6.8 Beta 4 Serious Revint BUG in five RIs! "Flawless"

This is not a beta issue, I believe, but a misassignment in the RI database for five different bibles (but maybe I'm wrong).

Inspired by a spurious blog post discussing the Lyrics of MercyMe-song "flawless" I thought to put my Logos to use.

Surprisingly, I found that the sense "flawless" is actually only assigned once - to a Hebrew lemma transliterated tahor in Prov 15:26 and usually translated with something like clean, pure (here a link to the BWS).

The bug is that the RIs of five bibles, LEB, NRSV, NRSVCE, NKJV and NASB95 mix up the assignment of the 6th and 8th Hebrew word in the sentence, and show the Hebrew word, lemma, Strongs etc and the sense under gracious/pleasant (which is actually the translation for noam in that verse).

I verified the translation of tahor accross my library and found that only the five RI-powered bibles named above have the pleasant/gracious or anything near it and only in this one verse of all the many usages of the lemma.

The LEB for example has this only once in 95 instances:

Curious that such a bug came up for "flawless" of all word senses (or is it much more prevalent in the database? I never look at Hebrew lemmas at all and wouldn't know).

Logos, please fix this!

[Note that when I first saw that in LEB I thought the resource index was mixed up and reindexed the LEB - since index corruption is still a possibility, maybe someone could confirm what I see - given my machine specs I'm reluctant to run a full reindex on my library]

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Graham Criddle

Hi Mick

maybe someone could confirm what I see

I see the same thing so it isn't a local indexing issue.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/785720#Comment_785720

Thanks, Graham.

Bob Pritchett

I forwarded this to the team responsible -- thanks!

Jeremy Thompson

Hi Mick:

Thank you for this valuable feedback. You are right. The reverse interlinear tagging is wrong in those 5 versions. I will pass this along to the person responsible for the RI data, and we will get that fixed.

As an aside, I've changed the sense tagging in Pr 15:26 to reflect the meaning of "pure" here to parallel Ps 12:7 where we have the same phraseology tagged as "pure." The definitions for "pure" and "flawless" are not actually that different in the BSL, so I don't think "flawless" merits being a distinct sense. This change should go out with the next update.

Jeremy

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/786000#Comment_786000

Thank you for this valuable feedback. You are right. The reverse interlinear tagging is wrong in those 5 versions. I will pass this along to the person responsible for the RI data, and we will get that fixed.

Thanks a lot!

As an aside, I've changed the sense tagging in Pr 15:26 to reflect the meaning of "pure" here to parallel Ps 12:7 where we have the same phraseology tagged as "pure." The definitions for "pure" and "flawless" are not actually that different in the BSL, so I don't think "flawless" merits being a distinct sense.

Maybe you can help me here.

flawless / blameless - without blemishes / pure / pure (substance) and probably a number of different senses all are "dots" in the BSL, most even without related senses listed.

I actally would have expected so see a sense-tree, where related senses are sub-senses of, say "clean".

Actually, with nouns it seems to be there:

Is this kind of thing in development for adjectives? Or did I just pick a bad example? To get an overview over this sense, it seems I have to juggle a dozen seemingly unrelated senses, lemmas, translations etc. going back and forth all the time, where I thought the BSL could help a lot with one tree as the graphical representation of all of this.