If I had a million dollars (to grow Logos Bible Software)...

Bob Pritchett
Bob Pritchett Member, Logos Employee Posts: 2,280
edited November 20 in English Forum

I'm working on strategic planning for Logos. With Logos 4 shipped it's time (for me) to start thinking about what's next.

(Yes, our team is diligently working on the improvements we all want for Logos 4: parity on the Mac, printing, missing add-ins, etc. My planning isn't slowing that down -- it's figuring out what we'll be working on once those things are done.)

I've love to have your input on the process.

One of the exercises I've used at planning retreats in the past is to have everyone make a plan for investing  $1 million: what would be the best use of a $1 million investment at Logos, and have the greatest return?

For example (and for cost reference)... this might enable:


  • Keyboarding the entire Patrologia Graeca
  • Hiring 10 more software developers for one year
  • Hiring 15 new sales representatives for one year
  • Mailing $50 to every seminary student in north america (20,000) to entice them to watch our introductory video
  • Building Logos compatible editions of 300 public domain books and giving them away to get people on our platform
  • Mailing $2 to every pastor in north america (500,000) to entice them to watch our introductory video

What's your idea?

And what if was $10 million?

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  • Dan Sheppard
    Dan Sheppard Member Posts: 377 ✭✭

    What's your idea?

    And what if was $10 million?

     

    Bob-

     

    Do I get to KEEP any of it?  I had to ask.

    The reason I originally purchased Logos Software, was that the company I was previously with, had insufficient resources available to me.

    From many posts I have read, I see that there are tons of Arminians and Calvinists, who purchase your software.  But being Missouri Synod Lutheran, I was happy to find so many things available to me, which came from Concordia Publishing.

    To keep this brief, I would like to see the access to more LCMS (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod) resources.  There are a lot of scholars and seminarians,who have written lots of material.  I see a few selections here and there, but by no means, at the level that I see of say, Calvin.

    Of your suggestions above, the only one that appeals to me, is hiring SOME LEVEL of software developers, since that seems to be where your bread and butter lies.  I would think that your Customer Service dept is always a good place for reinforcement.

    Since you have ventured into iPhone, I suggest some more support in getting the apps working and fully functional.

    I would also like to see more selection of artwork we could use in Bible study handouts, etc.  I am doing one on the Book of Daniel and find the artwork a bit skimpy, even on the Internet.

     

    Thanks for a fine product.  I am impressed with the "Word Puzzle" feature.  If nothing else, it is great fun to watch the letters buzzing around.  Perhaps when I retire.....

     

    Dan Sheppard

     

     

     

     

  • John Fidel
    John Fidel MVP Posts: 3,388

    Hi Bob,

    I guess the term grow Logos Bible Software means different things to different people. Looking at your list my comments are as follows:

    1. Interesting, but with a limited market would not grow Logos.

    2. This would provide a faster path to 5.0, but is the vision for 5.0 already firm so the new developers would provide a product that could be sold in the year they were employed?

    3. Sales reps would grow Logos market if they were productive and efficient in their marketing.

    4. Giving 50 to every seminary student would be a really bad idea, just to watch an introductory video. Spend the money on 3 above and provide aggressive academic discounts with the diference.

    5. Public domain books are available for free already and is probably not Logos market, although a few free books would be cool for your existing customers.

    6. Same as 4 above.

    My ideas will have to come later, my wife is calling me....

     

  • Dominick Sela
    Dominick Sela Member Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭

    Good question and thanks for asking us Bob!

    I will keep reading and maybe post another thought and/or maybe someone else's ideas will spur another idea of my own, but here's what I think about now for longer term:

    I am not sure how much you have invested in this, but to me what really makes Logos the product go is resources.  They drive the revenue, the upgrades, and fund the advances in the engine I suspect.  Yet it seems to be the most labor intensive part of the whole business.  There are resources that are "under contract" that have been 3 years or more and are still not out.  That's a large backlog of revenue! 

    I suspect this is a very time consuming labor-intensive effort to take a resource and make an eResource out of it, and technology has a difficult time scanning/recognizing some texts.  What if, just like there was a major "next generation" of Logos that will last it the next 5-10 years in fundamental architecture, there was a comparable "next gen" upgrade to how you prepare resources to reduce the labor, hence reducing errors, hence reducing cost?  This would be a multi-year effort - advanced AI for recognizing text, new tagging that is much more comprehensive, maybe spending money with someone like Google to get into truly advanced search engine advancements (maybe paying them for some of their code if you haven't already) to aid in the research process for the best ways to "tag everything" for the future? It would also have next-gen tagging (see below for more on that), better technologies to do less indexing and generate less data on the user computer.

    This next gen vision would also include next generation tagging of text - because future features will need to be able to answer questions and relate resources in new ways, especially if you want to bring new markets of users to the product. For example, one day, with WPF as the base so you could design very sophisticated graphical software, could a casual user ("my grandmom") who has bibles and tons of devotionals in their system because its cheaper to do, just paint graphically a query to classify statement in my devotional library about a given Bible story where the system tells me stuff like a quick summary of the theology of the article based on words and word phrases that the system set up? 

    All the existing resources would need to be redone in the new technology as well.

    While I think this is well beyond the $1 million and is surely a multi-year vision, think of this - what if everything under contract in prepub right now could be published within 3 months of today, with minimal labor cost thanks to some new software? How much acceleration of revenue does that bring into this year?

     

  • J.R. Miller
    J.R. Miller Member Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭

    Not knowing all the market data and technical issues in play, I would prioritize the following.

    1. Mac developers to get L4mac up to complete parity ASAP.

    2. Marketing  with direct representatives to Mac community.

    3. Creating marketing opportunities in Christian high schools (users of the future), colleges, and Bible Schools).  Based on my learning style, asking folks to watch a video about Logos 4 is less effective (I think) than sending reps to do a direct demo, but I have no stats to back up my perception.

    4. Website improvements to ensure pre-pubs and all orders can be downloaded with L4 and no more requirements to ship. Also integrating POS options for locked books into the L4 UI.

    5. Hire part time web developer/moderator just for the Forum ( and wiki) which is a large part of the Logos support strategy and needs some attention.

    Blessings

    My Books in Logos & FREE Training

  • Dave Cotner
    Dave Cotner Member Posts: 13 ✭✭

    I would reinvest it in my current employees. Training, retreats, seminars, upgraded heath benefits, retirement plans, or anything to movitate and encourage them. You will never maintain a great product without great, trained, and content employees (and their families). Their investment back into the company will not be able to be measured in dollars and cents.

    Blessings,

    Dave

  • SteveF
    SteveF Member Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭

    What's your idea?

    Although no one "paid" me to watch a video, a Christian Book Store owner did give me a "free" sampler. (He paid for it). Back then (15 years ago?) Logos 1?, 2? was not too much more than a concordance program. In addition a fellow seminary student recommended it in a very winsome NON pressurized way.

    To keep any recent momentum gained from Logos 4 perhaps it would be good to:

    A. expand customer service (to deal with 'shell-shocked' former L3'ers) &

    B. add extra programmers (to get the " former" features implemented ASAP.)

    OR Use the $1 , 10 or ? millions to answer the 2 main responses I meet in trying to attract folks to Logos:

    1. It is too confusing (I realize Logos 4 was an attempt to deal with this)

    2. It is too expensive. ( I finally settled on Logos in spite of that - after checking out most of the competition - because of its HUGH library of search-able resources).

    Thanks for asking.

    Steve

    ps. And yes, I realize that NONE of this is "cutting edge."

    Regards, SteveF

  • Jim VanSchoonhoven
    Jim VanSchoonhoven Member Posts: 579 ✭✭

    Well, I believe once you have Logos 4 complete, you will have the best educational program ever built to  study the scriptures, but people do not see the need for it, or they do not  know the product  is out there and what is possible.

    I believe your efforts need to be on going out to the body of Christ and teaching them how they can study the scripture on a level they had never even dreamed was possible.  Offer to send out well trained part time or full time trainers, to come to their fellowships and introduce them to electronic bible study.  Show them a whole new level of training can be done in the local fellowships, if pastors, elders and others can be shown how they can go deeper into God's word than ever before, and that everyone can do it. 

    Part of the draw back for most folks is they have no idea how Logos can help them to study the bible and number two they have no idea why programs cost so much.  You can over come these things by helping them to see the value of Logos 4 and also by taking steps that would allow some one a cheap way to build their library even while they have a very limited cash flow, or while they are learning the value of Logos 4. 

    You could do this by providing easy to use PBB programs  on low end products which will allow anyone that want to, to start building their own public domain books for their program. 

    I am willing to spend 1000's of dollars on Logos because I have learned to see the value of the program.  I have seen this value by using it!!!  I have a very good free program called the Word, with nearly 1000 resources in it, but I am willing to pay your company 1000's of dollars on top of that because I have learned how much more your program can provide to me in my studies. 

    This came about because I have seen how much more your  program can do, but also because of the value of your many copyrighted resources that I can not use in my free program.

    Allowing people to start out building their own public domain books will encourage them to use your system and once that gets going, a person becomes willing to pay the price for bigger and bigger packages of copyrighted books.

    Call it what ever you want but you need to go out and reach people and show them a need for your product and how to use it, from then on they will see the need for more and more resources.

    In Christ,

    Jim

  • Terry Poperszky
    Terry Poperszky Member Posts: 1,576

    but people do not see the need for it, or they do not  know the product  is out there and what is possible.

    I believe your efforts need to be on going out to the body of Christ and teaching them how they can study the scripture on a level they had never even dreamed was possible.  Offer to send out well trained part time or full time trainers, to come to their fellowships and introduce them to electronic bible study.  Show them a whole new level of training can be done in the local fellowships, if pastors, elders and others can be shown how they can go deeper into God's word than ever before, and that everyone can do it. 

    AMEN! Preach it Brother!

    Sorry, got carried away, but this is exactly where my heart is. The way to grow Logos Software is to grow the market. People need to have a hunger for God's Word before Logos is anything more than another gadget sitting on the shelf. How many Bibles are sold, how many are actually read. I have upgraded my package twice in the last two months, yet my Logos sat untouched on my computer for the previous year. Why did I upgrade now? I have rediscovered my love affair with God's Word. 

     

     

  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,798

    what would be the best use of a $1 million investment at Logos, and have the greatest return?

    Bob,

    What is Logos in business for? (What's your business?)

    What is your vision for the impact Logos as a company and a product will have, given the resources to accomplish the vision? Who is it having that impact on? How is that being accomplished?

    What is the return on investment that you'd most like to see? That you think the Lord would most like to see?

    What is the single most important thing you would like to accomplish in this business?

    Can't tell you how to spend money wisely (even a dollar) unless I know what you are trying to do.

    Pastor, North Park Baptist Church

    Bridgeport, CT USA

  • Jeremy
    Jeremy Member Posts: 686 ✭✭

    • Keyboarding the entire Patrologia Graeca

    This and the entire Loeb classical library.

     

  • DominicM
    DominicM Member Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭

    First: fill the holes in your package base:

    You need a introductory level product like the old $9.99 one nelson used to do, with say ASV,KJV, a couple of comentaries, strongs and a bible dictionary, which we can give away ad-nausium, and from tiny acorn mighty oaks grow..

    and a second product somewhere around the $100 mark, I have people that want to use Logos 4 but the current base packages at $200 are too expensive for them.

    secondly, dont waste your money producing a myriad of PD stuff, give us enhanced PBB tools to do it ourselves, you'll get a much broader depth/range of literature

    thirdly, your money has to go into honoring God, being the best you can be (striving for excellence) which includes becoming/securing your position as market leader in both PC/Mac environment,  and also leading the way for everyone else to follow.

    fourthly, maybe put 5-7% of your book budget aside to develop those titles which should be in electronic form, but arent financially viable under normal circumstances.

     

    Never Deprive Anyone of Hope.. It Might Be ALL They Have

  • Ward Walker
    Ward Walker Member Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭

    Hiring 15 new sales representatives for one year

    Building Logos compatible editions of 300 public domain books and giving them away to get people on our platform

      If you can't cut the base collections' current prices, then significantly expanding the bundled-in books would be very nice.  I realize that when PBB's come to v4 we'll already have many of these--but perhaps not to the degree of sophistication a "logos" resource would bring.

      Last year, I lobbied a Lifeway editor to publish his portfolio via Logos, but was unsuccessful.  Adding company reps to woo major publishers who aren't fully on board yet would be nice/explain community pricing/pre-pub development financial models. 

      AudioVisual media is a mostly untapped area for v4, yet it is increasing in leaps/bounds elsewhere--I'm especially impressed with some search engine's ability to search video clips for words.  I have some T-N logos 3 resources that came with videos and audio files, but they've not integrated into v4 (at least yet).  It would be very nice to be able to purchase (for example) Adrian Rogers' mp3 sermons via Logos and be able to include their contents in searches.

      Finally, your retrospective elsewhere on electronic publishing was very interesting...but I'd still like to see a future where I could add my wife as a logos-differentiated co-user (without a full re-purchase of all resources).  Similarly, it would be nice to have a financial model for installing v4 (or later) in a church library for multi-user use.

  • Tom Reynolds
    Tom Reynolds Member Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭

    Other than buying kraft dinner [:)] I would suggest that...

    In terms of reaping big immediate rewards from your current
    market area I would suggest producing 300 public domain resources and then selling
    those resources to existing users for say $200. You’re going to sell say 4000
    copies at that price = $800,000. Your cost so far is $200,000 plus operating
    expenses. You create a lot of excitement and then you take that money and send
    copies of L4 to every pastor and seminary student in the country, including say
    100 selected resources plus LEB and maybe something else so they can really see
    how the program works (interlinear, etc.). You include information about
    obtaining another 200 resources for $200 (the same price as current users paid
    for the whole lot) and of course you encourage them to buy an L4 package.
    Assuming that you could hit all 520,000 people you would spend $1.53 each on
    DVD and postage costs and have spent your 1 million. If even only 1/10 of one
    percent upgraded only to the additional 200 resources you would recoup your 1
    million and you would have 5000 new customers.

    If it was 10 million I would suggest that you licence/develop more foreign language Bibles and other resources. You have room
    to grow in the western world but long-term growth will come through overseas
    sales. MS/SAP/IBM are making a bundle selling software to Indians, Chinese, Europeans,
    etc (even taking piracy into account). I think you should look at providing
    access to every language over x-amount of world population. You can see a list
    by popularity on Wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers.
    It would make it better for missionaries and also people of those backgrounds who
    have moved to North America. I know you have made inroads with Spanish and I
    can only assume that hasn’t been very profitable by the lack of resources
    appearing. Consider another language (that has no competitors) and seek to
    become the go-to software for scholars and pastors in that language.

  • Stein Dahl
    Stein Dahl Member Posts: 273 ✭✭

    Hello Bob,

    I like some of the ideas and suggestions others have made.  Here are the ones that stand out to me:

    • Add software developers & code writers for development (on both the Windows & Mac sides)

                     This will help in getting the Logos product fully ready & stable & "out there" - available for purchase.

    • The idea of giving away a "free" sampler (a very basic Logos 4 with
      just a few resources) - a platform from which people can either build a
      resource library (one piece at a time) or an upgrade path to one of the
      main base packages.  Make it available in the Christian bookstores, for
      example & on the Logos website.

                     This would go a long way in developing a very good "word of mouth" reputation for Logos.

    • Use the $1 - or - 10 million to answer some of the main concerns my friends at church always bring up when I try to tell them
      about Logos:
      • 1. It is too confusing / complicated
      • 2. It is too expensive
      • 3. People do
        not see the need for it, or they don't understand what the software is fully capable of.

    These are major hurdles for Logos, it seems to me - and hence my suggestions below:

    • Direct these newly hired software developers to make Logos 4 easier to use for new users:

    In order to make Logos 4 less confusing for the new user,
    without dumbing down the product, just create a few default (&
    un-deleteable) layouts that - by default - come up when you run some of
    the major features; like the Passage Guide, Exegetical Guide, Bible
    Word Study, etc
    ., so that any new user can easily use the major
    features of Logos 4
    without a bunch of major configuring.

    You know,
    like the default layout that automatically comes up when you type in a
    passage or topic on the home page. There could even be a few default (but very basic) "collections" that are preset in the base packages. 

    Or maybe the whole program could have some preset settings for different types of users.  For instance, there could be a mode for new users with default layouts and settings just for new users.  There could be a mode for intermediate users and one for advanced users, each with its own default layouts & settings for the major features. One check box for each in the program settings to turn on or off these settings.

    Of course there would have to be the option to turn off
    all of these default layouts and settings - so that more/most advanced users (i.e.; Power Users) can still customize to their hearts desire.

    Let's face it, Logos 3 and 4 are
    complicated to use.  But that's actually a very good thing.  After all,
    the more things you want a software to be able to do, the more
    complicated it becomes to use it, and this baby can do a lot! 

    But this - "it's too complicated" - issue could easily be "side stepped" (again, without dumbing down the product) by creating these default settings for new, intermediate, and more advanced users.

    And making Logos 4 easier to "get into" (using these settings) would boost your bottom line because more people would buy and use it - which in turn would lead to sales of individual resources, also boosting the bottom line.


    • Try (either through sales and/or specials etc.) to see what the effect for
      Logos would be if you charged less for individual resources and base
      packages. 

    I bet you might be surprised to find out that many
    more people would be interested in purchasing your product and you
    might just make more money because your target demographic has changed
    from a relatively small one
    (basically Seminary students and pastors, etc) to a huge one (anyone in the Church with a serious desire to study).

    Just my thoughts on the issue.

    sdahlinghwa

    PS: I also think that TomReynolds (above) has some excellent and serious ideas.

  • Stephen
    Stephen Member Posts: 237 ✭✭

    I think there are several areas that would help Logos as a company and program. I work with one of the command and control systems DOD uses. One of the biggest ways we see our user base increase is when we do training and people understand the capabilities of our software. One way that might help is have regional training teams that conduct 1 day seminars on Saturdays. i know Morris Proctor does seminars for Logos, but the are usually 2 days during the week and the cost is also a factor. Something like 1 day introductory seminars at a very low cost (to offset venue fees) would help. You could also produce a free version since your not really charging for it but the resources.

    You could include some basic resources like the ones with the iPhone app. This would contribute to a wider user base. they may not all purchase the packages but iy you has 1,000 people buy 3 smaller commentaries and 2 bibles that would be more sales, they would be small but you would be looking at larger numbers.

    I would also like to see the PBB for Mac and also the ability to PDF files to my Logos library and an eBook reader. I prefer to have one place to go for all my resources. The same way i use iTunes for all my media.

    An area you could expand to outside of Biblical works would be education. I haven't heard of any eResource programs for education. if you created something similar to Logos for education with all the digital resources and the ability to search those resources. imagine the students all having the entire schools library on there computers and being able to search it.

     

    I would also like to see more Charismatic/Pentecostal/Spirit Filled Resources.

     

  • Alain Maashe
    Alain Maashe Member Posts: 390 ✭✭

     












    I would like to see Logos improve its search engine (i.e. use a customizable
    version of the Wolfram Alpha engine) where one could ask full sentence
    questions in plain English (i.e. who is Jesus?) and get an answer that is not
    just a collection of link with Jesus as the main topic. If the question is
    poorly phrased or ambiguous for the program, a list of options could be given
    to clarify the query. The answer to the query will also give the sources and related
    topic and info

    This should be in a way easier to implement than for what a
    general search engine has to do since it is limited to the field of religious
    studies and more importantly to the resources Logos possesses that could be
    tagged accordingly.

     

    It would be helpful to a lot of new users that are intimidated by
    the current setup and could improve the usefulness of resources that currently
    lack a good index (i.e. the Theological Journal Library). One should also be
    able to customize these searches by collection and so on

     

    I would also like to see the ability for Logos to completely
    replace my print books, especially when it comes to reading a book cover to
    cover. This might include the need to make it compatible with popular e-reader
    or next-gen tablet/slate PCs. But I would like to see an e- reader that is
    multi-platform (i.e. could also run on Android or Linux) and rivals the
    experience that one has with reading a print book for an extended period of
    time (or at least with reading from an e-reader like the Kindle).

     

    This might need more than money, but I would like to get electronic
    books as the same time the print version is published and see Logos expands its
    offerings when it comes to books that are not part of a series (less profitable
    I know, but needed if Logos really intends to replace print libraries). I would
    like to be able to go entirely digital.   

     

    Alain

     

  • J. Morris
    J. Morris Member Posts: 569 ✭✭

    --Resource Acquisition

    --Program Optimization

    --Missionary Supplemental Software Program (making it easier and more cost effective for Logos to be used in overseas mission endeavors)

     

  • Edwin Bowden
    Edwin Bowden Member Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭

    DominicM said:


    First: fill the holes in your package base:

    You need a introductory level product like the old $9.99 one nelson used to do, with say ASV,KJV, a couple of comentaries, strongs and a bible dictionary, which we can give away ad-nausium, and from tiny acorn mighty oaks grow..

    and a second product somewhere around the $100 mark, I have people that want to use Logos 4 but the current base packages at $200 are too expensive for them.

    secondly, dont waste your money producing a myriad of PD stuff, give us enhanced PBB tools to do it ourselves, you'll get a much broader depth/range of literature

    thirdly, your money has to go into honoring God, being the best you can be (striving for excellence) which includes becoming/securing your position as market leader in both PC/Mac environment,  and also leading the way for everyone else to follow.

    fourthly, maybe put 5-7% of your book budget aside to develop those titles which should be in electronic form, but arent financially viable under normal circumstances.

     


    I agree with these concepts.

    But, I would also suggest that Logos will probably always be primarily a tool for power users. They have the needs that Logos is able to supply and are willing to budget their resources to purchase them.

    Although cheap starter packages will be one way of getting new customers started, I am not sure how many people will really invest the time to learn and use the power Logos provides. I think $100 probably represents a real commitment level to learn to use Bible study software.

    Keep the quality of product uppermost.

    The launch of L4 had too many hiccups.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,415

    I would concentrate on expanding your base:

    1. More of the early works of the church of interest to scholars across all denominations - Patrologia Graeca would be one example but Syriac, Amharic, pseudopigraphic works also count. The more professors who use Logos, the more students will use Logos.
    2. I would balance that thrust out with public domain books at low cost that appeal to your core users - evangelicals
    3. I would add solid support for lectionary-based study especially for sermon development to keep students who were introduced to Logos for languages using Logos when they go out as pastors. I would not, however, go into competition with denominational websites or software. I would link to "The Text This Week"
    4. I would develop an array of Bible study template guides usable by "Mr. Joe Blow" and develop a very minimal package - Bibles, bible dictionary, maps - to introduce the serious home Bible study person to Logos ... and hope to get them hooked on adding resources.
    5. I would explore the possibility of Logos purchasing "library access" to subscription journal sites and selling licenses to Logos' users at a reduced cost.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Jeremy White
    Jeremy White Member Posts: 261 ✭✭

    One of the biggest trends in software over the past few
    years has been the efforts different companies have expended to open up at
    least a portion of their systems to allow the development of a third party
    marketplace for add-in products.  This
    has developed to the point that one of the metrics being used to judge how good
    a new smart phone is how many apps are available for it in its corresponding “app
    store”.

    For Logos, the most obvious way this could occur is by
    creating a commercial level of PBB and create a marketplace in which they could
    be sold.  This potentially increases the
    number of people promoting the Logos platform (come and buy my book – oh by the
    way you need to download Logos to read it) and a corresponding level of new
    users to market your premium titles to. It also increases the number of titles
    available on the platform to increase the chances there might be at least one
    book that a person deems interesting enough to download. Logos can derive revenue
    both from the initial PBB creator license as well as a commission on each
    individual sale, as well as the additional cross sell opportunities. For
    instance, let’s say a person wanted to market a study guide / series or something
    like that. It is likely the original content references a number of strategic
    titles which Logos has already developed. By allowing the writer to bundle
    those additional titles (at a price of course) that adds value to that “product”
    as well as increasing the value of the sale to Logos.

     I realize there are
    issues such as possible copyright infringement issues, quality control, etc but
    nothing that I can think of that couldn’t be overcome through a judicious mix of
    policy enforcement and limiting of liabilities. For something like this to
    work, it would need to be possible for the free Logos download to be able to
    display these commercial level PBBs (at least – if not even lower levels of the
    PBB license).

     

    Scripture set to music for worship and aid memorization. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-DojPa0TlpCGhtUJq1e3Pw

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,415

    For Logos, the most obvious way this could occur is by
    creating a commercial level of PBB and create a marketplace in which they could
    be sold.

    I like this idea.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Dan Sheppard
    Dan Sheppard Member Posts: 377 ✭✭

    Bob-

    Based upon reading the other responses, I would like to amend mine.

    I think that acquiring the resources must be a tough one.  But if you could do it more quickly, that would be a benefit and increase your revenue stream sooner.

    Also, if you could get the existing publishers to respond more quickly in releasing their product to iPhone for example, that would be good PR for those that jumped on board early on. 

    I am still waiting on Concordia Publishing to release the rest of my Lutheran resources.  I do not know what throwing money at that problem can actually do.

     

  • Jeremy White
    Jeremy White Member Posts: 261 ✭✭

    Another thought - and this is my last one unless you engage me as a consultant [;)] - if you're looking for a way to market to seminary / bible school students - why not call as many institutions as you care to and get them to tell you the books students are expected to get and then offer them as a bundle / at a discount or some other value added proposition. I know the last time I was doing seminary study one of the first things I did once a found out what texts had been set for the course was to see whether they were available in Libronix format.

    I guess what this approach leads to is a much more mix and match approach to bundling. Instead of the fairly inflexible Gold, Platinum, Portfolio, etc system where the titles are already prescribed - why not say x dollars buys you n credits (this way you can give a discount for larger upfront commitments) and then let the individual decide how they want to distribute those credits.

    This way you avoid some of the "I don't want Catholic, or Arminian, or Piper or _______ resources in my library" angst.

    BTW, I would agree with the need for a much more inexpensive entry level product as earlier suggested - I don't know how large the power user market potential may be but it would seem that any growth potential is going to found in "the long tail"  (hence the more titles that are available the better the hit rate) and the more casual user where you're effectively competing with the likes of e-sword and other low cost to no cost options.

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  • Russ Quinn
    Russ Quinn Member Posts: 711 ✭✭


    There have been a lot of really good marketing suggestions offered on this thread so far.

    Two of the better ones in my opinion:

     

    • Cheaper entry packages - I'd probably aim at free, $29.99, $50, and $99 packages 
    • Work with Professors at Bible colleges and seminaries to provide bundles that are reduced for their classes

    In terms of investment, I think that Jeremy is spot on with his recommendation of a Resource Store where people can cheaply publish their own works (for profit or non-profit if they choose). Perhaps Logos could even partner with or do something like Lifeway's self publishing http://www.CrossBooks.com/ to produce the most cost effective small runs of printed books that are published.

    I would also expand the store beyond self published original works and allow individuals to publish public domain works that they have taken the time to tag as Logos resources.

    This might mean expanding the capabilities of the PBB tool to include the ability to OCR and tag PDF files.

    I think their could be a lot of synergy with all of the full copies of public domain books now available on sites like Google books and archive.org by opening up these capabilities to users and incentivizing them with a store to sell tagged books.

    I'm sure there are legal issues and quality control issues but that is a direction I would think might have some potential for future growth.

  • Mike Childs
    Mike Childs Member Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭

    I believe Logos' future market is grown best through young pastors.  Seminary is the place to target.  I would put together a package of resources targeted for these students.  I would include enough resources to be of real value, but not too much.  I would want to give them the real taste of what Logos can do.  I would include just a couple books out of some of the major commentaries collections, such as NIC.

     I would put together different packages for different seminaries, taking into account the theology of each.  For example there would be different resources for Wesleyan, Reformed, Baptist, Presbyterian, or Pentecostal schools.

    I would make these packages available to every seminary student for about $30.  All could afford that and a small fee insures interest.  I might then give them a discount on some type of upgrade.

    I would also try to develop relationships with seminary professors.  I would seek their advice on future resources that would benefit their students.

    Get these students using Logos early in their careers and they will be customers for life.  They will soon have too much invested to consider any other Bible Study Software.


    "In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

  • David Shaw
    David Shaw Member Posts: 41 ✭✭

    I have upgraded my package twice in the last two months, yet my Logos sat untouched on my computer for the previous year. Why did I upgrade now? I have rediscovered my love affair with God's Word. 

     

    This desribes me as well...

  • Blair Laird
    Blair Laird Member Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭

    I would buy the rights for the bible software glo and figure out how to incorporate it into logos. My wife seems to like that product. It is no scholars tool by no means, but it is entertaining for her with all the cool media.

    So depending on how much buying the rights for glo costs

    1. 10 more programmers just for the windows version... ???

    2. Wouldn't need sells reps... it would sell itself [:D] Ultimate learning mixed with fun... ( Glogos)

    3. Could invest alot into marketing... Getting to more seminaries etc..

  • Bohuslav Wojnar
    Bohuslav Wojnar Member Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭

    If it was 10 million I would suggest that you licence/develop more foreign language Bibles and other resources. You have room
    to grow in the western world but long-term growth will come through overseas
    sales. MS/SAP/IBM are making a bundle selling software to Indians, Chinese, Europeans,
    etc (even taking piracy into account). I think you should look at providing
    access to every language over x-amount of world population. You can see a list
    by popularity on Wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers.
    It would make it better for missionaries and also people of those backgrounds who
    have moved to North America. I know you have made inroads with Spanish and I
    can only assume that hasn’t been very profitable by the lack of resources
    appearing. Consider another language (that has no competitors) and seek to
    become the go-to software for scholars and pastors in that language.

    I agree with multilingual, international Logos suggestion. Not only to get all the Bibles of all languages possible, but to make it possible to have localized Interface. I remember time when Microsoft did that move and that had been a decisive factor making MS Office #1 office application.

    I like also a PBB improved version idea because it would help to get some books in the local languages working in Logos, that would never get the enough commercial attention from Logos.

    Another thing I would suggest very much would be much more sophisticated book reading environment (including the voice reading), working on all platforms (iPhone, newly coming Tablets, etc.)

    Bohuslav

  • Onell McCarthy
    Onell McCarthy Member Posts: 16 ✭✭

    Bob if i had the million dollars to spend first i would have onsite training class so as to educate people about the full potential of the software. We have people are enthuastic about the software but do not know how to use it for years. More interactive learning videos to help with learning process including sermon preparations. More affordadable books meet the budget

  • Stephen Paynter
    Stephen Paynter Member Posts: 206 ✭✭

    There have been some great replies so far ...

    I particularly agree with the ideas of ....

       1) Filling in the base product range, especially at the low end (although there is also a "need" between Platinum and Portfolio).

      2) Providing more public-domain free resources (either user-generated, or Logos generated)

      3) Working to bring all newly published Christian books into Logos at the same time as the print version, at least from the main publishers ... ideally, by the publishers themselves, else Logos will be snowed under.

     4) Treating your workers well

    I would also add ...

    Giving some of the academic publishers such good deals that they can't refuse to let you put their journals, etc, in Logos format. Especially CUP!

    Expanding to  include more general knowledge and fiction (Encyclopedia Britannica, or equivalent) - sermons sometimes require all kinds of knowledge and quotations.

    Making sure Logos is available / usable on the latest electronic readers

    Trying to bring down the cost of resources.

     

    Personally, I'm not sure advertising is the way to spend your money ... In the computing world, the C programming language and Unix did so well because it was essentially given away free to universities ... so all students learnt it ... and then C was bundled with all operating systems / computers, so that the first compiler that was written for a new computer was always a C compiler. In the same way, getting a good free Logos library out to "everyone" is a better sales technique than training days or paying people to watch videos - especially if the plan is to take over the world!

    Hope my ill-informed ideas spark some better-informed ones of your own!