Best way to search for ὥστε followed by accusative with an infinitive

I've been trying to strengthen my searching skills. So, i figured I'd throw this out here.

I'm working through 2 Thessalonians. Got to v. 4 with a ὥστε. Looked up BDAG and they put it under "foll. by the acc. w. inf.". So, i wanted to do this as a search.

I thought through it and decided the only way that I know how to do this would be through a syntax search (I was hoping to do this through morph search).

Worked on one with Cascadia and hated the results (5 times for the same verse and what not).

So, I created one in LSGNT.

This worked pretty well. But, does anyone else have another, possibly easier way to do a search like this?

Thanks!

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(I was hoping to do this through morph search).

<Lemma = lbs/el/ὥστε> BEFORE 1 WORD @V??N BEFORE 1 WORD @R??A

<Lemma = lbs/el/ὥστε> BEFORE 1 WORD @V??N BEFORE 1 WORD @NA

<Lemma = lbs/el/ὥστε> BEFORE 7 WORDS @V??N WITHIN 3 WORDS @R??A

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Ryan Robinson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/778194#Comment_778194

<Lemma = lbs/el/ὥστε> BEFORE 1 WORD @V??N BEFORE 1 WORD @R??A

<Lemma = lbs/el/ὥστε> BEFORE 1 WORD @V??N BEFORE 1 WORD @NA

<Lemma = lbs/el/ὥστε> BEFORE 7 WORDS @V??N WITHIN 3 WORDS @R??A

The issue is how to determine the ranges. How did you determine 7 words and 3 words before each?

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https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/778215#Comment_778215

The issue is how to determine the ranges. How did you determine 7 words and 3 words before each?

1st search <Lemma = lbs/el/ὥστε> included five verses in 1 Th and 2 Th so modified ranges until found four of the five verses (using count of words in the verses that were not included in the morph search results).

2nd search <Lemma = lbs/el/ὥστε> BEFORE 1 WORD @V??N BEFORE 1 WORD @R??A included 1 Th 1.7

3rd search <Lemma = lbs/el/ὥστε> BEFORE 3 WORDS @V??N BEFORE 1 WORD @R??A included 1 Th 1:8

4th search <Lemma = lbs/el/ὥστε> BEFORE 5 WORDS @V??N WITHIN 3 WORDS @R??A included 2 Th 1:4

5th search <Lemma = lbs/el/ὥστε> BEFORE 7 WORDS @V??N WITHIN 3 WORDS @R??A included 2 Th 2:4

Note: 1 Th 4:18 does not have an infinitive near <Lemma = lbs/el/ὥστε>

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Ryan Robinson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/778229#Comment_778229

So, it seems that doing the syntax search would be a better choice because there isn't guessing with the range. Would you agree?

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/778270#Comment_778270

So, it seems that doing the syntax search would be a better choice because there isn't guessing with the range. Would you agree?

Using grammatical terms like Clause or Phrase means the range is confined to words in that term rather than depending on an arbitrary number of words. But there are often many overlaps e.g. Clause within Clause, so you get many possible results from (almost) the same text.

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https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/778270#Comment_778270

So, it seems that doing the syntax search would be a better choice because there isn't guessing with the range. Would you agree?

Guessing we have a bit of terminology difference between guessing and sampling (with incremental refinement). For syntax search, have learned to start with morph search approximation followed by sampling in Syntax Diagram while creating Search. First search done using Cascadia included 1 Th 1.8 , 2 Th 1.4 , and 2 Th 1.8

Noticed 1 Th 1.7 has different Cascadia Syntax Graph. Added OR to Syntax Search so second search included 1 Th 1.8

Morph Search <Lemma = lbs/el/ὥστε> BEFORE 7 WORDS @V??N WITHIN 3 WORDS @R??A includes Matthew 10.1 that has yet a different Cascadia Syntax Graph

Morph search found 28 verses while third Syntax Search has 30, but does not have Mt 12.22 that has a bit different Syntax Graph so changed search of Subject Clause Function to add accusative adjective.

Morph search includes Mt 27.1 so modified Syntax Search one more time (changed one clause to match skip levels):

The 51 Syntax search results now include all Matthew and Thessalonian verses found by Morph Search. Mk 1.27 and 1 Co 11.33 are not in Syntax Search results; accusative is the object of a preposition. Syntax search of Cascadia includes all relevant Morph Search results. Reviewing Syntax Search showed simplification would keep Acts 19:12 from being found three times.

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Ryan Robinson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/778390#Comment_778390

I walked through this step by step for the last little while and it was very very helpful. Thanks for all the time spent on this one. You rock!