herder”,
“Ignatius”, “Libreria Editrice Vaticana”, “Liturgical Press”, “The Encyclopedia
Press”, “United States Conference of Catholic Bishops”)

I would change to:

Author:(“Armstrong, Dave”, “Balthasar”,"Brown, Raymond", "Chesterton, G. K.","Cornelius À Lapide","Green, Barbara",“Guarino,
Thomas”,"Haydock, George", “Hunter, Sylvester Joseph”,"Pilch, John","MacEvilly" , “Ratzinger”) OR Publisher:("George Routledge",“Herder”,
“Ignatius”, “Libreria Editrice Vaticana”, “Liturgical Press”,"Pontifical Biblical Institute", “The Encyclopedia
Press”, “United States Conference of Catholic Bishops”) OR Title:"The Papal"

Early Catholic

Author:(“Aquinas”, “Thérèse of Lisieux”, “St.
John of the Cross”) OR Abbrev:(“ACCS”, “ANF”, “NPNF”)

I don't know where the cutoff is between the two Catholics, but attempting to keep the distinction I would change this to

Author:("Anselm of Canterbury",“Aquinas”,"Bede","Benedict of Nursia","Cyril of Alexandria","Origen","Teresa of Avila","Theodore of Mopsuestia", “Thérèse of Lisieux”, “St.
John of the Cross”) OR Abbrev:(“ACCS”, “ANF”, “NPNF”)

I'd add Restoration Movement:

Author:("Lucado, Max") OR Publisher:("Standard")

That's my first cut at refining. I know I'll have more.

Eric Fary

This looks pretty accurate. It is not exhaustive, but it definitely helps someone wade through all of the books and get an idea of each's corpus. I myself, being Reformed/ Baptist have enjoyed reading the catholic collection. I didn't know who the authors were in that until I did more research. It is good for many reasons, most of all being those that posit a particular stance, are noted for that denomination. Obviously, not totally orthodoxically representative of that particular denomination of faith, but a good indicator.

MJ. Smith

Excluding what I have hidden, this is my library profile. I'm sure it
can be improved in terms of narrowing the "beat's me/I don't
know/unclassified" portion:

Rosie Perera

This is a great start! I think it would make a great wiki page for people to add to.

Lutheran

Author:(“Lenski”, “Leupold”, “Luther,
Martin”) OR Publisher:(“Concordia”, “Northwestern Publishing House”)

I would revise that to pick up a few more titles:

title:lutheran OR subject:lutheran OR author:("H. C. Leupold", "Martin Luther", "Gene Edward Veith") OR publisher:(augsburg, fortress, concordia, "Northwestern Publishing House","Lutheran Publication Society")

Note that you don't have to put quotes around something that is just one word with no spaces in it. And I omitted Lenski, because he gets picked up by the additional Lutheran publishers I listed.

You can also check out the resources Logos has identified as belonging to a particular theological/denominational group. For example,

http://www.logos.com/products/search?Christian+Group=Lutheran

These are the groups they list on the left sidebar of their Products page, if you click More to expand:

Their tagging of resources is by no means complete.

Andrew Baguley

This all looks good and we could spend quite some time honing it between us. My post was to make it look doable, and potentially useful.

However, my basic point is that Logos are willing to label resources for marketing purposes, as Rosie points out, so my request is that they simply add these tags to the actual resources within Logos and create collections based on them, thus saving hundreds or thousands of us creating these collections for ourselves. The question of what to label resources is addressed by someone before resources are marketed, and I'm not suggesting that all resources should necessarily be labelled. I don't think labels should be exclusive, so that a resource can only fall in one category. (They're currently not exclusive when used for marketing purposes.) If Logos did this, then suggestions for additional tags, or mistakes, could be added to the wiki, just as with other suggested changes regarding categorisation (possibly at http://wiki.logos.com/Metadata_correction_proposals or on its own webpage). It is an extra feature, but I think it could be really helpful, and Logos implementing it could save many people having to duplicate the work.

Until they do, it's probably worth keeping suggestions coming.

Thanks for all the constructive comments so far.

Andrew Baguley

As it looks like Logos are unlikely to do this any time soon, I thought I'd have a go at updating the rules. They're still far from perfect, so please keep suggestions/corrections coming. The latest list, largely based on Logos' own labelling for marketing purposes, looks like this:

Baptist

Author:(“Anders, Max”, “Batten, Samuel Zane”, “Boyce, James Petigru”, “Brand, Chad Owen”, “Brisco, Thomas V.”, “Broadus, John Albert”, “Bush, L. Russ”, “Butler, Trent C.”, “Cabal, Ted”, “Cadenhead, Al”, “Caner, Emir”, “Caner, Ergun”, “Chapman, Morris”, “Collinson, Sylvia”, “Copan, Paul”, “Corley, Bruce”, “Cox, Stephen L.”, “Crosby, Thomas”, “Dagg, John L.”, “Dallimore, Arnold”, “Dockery, David S.”, “Draper, James T.”, “Easley, Kendell H.”, “Erickson, Millard”, “Fitts, Leroy”, “Forlines, Leroy”, “Fortner, Don”, “George, Timothy”, “Hankins, David E.”, “Henry, Carl”, “Henry, Jim”, “Hester, Hubert I.”, “Hixson, J. B.”, “Hobbs, Herschel”, “Holmes, Michael W”, “Keathley, Kenneth”, “Larkin, Clarence”, “Lawson, Steven J.”, “Lemke, Steve W.”, “Lightner, Robert”, “Lovejoy, Grant I.”, “MacArthur, John F.”, “MacLaren, Alexander”, “Martin, Albert N.”, “Martin, Steve”, “McBeth, H. Leon”, “McCune, Rolland”, “Mobley, Kendal P.”, “Montgomery, Helen Barrett”, “Mullins, E. Y.”, “Nettles, Tom J.”, “Norman, R. Stanton”, “Olford, Stephen”, “Paschal, H. Franklin”, “Picirilli, Robert E.”, “Piper, John”, “Polhill, John B.”, “Robertson, Archibald T.”, “Sabou, Sorin”, “Schreiner, Thomas R.”, “Sherman, Cecil”, “Spurgeon”, “Staats, Gary”, “Stanley, Charles”, “Strong, Augustus Hopkins”, “Summers, Ray”, “West, Jim”, “Wise, Kurt P.”, “Wright, Shawn D.”, “Wright, Stephen I.”) OR Publisher:(“Baptist”, “B&H”, “Holman”, “Randall House”, “Reformed Baptist Theological Review”, “Roger Williams Heritage Archive”)

Southern Baptist

Author:(“Boyce, James Petigru”, “Brand, Chad Owen”, “Brisco, Thomas V.”, “Broadus, John Albert”, “Bush, L. Russ”, “Cabal, Ted”, “Caner, Emir”, “Caner, Ergun”, “Chapman, Morris”, “Cox, Stephen L.”, “Dockery, David S.”, “Draper, James T.”, “Easley, Kendell H.”, “Fitts, Leroy”, “George, Timothy”, “Hankins, David E.”, “Henry, Jim”, “Hester, Hubert I.”, “Hobbs, Herschel”, “Keathley, Kenneth”, “McBeth, H. Leon”, “Mullins, E.Y.”, “Nettles, Tom J.”, “Norman, R. Stanton”, “Paschal, H. Franklin”, “Robertson, Archibald T.”, “Schreiner, Thomas R.”, “Sherman, Cecil”, “Stanley, Charles”, “Summers, Ray”, “Wise, Kurt P.”, “Wright, Shawn D.”) OR Publisher:(“B&H”, “Holman”)

Anabaptist

Author:(“Finger, Thomas”, “Simons, Menno”) OR Publisher:(”Herald Press”, “Mennonite”)

Lutheran

Author:(“Arand, Charles P.”, “Becker, Matthew L.”, “Bonhoeffer, Dietrich”, “Dorner, Isaak August”, “Engelbrecht, Edward A.”, “Gerhard, Johann”, “Gritsch, Eric W.”, “Hinlicky, Paul R.”, “Jeske, John C.”, “Jungel, Eberhard”, “Kittleson, James M.”, “Kolb, Robert”, “Kysar, Robert”, “Lenski”, “Leupold”, “Luther, Martin”, “Michel, Walter L.”, “Nestingen, James A.”, “Richard, James W.”, “Schramm, Brooks”, “Spener, Philip Jacob”, “Steinmann, Andrew E.”, “Stjerna, Kirsi I.”, “Torvend, Samuel”, “Valentine, Milton”, “Wengert, Timothy J.”) OR Publisher:(“Concordia”, “Northwestern Publishing House”)

Arminian-Wesleyan

Author:(“Abraham, William J.”, “Arminius”, “Beet, J. A.”, “Brower, Kent”, “Carter, Charles W.”, “Clarke, Adam”, “Coleson, Joseph”, “Colon-Emeric, Edgardo A.”, “DeNeff, Steve”,“Drury, Keith”, “Fletcher, John”, “Green, Joel B.”, “Grotius, Hugo”, “Harrison, Nick”, “Hartley, J. E.”, “Hurlbut, J. L.”, “Johnson, Derric”, “Lawson, John”, “Leroy, Matt”, “Lynn, Jack”, “Lyons, George”, “Marshall, I. H.”, “Mellish, Kevin J.”, “McIntosh, Gary L.”, “Miley, John”, “Pope, William Burt”, “Raymond, Miner”, “Rotz, Carol”, “Schmidt, Wayne”, “Shelton, R. L.”, “Summers, Jeremy”, “Terry, M. S.”, “Toler, Stan”, “Watson, David F.”, “Watson, Richard”, “Wesley, Charles”, “Wesley, John”, “Whedon, D. D.”, “Whitesel, Bob”, “Wilson, Earle”, “Wilson, Norman G.”) OR Publisher:(“Beacon”, “Wesleyan”)

Reformed

Author:(“Alexander, Archibald”, “Bannerman, James”, “Barnhouse, Donald Grey”, “Bavinck, Herman”, “Baxter, Richard”, “Beecher, Lyman”, “Beeke, Joel R.”, “Berkhof, Louis”, “Berkouwer, G. C.”, “Bierma, Lyle D.”, “Boettner, Loraine”, “Boice, James Montgomery”, “Bradford, John”, “Brakel, Wilhelmus”, “Breckinridge, Robert J.”, “Brown, John”, “Bullinger, Henry”, “Bunyan, John”, “Calvin, John”, “Chafer, Lewis Sperry”, “Chapell, Bryan”, “Clarkson, David”, “Culver, Robert”, “Dabney, Robert Lewis”, “De Kroon, Marijn”, “Doriani, Daniel M.”, “Duguid, Iain M.”, “Ferguson, Sinclair B.”, “Fields, Paul W.”, “Finlayson, T. Campbell”, “Finney, Charles”, “Flavel, John”, “Gage, Warren A.”, “Gerhart, Emanuel Vogel”, “Good, James I.”, “Hawker, Robert”, “Heck, Sebastian”, “Hegeman, David”, “Hendriksen, William”, “Hodge, Archibald Alexander”, “Hodge, Charles”, “Horne, Mark”, “Horton, Michael S.”, “Hyde, Daniel R.”, “Jackson, L. Charles”, “Jacomb, Thomas”, “Kistemaker, Simon”, “Knox, John”, “Kuyper, Abraham”, “Lawson, Steven J.”, “Lillback, Peter A.”, “Lloyd-Jones, Martyn”, “Maag, Karin”, “MacArthur, John”, “MacPherson, John”, “Manton, Thomas”, “Marshall, Walter”, “Martin, Albert N.”, “Martin, Steve”, “Meyers, Jeffrey”, “Muller, Richard”, “Murray, Andrew”, “Olevianus, Casper”, “Owen, John”, “Packer, J. I.”, “Payne, Jon D.”, “Phillips, Richard D.”, “Pink, A. W.”, “Piper, John”, “Reymond, Robert L.”, “Ridderbos, Herman”, “Ridgley, Thomas”, “Rushdoony, Rousas John”, “Rutherford, Samuel”, “Ryken, Philip Graham”, “Schaff, Philip”, “Scott, J. Julius”, “Shedd, William”, “Smith, Morton”, “Smith, Ralph A.”, “Smyth, Thomas”, “Sproul, R. C.”, “Spurgeon, Charles H.”, “Thomas, Derek W. H.”, “Thornwell, Hames Henley”, “Toplady, Augustus M.”, “Turretin, Francis”, “Usher, James”, “Van Til, Corrnelius”, “Vincent, Marvin”, “Vos, Geerhardus”, “Waltke, Bruce K.”, “Warfield, Benjamin B.”, “Westminster Assembly”, “Wikner, Benjamin K.”, “Wilkins, Steve”, “Witsius, Herman”, “Zwingli”) OR Publisher:(“Day One”, “Evangelical Press”, “Ligonier”, “Multnomah”, “P&R Publishing”, “Reformation Trust”)

Presbyterian

Author:(“Alexander, Archibald”, “Bannerman, James”, “Barnhouse, Donald Grey”, “Beecher, Lyman”, “Boettner, Loraine”, “Boice, James Montgomery”, “Breckinridge, Robert J.”, “Brown, John”, “Chafer, Lewis Sperry”, “Chapell, Bryan”, “Dabney, Robert Lewis”, “Doriani, Daniel M.”, “Duguid, Iain M.”, “Ferguson, Sinclair B.”, “Finney, Charles”, “Flavel, John”, “Gage, Warren A.”, “Heck, Sebastian”, “Hegeman, David”, “Hodge, Archibald Alexander”, “Hodge, Charles”, “Horne, Mark”, “Jackson, L. Charles”, “Knox, John”, “Lillback, Peter A.”, “MacPherson, John”, “Marshall, Walter”, “Meyers, Jeffrey”, “Payne, Jon D.”, “Phillips, Richard D.”, “Reymond, Robert”, “Rutherford, Samuel”, “Ryken, Philip Graham”, “Scott, J. Julius”, “Shedd, William”, “Smith, Morton”, “Smith, Ralph A.”, “Smyth, Thomas”, “Sproul, R. C.”, “Thomas, Derek W. H.”, “Thornwell, Hames Henley”, “Van Til, Corrnelius”, “Vincent, Marvin”, “Vos, Geerhardus”, “Warfield, Benjamin B.”, “Wikner, Benjamin K.”, “Wilkins, Steve”) OR Publisher:(“Ligonier”, “P&R Publishing”, “Presbyterian”, “Reformation Trust”)

Pentecostal

Author:(“Bartel, Leroy”, “Bicket, Zenas”, “Cotton, Roger”, “Duffield, Guy”, “Ford, Johnny”, “Hayford, Jack”, “Hernando, James”, “Horton, Stanley”, “McClaflin, Mike”, “McGee, Gary”, “Moller, F. P.”, “Newberry, Annette”, “Synan, Vinson”, “Taylor, Cheryl”) OR Publisher:(“L.I.F.E. Bible College”)

Dispensational

Author:(“Chafer, Lewis Sperry”, “Ryrie, Charles Caldwell”)

Anglican/Episcopalian

Author:(“Andrewes, Lancelot”, “Avis, Paul”, “Benham, William”, “Blunt, John Henry”, “Bradford, John”, “Bray, Gerald R.”, “Bubbers, Susan I.”, “Bull, George”, “Chapman, Mark”, “Cranmer, Thomas”, “Duncombe, Augustus”, “Faber, G.S.”, “Farrar, Frederic William”, “Fenwick, John”, “Gore, Charles”, “Grant, F. W.”, “Hall, Francis”, “Hatch, Edwin”, “Holmes, Christopher R. J.”, “Hooker, Richard”, “Ketley, Joseph”, “Law, William”, “Liddon, Henry Parry”, “Lightfoot, J. B.”, “McGrath, Alister”, “Members of the University of Oxford”, “Monro, Edward A.”, “Oakley, Nigel”, “Olden, Thomas”, “Packer, J.I.”, “Paley, William”, “Powys, David”, “Pusey, Edward”, “Rawlinson, George”, “Ridley, Nicholas”, “Ryle J. C.”, “Simeon, Charles”, “Stanley, Arthur Penrhyn”, “Stone, Darwell”, “Stott, John”, “Taylor, Jeremy”, “Titley, Robert”, “Toplady, Augustus M.”, “Ward, Robin”, “Wilberforce, William”, “Wright, J. Robert”, “Wright, N.T.”) OR Publisher:(“SPCK”) OR Abbrev:(“CPC”)

Roman Catholic

Author:(“a Lapide, Cornelius”, “Acklin, Thomas”, “Althann, Robert”, “Armstrong, Dave”, “Bachiochi, Erika”, “Bachofen, Charles Augustine”, “Baldini, Ugo”, “Barber, Michael”, “Barron, Robert”, “Bean, Danielle”, “Beckwith, Francis J.”, “Benedict XV”, “Benedict XVI”, “Benedictine Monks”, “Bergant, Dianne”, “Blanchette, Oliva”, “Blenkinsopp, Joseph”, “Bossis, Gabrielle”, “Bransfield, J. Brian”, “Breen, A. E.”, “Brother Lawrence”, “Brown, Raymond Edward”, “Buckley, Theodore Alois”, “Burke, Daniel”, “Burns, Helena R.”, “Butler, Alban”, “Byles, R. D.”, “Byrne, Brendan”, “Carlen, Claudia”, “Cataneo, Pascal”, “Catholic Biblical Association”, “Catholic Church”, “Christmyer, Sarah”, “Coffin, Patrick”, “Collins, Adela Y.”, “Collins, John J.”, “Collins, Raymond F.”, “Congar, Yves”, “Cunningham, Lawrence S.”, “Dahood, Mitchell”, “Dalton, William Jospeh”, “de Caussade, Jean Pierre”, “de Chantal, Jane Frances”, “de Sales, Francis”, “De Vogue, Adalbert”, “Deferrari, Roy J.”, “DeMarco, Donald”, “Denzinger, Henry”, “Dimech-Juchniewicz, Jean”, “Donahue, John R.”, “Dubay, Thomas”, “Emmerich, Anne Catherine”, “Fiore, Benjamin”, “Fiorenza, Francis Schussler”, “Fitzgerald, Allan D.”, “Fitzmyer, Joseph A.”, “Flaherty, Regis J.”, “Franklin, Carmela Vircillo”, “Frisk, M. Jean”, “Fry, Timothy”, “Galvin, John P.”, “Gan, Eugene”, “Giblin, Charles Homer”, “Gigot, F. E. C.”, “Glavich, Mary Kathleen”, “Granados, Carlos”, “Granados, Jose”, “Gray, Philip C. L.”, “Gray, Timothy”, “Grech, Prosper”, “Guarino, Thomas”, “Hahn, Scott”, “Harrington, Daniel J.”, “Harrington, Wilfrid J.”, “Hartin, Patrick J.”, “Haydock, George Leo”, “Healy, Mary”, “Heil, John Paul”, “Hermes, Kathryn J.”, “Herron, Thomas”, “Himes, Kenneth R.”, “Hitchcock, James”, “Hoeck, Andreas”, “Hunter, Sylvester Joseph”, “Hurd, R. Scott”, “Jacques, Xavier”, “John of the Cross”, “John Paul I”, “John Paul II”, “John XXIII”, “Johnson, Lawrence J.”, “Johnson, Luke Timothy”, “Jurgens, William A.”, “Kardong, Terrence G.”, “Karris, Robert J.”, “Keating, Daniel”, “Ker, Ian”, “Knecht, Frederick Justus”, “Kosanke, Charles G.”, “Kreeft, Peter”, “Kurz, William S.”, “Lambrecht, Jan”, “Landon, Edward H.”, “Launderville, Dale”, “Leiva-Merikakis, Erasmo”, “Leo XIII”, “Liesen, Jan”, “Likoudis, James”, “Maas, A. J.”, “MacDonald, Margaret Y.”, “MacEvilly, John”, “Maloney, Francis J.”, “Mann, Horace Kinder”, “Marks, Frederick W.”, “Martin, Curtis”, “Martin, Mary Peter”, “Martin, Michaelann”, “Martinez, Luis Maria”, “Matera, Frank J.”, “Mattison III, William C.”, “May, William E.”, “McCarthy, David Matzko”, “McGovern, James J.”, “McNabb, Vincent”, “McNamara, Martin”, “Meier, John P.”, “Melina, Livio”, “Miletic, Stephen Francis”, “Miller II, Robert D.”, “Mitch, Curtis”, “Mitch, Stacy”, “Mitchell, Alan C.”, “Moloney, Francis J.”, “Montague, George T.”, “Morrow, Thomas G.”, “Newman, John Henry”, “Neyrey, Jerome H.”, “Nichols, Aidan”, “O’Brien, John”, “O’Connor, James T.”, “Orchard, Bernard”, “Ott, Ludwig”, “Panikulam, George”, “Pascal, Blaise”, “Pastor, Ludwig”, “Paul VI”, “Pecknold, C. C.”, “Percy, Anthony”, “Peters, Edward N.”, “Pimentel, Stephen”, “Pius X”, “Pius XI”, “Pius XII”, “Pohle, Joseph”, “Ponessa, Joseph”, “Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite”, “Ratzinger, Joseph”, “Ray, Stephen K.”, “Richard, Earl J.”, “Ryan, Judith M.”, “Sanchez-Navarro, Luis”, “Schillebeecx, Edward”, “Schonborn, Christoph”, “Schroeder, H. J.”, “Schindler, David L.”, “Schreck, Alan”, “Senior, Donald”, “Shea, John Gilmary”, “Sievers, Joseph”, “Sirois, Celia”, “Sloyan, Gerard S.”, “Sofie, J. Francis”, “Somers, Gayle”, “Spicq, Ceslas”, “Spruit, Leen”, “Sri, Edward”, “St. Alphonsus Liguori”, “St. Cyril of Alexandria”, “St. Ignatius of Loyola”, “St. Lawrence of Brindisi”, “St. Peter Canisius”, “St. Robert Bellarmine”, “Stanley, David Michael”, “Stegman, Thomas D.”, “Stravinskas, Peter M. J.”, “Sullivan, John F.”, “Suprenant, Leon J.”, “Teresa of Avila”, “The Daughters of St. Paul”, “Thein, John”, “Thérèse of Lisieux”, “Turner, James”, “Tylenda, Joseph N.”, “University of Navarre”, “von Balthasar, Hans Urs”, “von Hefele, Charles Joseph”, “von Hildebrand, Dietrich”, “Waldstein, Michael”, “Wehner, James A.”, “Weinandy, Thomas G.”, “West, Christopher”, “Whitehead, Kenneth D.”, “Williamson, Peter S.”, “Woywod, Stanislaus”, “Yocum, John P.”, “Zeno, Katrina J.”) OR Publisher:(“Benziger Brothers”, “Editrice Pontificio Istituto Biblico”, “Emmaus Road Publishing”, “Herder”, “Ignatius”, “Libreria Editrice Vaticana”, “Liturgical Press”, “Pauline Books & Media”, “Pontifical Biblical Institute”, “The Catholic Publication Society”, “The Encyclopedia Press”, “United States Conference of Catholic Bishops”)

Pre-Reformation

Author:(“Abelard, Peter”, “Aquinas”, “Augustine of Hippo”, “Bede”, “Boethius”, “Catherine of Siena”, “Eusebius”, “Heloise”, “Hippolytus”, “Hugh of St. Victor”, “Isidore of Seville”, “Jacques de Vitry”, “John Chrysostom”, “Melito of Sardis”, “Origen”, “Richard Rolle”, “St. Albert the Great”, “St. Anselm of Canterbury”, “St. Anthony of Padua and Lisbon”, “St. Basil the Great”, “St. Benedict of Nursia”, “St. Bernard of Clairvaux”, “St. Bonaventure”, “St. Catherine of Siena”, “St. Cyprian of Carthage”, “St. Cyril of Jerusalem”, “St. Francis Assisi”, “St. Gregory of Nyssa”, “St. Gregory the Great”, “St. Jerome”, “St. John Chrysostom”, “St. John Damascene”, “Tertullian”, “Thomas à Kempis”) OR Abbrev:(“ACCS”, “ANF”, “NPNF”)

Jewish

Publisher:(“Jewish Publication Society”)

Plymouth Brethren

Author:(“C. H. Mackintosh”)

Seventh-day Adventist

Author:(“Anderson, Bruce”, “Fayard, Carlos”, “Harding IV, George T.”, “Hernandez, Barbara Couden”, “Knight, George R.”, “LaRondelle, Hans K.”, “Rice, Richard”, “Smith, Uriah”) OR Publisher:(“Andrews University Press”, “Review and Herald Publishing Association”, “Seventh-day Adventist Publishing Association”)

Orthodox

Author:(“Clendenin, Daniel B”) OR Publisher:(“St. Vladimir's Seminary Press”)

Fundamentalist

Author:(“Butler John G.”, “Custer, Stewart”, “Gaebelein, Arno”, “Ironside, H. A.”, “Pink, Arthur Walkington”, “Steveson, Peter A.”, “Torrey, R. A.”, “Trumbull, Henry Clay”)

Puritan

Author:(“Baxter, Richard”, “Beeke, Joel R.”, “Brook, Benjamin”, “Brooks, Thomas”, “Bunyan, John”, “Charnock, Stephen”, “Edwards, Jonathan”, “Flavel, John”, “Goodwin, Thomas”, “Hopkins, Ezekiel”, “Howe, John”, “Jacomb, Thomas”, “Manton, Thomas”, “Neal, Daniel”, “Owen, John”, “Packer, J. I.”, “Ridgley, Thomas”, “Scougal, Henry”, “Scudder, Henry”, “Sibbes, Richard”, “Swinnock, George”, “Traill, Robert”, “Ussher, James”) OR Publisher:(“Richard Owen Roberts”)

Gerald Kapanka

Thank you for all the work you did in putting this together for us.

Mike Childs

This is all very helpful. Thanks everyone for sharing ideas.

Rosie Perera

Andrew, thank you so much for doing this. Very helpful indeed!

Since you are continuing to hone these rules, some feedback...

First, you acknowledged my suggestion in this post but then didn't incorporate my suggested changes to pick up more Lutheran titles.

Also, some suggested improvements to your Anabaptist rule because it misses some books that I have in my library and that are tagged Anabaptist by Logos on their website.

Anabaptist

Author:(“Finger, Thomas”, “Simons, Menno”) OR Publisher:(”Herald Press”, “Mennonite”)

Additions marked in bold, and "Anabaptis" isn't a typo! (See below.)

Author:(“Finger, Thomas”, “Simons, Menno”) OR Publisher:(”Herald Press”, “Mennonite”) OR Title:(Anabaptis, Mennonite)

That will pick up these additional titles that didn't match your rule:

It's quicker doing it that way than listing every author individually, though you could if you prefer as all those authors have only one book each in Logos (thus far) so it won't pick up unwanted ones.

And I'll repeat and elaborate on my comment from the previous post: I wrote, "Note that you don't have to put quotes around something that is just one word with no spaces in it." Actually, if you want that word to match other words forms (e.g., Mennonite or Mennonites; Anabaptist, Anabaptism, Anabaptists) you must not put quotes around it. Hence my inclusion of only the partial word Anabaptis and no quotes, so it will match all three.

MJ. Smith

Roman Catholic

Author:(“a Lapide, Cornelius”, “Acklin, Thomas”, “Althann, Robert”, “Armstrong, Dave”, “Bachiochi, Erika”, “Bachofen, Charles Augustine”, “Baldini, Ugo”, “Barber, Michael”, “Barron, Robert”, “Bean, Danielle”, “Beckwith, Francis J.”, “Benedict XV”, “Benedict XVI”, “Benedictine Monks”, “Bergant, Dianne”, “Blanchette, Oliva”, “Blenkinsopp, Joseph”, “Bossis, Gabrielle”, “Bransfield, J. Brian”, “Breen, A. E.”, “Brother Lawrence”, “Brown, Raymond Edward”, “Buckley, Theodore Alois”, “Burke, Daniel”, “Burns, Helena R.”, “Butler, Alban”, “Byles, R. D.”, “Byrne, Brendan”, “Carlen, Claudia”, “Cataneo, Pascal”, “Catholic Biblical Association”, “Catholic Church”, “Christmyer, Sarah”, “Coffin, Patrick”, “Collins, Adela Y.”, “Collins, John J.”, “Collins, Raymond F.”, “Congar, Yves”, “Cunningham, Lawrence S.”, “Dahood, Mitchell”, “Dalton, William Jospeh”, “de Caussade, Jean Pierre”, “de Chantal, Jane Frances”, “de Sales, Francis”, “De Vogue, Adalbert”, “Deferrari, Roy J.”, “DeMarco, Donald”, “Denzinger, Henry”, “Dimech-Juchniewicz, Jean”, “Donahue, John R.”, “Dubay, Thomas”, “Emmerich, Anne Catherine”, “Fiore, Benjamin”, “Fiorenza, Francis Schussler”, “Fitzgerald, Allan D.”, “Fitzmyer, Joseph A.”, “Flaherty, Regis J.”, “Franklin, Carmela Vircillo”, “Frisk, M. Jean”, “Fry, Timothy”, “Galvin, John P.”, “Gan, Eugene”, “Giblin, Charles Homer”, “Gigot, F. E. C.”, “Glavich, Mary Kathleen”, “Granados, Carlos”, “Granados, Jose”, “Gray, Philip C. L.”, “Gray, Timothy”, “Grech, Prosper”, “Guarino, Thomas”, “Hahn, Scott”, “Harrington, Daniel J.”, “Harrington, Wilfrid J.”, “Hartin, Patrick J.”, “Haydock, George Leo”, “Healy, Mary”, “Heil, John Paul”, “Hermes, Kathryn J.”, “Herron, Thomas”, “Himes, Kenneth R.”, “Hitchcock, James”, “Hoeck, Andreas”, “Hunter, Sylvester Joseph”, “Hurd, R. Scott”, “Jacques, Xavier”, “John of the Cross”, “John Paul I”, “John Paul II”, “John XXIII”, “Johnson, Lawrence J.”, “Johnson, Luke Timothy”, “Jurgens, William A.”, “Kardong, Terrence G.”, “Karris, Robert J.”, “Keating, Daniel”, “Ker, Ian”, “Knecht, Frederick Justus”, “Kosanke, Charles G.”, “Kreeft, Peter”, “Kurz, William S.”, “Lambrecht, Jan”, “Landon, Edward H.”, “Launderville, Dale”, “Leiva-Merikakis, Erasmo”, “Leo XIII”, “Liesen, Jan”, “Likoudis, James”, “Maas, A. J.”, “MacDonald, Margaret Y.”, “MacEvilly, John”, “Maloney, Francis J.”, “Mann, Horace Kinder”, “Marks, Frederick W.”, “Martin, Curtis”, “Martin, Mary Peter”, “Martin, Michaelann”, “Martinez, Luis Maria”, “Matera, Frank J.”, “Mattison III, William C.”, “May, William E.”, “McCarthy, David Matzko”, “McGovern, James J.”, “McNabb, Vincent”, “McNamara, Martin”, “Meier, John P.”, “Melina, Livio”, “Miletic, Stephen Francis”, “Miller II, Robert D.”, “Mitch, Curtis”, “Mitch, Stacy”, “Mitchell, Alan C.”, “Moloney, Francis J.”, “Montague, George T.”, “Morrow, Thomas G.”, “Newman, John Henry”, “Neyrey, Jerome H.”, “Nichols, Aidan”, “O’Brien, John”, “O’Connor, James T.”, “Orchard, Bernard”, “Ott, Ludwig”, “Panikulam, George”, “Pascal, Blaise”, “Pastor, Ludwig”, “Paul VI”, “Pecknold, C. C.”, “Percy, Anthony”, “Peters, Edward N.”, “Pimentel, Stephen”, “Pius X”, “Pius XI”, “Pius XII”, “Pohle, Joseph”, “Ponessa, Joseph”, “Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite”, “Ratzinger, Joseph”, “Ray, Stephen K.”, “Richard, Earl J.”, “Ryan, Judith M.”, “Sanchez-Navarro, Luis”, “Schillebeecx, Edward”, “Schonborn, Christoph”, “Schroeder, H. J.”, “Schindler, David L.”, “Schreck, Alan”, “Senior, Donald”, “Shea, John Gilmary”, “Sievers, Joseph”, “Sirois, Celia”, “Sloyan, Gerard S.”, “Sofie, J. Francis”, “Somers, Gayle”, “Spicq, Ceslas”, “Spruit, Leen”, “Sri, Edward”, “St. Alphonsus Liguori”, “St. Cyril of Alexandria”, “St. Ignatius of Loyola”, “St. Lawrence of Brindisi”, “St. Peter Canisius”, “St. Robert Bellarmine”, “Stanley, David Michael”, “Stegman, Thomas D.”, “Stravinskas, Peter M. J.”, “Sullivan, John F.”, “Suprenant, Leon J.”, “Teresa of Avila”, “The Daughters of St. Paul”, “Thein, John”, “Thérèse of Lisieux”, “Turner, James”, “Tylenda, Joseph N.”, “University of Navarre”, “von Balthasar, Hans Urs”, “von Hefele, Charles Joseph”, “von Hildebrand, Dietrich”, “Waldstein, Michael”, “Wehner, James A.”, “Weinandy, Thomas G.”, “West, Christopher”, “Whitehead, Kenneth D.”, “Williamson, Peter S.”, “Woywod, Stanislaus”, “Yocum, John P.”, “Zeno, Katrina J.”) OR Publisher:(“Benziger Brothers”, “Editrice Pontificio Istituto Biblico”, “Emmaus Road Publishing”, “Herder”, “Ignatius”, “Libreria Editrice Vaticana”, “Liturgical Press”, “Pauline Books & Media”, “Pontifical Biblical Institute”, “The Catholic Publication Society”, “The Encyclopedia Press”, “United States Conference of Catholic Bishops”)

I had to remove the "St." as a prefix to get this selection to work.

albert cox

I think that logos is not aware of the material they put up for com. pricing.They just offer products and people are the ones that control what is offered.

MJ. Smith

reported as spam

MJ. Smith

I've finally gotten my unclassified segment down to < 1/3. The group within the black arc are the ACELO churches whose resources I have sought out.

The additional changes I made to the suggestions above:

Pre-reformation add:
Saint Patrick
Andrew of Crete
Dante Alighieri
Hugh of Saint Victor*
Pachomius
Francis of Assisi*

Catholic add:
Cornelius a Lapide *
Desiderius Eramus

Anglican/Episcopalean add:
Myles Coverdale
Paul F. Bradshaw
H. D. M. Spence
Henry Barclay Swete
John Newton

Evangelical add:
Tokunbon Adeyemo
Spiros Zodhiates
Barbour
Christianity Today
Crossway
The Gospel Coalition
IVP
Kregel
Moody

Presbyterian add:
Joseph Addison Alexander
Hans Dieter Betz
Alfred Edersheim

Wesleyian
Ben Witherington III
David A. deSilva

Jewish add:
Flavius Josephus
Philo of Alexandria
Marvin A, Sweeney

Orthodox add:
Sebastian P. Brock
Gorgias Press

Lutheran add:
Rudolf Bultmann
Adolf von Harnack

those with a star existed in the lists but not in all forms required to pick up as authors. There are a number of German scholars I believe to be Lutheran but have yet to verify beyond "Protestant",

Eleanor Emmott

I've finally gotten my unclassified segment down to < 1/3.

M.J. - how did you generate this chart?

Andrew Baguley

The additional changes I made to the suggestions above:

Thanks for all the suggestions/corrections. I've changed most of them on my own lists, which I'll publish in full again here after a few more changes. I did have a few queries though.

Andrew of Crete - I only found him mentioned in one resource, History of the Holy Eastern Church (6 vols), a pre-pub that does not actually list him as the author. I'm not against adding him to the list, but I wasn't sure if he would be listed as an author within the Logos resource.

Ben Witherington - Witherington describes himself as a cradle Methodist, but writes critically about the Weslyan tradition (e.g. The Problem with Evangelical Theology: Testing the Exegetical Foundations of Calvinism, Dispensationalism, and Wesleyanism), so I wasn't sure about including him. Does he still self-identify as Wesleyan?

Sebastian P. Brock - While Brock is clearly an expert in Syriac studies and has been awarded the Medal of Saint Ephrem the Syrian by the Syriac Orthodox Patriarch, I wasn't sure that he was definitely writing from within the Orthodox tradition. I'm trying to stick to people who self-identify within a tradition, rather than people who write about them. Are you sure that Brock writes from within the tradition?

Gorgias Press - This publisher claims to be independent and publishes books about a number of traditions, including Orthodoxy (http://www.gorgiaspress.com/bookshop/t-about.aspx). I wasn't sure they published books from within an Orthodox tradition.

It would be great if you could address these.

Thanks again.

Rich Tatum (Logos)

Hi, everybody! I thought I'd jump in momentarily to introduce myself. I'm a new hire at Logos and one of my current "hats" is to develop a product for our Pentecostal/Charismatic readers. A coworker of mine who started on the same day is doing the same for the Orthodox market and there are others who will be — or already are — doing the same for Seventh Day Adventists, Catholics, Anglicans, and so on.

As the earlier discussion aleady indicated, it is a huge squishy problem to create a tagging taxonomy that accurately and usefully exposes theological or denominational persuasion. The chief problem is the "squishiness" of the subject matter: Neither the authors, the books, nor the denominations enjoy clearly delineated lines and boundaries leading to a nice, hierarchical classification scheme. For example, what do you do with an author whose early work is non-Pentecostal, but whose later work is Pro-Pentecostal? Or what about an author who's clearly self-identified as Pentecostal, but their literary work stands apart from any denominational theological bias? Further, once we start getting way from the overarching, generic, labels, distinctions break down. It's pretty straightforward to identify a "continuationist," or "renewalist" author or resource (as opposed to "Cessationist" or "other"—everything else), but then we start asking, "What kind continuationist?" Pentecostal? Charismatic? Third Wave? Vineyard? Neocharismatic? Reformed Pentecostal? Finally, there are resources of interest to a theological persuasion, but not of that denomination — leading to plenty of category confusion. And publishers? Let's not even get started there…

All that to say this, it's a difficult problem and one that is certainly on the minds of many here, from marketing all the way over to text development and software development. If I could accurately predict what solution will be put into place I'd share it with you, but I don't know yet.

Meanwhile, here's an example of what I've been doing the past couple of weeks., I've been poring over our catalog of more than 31,000 items, trying to identify any resource that would be of interest to our Pentecostal/Charismatic readers. Since you guys have been unselfishly sharing your lists with each other, I thought I'd share my list of about 140 authors with you. Please feel free to adapt and adopt if you wish, but be careful. Some authors have their names spelled differently on various items in our catalog (See: Möller vs. Moller, for example).

The List:

Neil T. Anderson, Heidi Baker, Rolland Baker, LeRoy Bartel, Mark Batterson, Dennis Bennett, Rita Bennett, Lisa Bevere, Zenas Bicket, Craig L. Blomberg, F. F. Bosworth, Edward M. Bounds, Michael L. Brown, Mark Bubeck, Lewis Sperry Chafer, Francis Chan, Lawrence J. Chesnut, David Yonggi Cho, Larry Christenson, Michael Clarensau, Randy Clark, Nathaniel M. Van Cleave, Wayne Cordeiro, Judson Cornwall, Roger Douglas Cotton, Nicky Cruz, Carol Cymbala, Jim Cymbala, Jack Deere, Richard Dresselhaus, Mark Driscoll, Guy Duffield, Dick Eastman, Scott Ellington, Tony Evans, Richard Exley, Gordon D. Fee, Charles G. Finney, Johnny Ford, Robert M. Fowler, Francis Frangipane, Sandie Freed, Carl Gibbs, Louie Giglio, James W. Goll, Wayde I. Goodall, J. Lee Grady, Rebecca Merrill Groothuis, Diana Hagee, John Hagee, Ian R. Hall, Samuel G. Hardman, Jack W. Hayford, Henry C. Heffren, Greg Heisler, Skip Heitzig, James Hernando, Marilyn Hickey, Roy H. Hicks, Benny Hinn, Stanley M. Horton, Ju Hur, Randy Hurst, Ronald A. Iwasko, T. D. Jakes, Bill Johnson, Rick Joyner, Veli-Matti Kärkkäinen, Larry Keefauver, Craig S. Keener, R. T. Kendall, Michael J. Klassen, J. Stephen Lang, William F. Lasley, Greg Laurie, Julia Loren, Wonsuk Ma, Frank D. Macchia, Francis MacNutt, Mike McClaflin, Gary McGee, Quentin McGhee, Ron McManus, Robert P. Menzies, William W. Menzies, Joyce Meyer, Emily A. Mockovciak, F. P. Möller, Dwight Lyman Moody, Rickie D. Moore, George Müller, Andrew Murray, Charles W. Naylor, Arlo F. Newell, Doug Oss, Eugene H. Peterson, Ron Phillips, Chuck D. Pierce, Chuck Pierce, Derek Prince, T. Ray Rachels, Leonard Ravenhill, D. E. Reed, Benjamin F. Reid, Charles R. Ringma, Dana Roberts, Pat Robertson, Edmund J. Rybarczyk, John Loren Sandford, R. Loren Sandford, Dutch Sheets, Quin Sherrer, Alice Smith, F. G. Smith, James K. A. Smith, Sam Storms, Frances Swaggart, Jimmy Swaggart, Vinson Synan, Cheryl Taylor, Tommy Tenney, John Christopher Thomas, R. A. Torrey, A. W. Tozer, Graham H. Twelftree, Merrill Frederick Unger, Kris Vallotton, Miroslav Volf, Adrian Warnock, Cecil M. Washington, Matthias Wenk, Barbara Wentroble, John Wesley, David Wilkerson, Bruce Wilkinson, Ben Witherington III, George O. Wood, Edward Woods, Amos Yong.

Bruce Dunning

Meanwhile, here's an example of what I've been doing the past couple of weeks., I've been poring over our catalog of more than 31,000 items, trying to identify any resource that would be of interest to our Pentecostal/Charismatic readers. Since you guys have been unselfishly sharing your lists with each other, I thought I'd share my list of about 140 authors with you. Please feel free to adapt and adopt if you wish, but be careful. Some authors have their names spelled differently on various items in our catalog (See: Möller vs. Moller, for example).

The List:

Neil T. Anderson, Heidi Baker, Rolland Baker, LeRoy Bartel, Mark Batterson, Dennis Bennett, Rita Bennett, Lisa Bevere, Zenas Bicket, Craig L. Blomberg, F. F. Bosworth, Edward M. Bounds, Michael L. Brown, Mark Bubeck, Lewis Sperry Chafer, Francis Chan, Lawrence J. Chesnut, David Yonggi Cho, Larry Christenson, Michael Clarensau, Randy Clark, Nathaniel M. Van Cleave, Wayne Cordeiro, Judson Cornwall, Roger Douglas Cotton, Nicky Cruz, Carol Cymbala, Jim Cymbala, Jack Deere, Richard Dresselhaus, Mark Driscoll, Guy Duffield, Dick Eastman, Scott Ellington, Tony Evans, Richard Exley, Gordon D. Fee, Charles G. Finney, Johnny Ford, Robert M. Fowler, Francis Frangipane, Sandie Freed, Carl Gibbs, Louie Giglio, James W. Goll, Wayde I. Goodall, J. Lee Grady, Rebecca Merrill Groothuis, Diana Hagee, John Hagee, Ian R. Hall, Samuel G. Hardman, Jack W. Hayford, Henry C. Heffren, Greg Heisler, Skip Heitzig, James Hernando, Marilyn Hickey, Roy H. Hicks, Benny Hinn, Stanley M. Horton, Ju Hur, Randy Hurst, Ronald A. Iwasko, T. D. Jakes, Bill Johnson, Rick Joyner, Veli-Matti Kärkkäinen, Larry Keefauver, Craig S. Keener, R. T. Kendall, Michael J. Klassen, J. Stephen Lang, William F. Lasley, Greg Laurie, Julia Loren, Wonsuk Ma, Frank D. Macchia, Francis MacNutt, Mike McClaflin, Gary McGee, Quentin McGhee, Ron McManus, Robert P. Menzies, William W. Menzies, Joyce Meyer, Emily A. Mockovciak, F. P. Möller, Dwight Lyman Moody, Rickie D. Moore, George Müller, Andrew Murray, Charles W. Naylor, Arlo F. Newell, Doug Oss, Eugene H. Peterson, Ron Phillips, Chuck D. Pierce, Chuck Pierce, Derek Prince, T. Ray Rachels, Leonard Ravenhill, D. E. Reed, Benjamin F. Reid, Charles R. Ringma, Dana Roberts, Pat Robertson, Edmund J. Rybarczyk, John Loren Sandford, R. Loren Sandford, Dutch Sheets, Quin Sherrer, Alice Smith, F. G. Smith, James K. A. Smith, Sam Storms, Frances Swaggart, Jimmy Swaggart, Vinson Synan, Cheryl Taylor, Tommy Tenney, John Christopher Thomas, R. A. Torrey, A. W. Tozer, Graham H. Twelftree, Merrill Frederick Unger, Kris Vallotton, Miroslav Volf, Adrian Warnock, Cecil M. Washington, Matthias Wenk, Barbara Wentroble, John Wesley, David Wilkerson, Bruce Wilkinson, Ben Witherington III, George O. Wood, Edward Woods, Amos Yong.

Welcome to the forums Rich. I look forward to seeing more posts in the future. Thanks for sharing this interesting list. I can't imagine this list was totally subjective. Do you mind sharing what criteria you used to compose it?

Lynden O. Williams

there are others who will be — or already are — doing the same for Seventh Day Adventists, Catholics, Anglicans, and so on.

Welcome 120,633 [:D] Glad to hear that Logos is looking at expanding their resources for lesser known faiths such as mine. Waiting to meet the Product Development Manager to make my suggestions. If you could ask them to contact me (if the individual has already been hired)or give me an email address.

I am grateful for the resources recently placed on pre-pub from Andrews University Seminary Press. Looking for more to come.

Dan

one obvious omission is John Wimber. Another is C. Peter Wagner.

Rich Tatum (Logos)

Hi, Bruce, thanks for the welcome!

Of course, any list made by any individual is inherently subjective, and my bias tends toward preferential treatment of scholars and academics, particularly Pentecostal scholars (Menzies, Fee, Synan, etc.) — not because I think they're the only right ones, but because they're names I recognize from my own Bible college and seminary education. Having read them, I recognize them, and therefore tend to trust them.

But, my biases might really only come in to play when looking for authors I want to investigate acquiring material from, not identifying what's actually in our library. As far as I'm concerned, if we own product by a self-identified Pentecostal or Charismatic author, we should tag it such and add it to an appropriate collection. (If I'm missing any, please let me know!) Also, any product of particular relevance to Pentecostals and Charismatics should be included (for example , Boyce W. Blackwelder's contra-glossolalia book in our library, Thirty Errors of Modern Tongues Advocates). However, I assure you that I've worked especially hard at uncovering and adding to my list even those authors who write outside my theological comfort zone (with apologies to fans of Hinn, Hagin, Hagee and such).

So, while some of those authors may not be in our library yet, I have compiled a list of the top 500 best-selling CBA authors who write to the Pentecostal/Charismatic audience (I got the list from ECPA/Bowker, an independent third-party). After compiling the list of actual Logos authors, I also included anybody who was in the top 100 CBA list, and cherry-picked recognizable names from the remainder.

As a result, I now have a list of 318 authors; 139 of those authors already have at least one product in our library of interest to the P/C folks, and 179 do not yet have any product in our library. That'll be my guide for acquiring new content. Hopefully, the top-selling authors will easily make it through community pricing and prepub due to their popularity and help make this project more visible and even more viable.

And, yes, John Wimber is on my list of authors to investigate acquiring content from. I also want to see what we can do with books from the following, who are among the top authors on my list: Michael Youssef, Kenneth E. Hagin, Joel Osteen, Germaine Copeland, Bill Wiese, Myles Munroe, Joseph Prince, Charles Capps, Cindy Trimm, Jentezen Franklin, John Bevere. None of those authors have product in our library, yet, but I'm hoping that won't remain the case for very long

Thanks for the question!

Rich

Rich Tatum (Logos)

Hi, Dan, both Wimber and Wagner are on my list of authors to pursue acquiring.

Regards,

Rich

Rich Tatum (Logos)

Hi, Lynden! I do believe we've hired the new SDA product manager, but he hasn't started work in the office yet. I believe that Martin Weber will begin working here on May 13. Give him a week or two to get settled in an oriented, and then we'll throw him in the deep end. I'll set up a calendar reminder to have him check out this thread around that time.

Rich

MJ. Smith

I do believe we've hired the new SDA product manager,

Given Gabe's range of responsibilities, I hope the new hire is responsible for more than SDA products. Equity in the workplace and all.[H]

Lynden O. Williams

Hi, Lynden! I do believe we've hired the new SDA product manager, but he hasn't started work in the office yet. I believe that Martin Weber will begin working here on May 13. Give him a week or two to get settled in an oriented, and then we'll throw him in the deep end. I'll set up a calendar reminder to have him check out this thread around that time.

Rich

Clicking my heels and dancing a jig. [^]

Dan

And, yes, John Wimber is on my list of authors to investigate acquiring content from. I also want to see what we can do with books from the following, who are among the top authors on my list: Michael Youssef, Kenneth E. Hagin, Joel Osteen, Germaine Copeland, Bill Wiese, Myles Munroe, Joseph Prince, Charles Capps, Cindy Trimm, Jentezen Franklin, John Bevere. None of those authors have product in our library, yet, but I'm hoping that won't remain the case for very long

Vyrso already has a few books by Wimber, Wagner, Franklin, and Bevere.

David A. Peterson

I'd add Restoration Movement:

Author:("Lucado, Max") OR Publisher:("Standard")

Author:("Lucado, Max","Cottrell, Jack") OR Publisher:("Standard","College Press")

Andrew Baguley

I'd add Restoration Movement:

Author:("Lucado, Max") OR Publisher:("Standard")

Author:("Lucado, Max","Cottrell, Jack") OR Publisher:("Standard","College Press")

Thanks, David. The latest list includes these. Please let me know if the collection on the Faithlife group or the spreadsheet does not match:

Author:("Baker, William R", "Bland, Dave L.", "Boring, M. Eugene", "Briley, Terry", "Cottrell, Jack", "Fredenburg, Brandon L.", "Gorman, Frank H.", "Hahlen, Mark A.", "Ham, Clay Alan", "Janzen, J. Gerald", "Kissling, Paul J.", "Lucado, Max", "McGarvey, John William", "Osiek, Carolyn", "Perdue, Leo G.", "Shank, Harold", "Willis, Timothy M.") OR Publisher:("College Press", "Standard")

Everett Headley

I've been wanting to do this to my library for awhile now. Is there a step by step or some help listed somewhere already about how to put these into my library?

Fasil

[Y] very helpful! I benefited alot!

Bill Fiess

I can't find the DOCUMENTS tab [referred to in the recent Logos Blog] to add these tags to my Logos library.

Jack Caviness

I can't find the DOCUMENTS tab [referred to in the recent Logos Blog] to add these tags to my Logos library.

You need to join the group before the Documents tab will appear.

abondservant

I added Author:"Mohler, R. Albert, Jr."

To "Reformed Baptist" which currently has no rules designed to pick up anyone. This should be obvious, he's president of one of the six SBC seminaries, and also pastor of an SBC church. President of the reformed sbc seminary no less .

Edit:

Under Southern Baptist (which is the denomination, convention is simply where we set our direction)
We should have thabiti anyabwile - who is pastor of FBC Grand Cayman, a member of the Southern Baptist denomination. He is also a Reformed (southern) Baptist. I know this because he preaches at my seminary all the time, because his church is a member of an association that is part of the Southern Baptist Denomination. Clicking the link above takes you to their missions page where they briefly mention their association, and provide a broken link to the assoc page. Googling the assoc turned up the detail that its a part of the IMB, which is of course our missions organization.

Edit:
The author Kevin DeYoung should be listed as Reformed Church in America, which is a denomination we don't have listed yet. In my library all he's written are a few journal articles... But he has more than a few books out there.

Edit: Tullian Tchividjian seems to not be associated with Presbyterianism in the tags. He's pastor of Coral Ridge Presbyterian in Coral Gables Fl, and is also reformed.

Last edit for tonight. I checked my un-collected which in essense is my entire library minus perseus, and anything edition:user, and minus all of the theology, denomination, and denom stream collections at the faith life group. This left over a thousand titles in my 5k title library that are not tagged, so we still have a little bit of work to do.

Including a few screen shots here - some of them are not going to be categorizeable I think, and others like Christianity Today may well end up just being evangelical (despite having been founded by Carl F. H. Henry - the Northern Baptist).

Once we get these guys done, I'll post more. But for tonight I am definitely done. 3:20am - yuck.

Judy Dickson

Thank you all so very much for this project! This will be very helpful to me :-)

Andrew Baguley

I added Author:"Mohler, R. Albert, Jr."

To "Reformed Baptist" which currently has no rules designed to pick up anyone. This should be obvious, he's president of one of the six SBC seminaries, and also pastor of an SBC church. President of the reformed sbc seminary no less .

Edit:

Under Southern Baptist (which is the denomination, convention is simply where we set our direction)
We should have thabiti anyabwile - who is pastor of FBC Grand Cayman, a member of the Southern Baptist denomination. He is also a Reformed (southern) Baptist. I know this because he preaches at my seminary all the time, because his church is a member of an association that is part of the Southern Baptist Denomination. Clicking the link above takes you to their missions page where they briefly mention their association, and provide a broken link to the assoc page. Googling the assoc turned up the detail that its a part of the IMB, which is of course our missions organization.

Edit:
The author Kevin DeYoung should be listed as Reformed Church in America, which is a denomination we don't have listed yet. In my library all he's written are a few journal articles... But he has more than a few books out there.

Edit: Tullian Tchividjian seems to not be associated with Presbyterianism in the tags. He's pastor of Coral Ridge Presbyterian in Coral Gables Fl, and is also reformed.
...

These should all be there now. I haven't created a collection for Reformed Church in America, as there are only two authors so far in this denomination. The spreadsheet has the rule in it and includes all the denominations so far associated with authors.

I added Theology: Reformed to Mohler, which should mean he automatically appears in Reformed Baptist, as he was already Baptist. There should be no need to add individuals to the rules for Reformed baptist, but it does need the collections Full Library, Theology: Not Reformed and Theology: Not Baptist to work.

Charles T Wesco

How did you get your library to give you the above pie chart? I have pulled in all the collections that have come out of this blog, and want to see the breakdown in my library.

MJ. Smith

I don't know about others but I'd find it useful to have the Anglican/Church of England divided into categories such as Oxford Movement, Evangelical school etc. Others would know more about this but if we divide Catholics by religious order, this seems like a logical extension.

Andrew Baguley

How did you get your library to give you the above pie chart? I have pulled in all the collections that have come out of this blog, and want to see the breakdown in my library.

Sadly, there's no automatic way to generate a pie chart. As far as I'm aware, MJ just used the figures Logos gave her and entered them in an Excel spreadsheet, which creates pie charts using a wizard.

Peter_G

Excluding what I have hidden, this is my library profile. I'm sure it can be improved in terms of narrowing the "beat's me/I don't know/unclassified" portion:

How did you generate this pie chart?

Veli Voipio

I could not take time to read the whole thread, but I have been thinking to tag mine adding these to myTags, according to the general thelogical base

Fundamentalist
Evangelical
Cleric
Critical
Humanist

David Menton

Perhaps denominational designations are not as useful as they once were given the broad spectrum of beliefs within denominations. For example, as a conservative Lutheran, I am theologically closer to a conservative Baptist than I am to a liberal Lutheran. Maybe just tag resources as being conservative or liberal.

abondservant

Perhaps denominational designations are not as useful as they once were given the broad spectrum of beliefs within denominations. For example, as a conservative Lutheran, I am theologically closer to a conservative Baptist than I am to a liberal Lutheran. Maybe just tag resources as being conservative or liberal.

The problem is that who I (as a reformed baptist) see as liberal is going to be different than who a campbelite sees as liberal, will be different than who you see as liberal, and a Presbyterian may think were all liberal.

Conservative seems to be the term one uses to describe their own position, liberal - the people to ones left, and fundamentalists are possibly more conservative still.

Doc B

Perhaps denominational designations are not as useful as they once were given the broad spectrum of beliefs within denominations. For example, as a conservative Lutheran, I am theologically closer to a conservative Baptist than I am to a liberal Lutheran. Maybe just tag resources as being conservative or liberal.

Howdy, Dr. Menton!

I don't know if you remember me...I used to be the Division Chair for Natural Sciences at Missouri Baptist University back in the '90s. I appeared on a few panels with you on Creationism issues. Glad to see you here!! I have no idea how to send IMs on this thing, or I would.

Hope to visit with you soon!

(J. B. Boren)

C M

MJ,

Your personal Chart is interesting. Do you think Logos can do this with its entire book holdings?

Angela Lott (personal)

This all looks good and we could spend quite some time honing it between us. My post was to make it look doable, and potentially useful.

However, my basic point is that Logos are willing to label resources for marketing purposes, as Rosie points out, so my request is that they simply add these tags to the actual resources within Logos and create collections based on them, thus saving hundreds or thousands of us creating these collections for ourselves.

EXACTLY!!! The tagging is there when we search on the Logos.com website so why can't that just be integrated with searching one's library?

Sandro Polenta

This is a very good point. I would greatly appreciate such a tagging.