TIP of the day - weekend redux: The book abbreviation "Kgdms" = Samuel/Kings

MJ. Smith
MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,111
edited November 20 in English Forum

I saw this while in the Factbook looking up the city of Helam, it had "referred to as Ailam" and the reference was 2 Kgdms 10:16 which when clicked on went to 2 Samuel 10:16

Is this an alternate name? I did a search of the forums for Kgdms but didn't come up with anything relevant so thought I would start a new post

"1/2 Kingdoms" seems to be the name for the Samuel books in the Septuagint - you can see this e.g. in the L6 Canon Comparison tool:

HI Scott.

Is this an alternate name? I did a search of the forums for Kgdms but didn't come up with anything relevant so thought I would start a new post

In the Septuagint, the books 1-2 Samuel are usually called 1-2 Kingdoms, and 1-2 Kings are usually called 3-4 Kingdoms. So:

  • 1 Samuel == 1 Kingdoms
  • 2 Samuel == 2 Kingdoms
  • 1 Kings == 3 Kingdoms
  • 2 Kings == 4 Kingdoms

I also believe some English translations of the Vulgate use 'Reigns' instead of 'Kingdoms'.

The bible book names in the Douay-Rheims... You will note Chronicles is Paralipomenon and Ezra/Nehemiah  are 1 + 2 Esdras. These forms of book names were in use in the RC church up into the early 60s, So any RC writers would naturally refer to them in this way.

GENESIS

EXODUS

LEVITICUS

NUMBERS

DEUTERONOMY

JOSUE

JUDGES

RUTH

1 KINGS

2 KINGS

3 KINGS

4 KINGS

1 PARALIPOMENON

2 PARALIPOMENON

1 ESDRAS

2 ESDRAS

TOBIAS

JUDITH

ESTHER

JOB

PSALMS

PROVERBS

ECCLESIASTES

CANTICLE OF CANTICLES

WISDOM

ECCLESIASTICUS

ISAIAS

JEREMIAS

LAMENTATIONS

BARUCH

EZECHIEL

DANIEL

OSEE

JOEL

AMOS

ABDIAS

JONAS

MICHEAS

NAHUM

HABACUC

SOPHONIAS

AGGEUS

ZACHARIAS

MALACHIAS

1 MACHABEES

2 MACHABEES

 -Dan

Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

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  • JeremyS
    JeremyS Member Posts: 71

    MJ-

    Just happened across this same issue today and was perplexed at why "kingdoms" was coming up in a verse list. I realize now what it's referring to, but what governs how logos displays the book name? in my case I was doing a search across all bibles, and saved the results as a passage list in ESV and "kingdoms" is there. Is there a way i can tell Logos how i'd like it displayed? or does the ESV call those books kingdoms (last I checked it doesn't so i'm not sure what's happening here)

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,111
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/791240#Comment_791240

    Playing with a search for Hannah ... Odes seems to remain separate. Kingdoms seems to simply depend upon processing sequence as 1 Samuel/1 Kingdoms are treated as equivalent and merged under one or the other.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • JeremyS
    JeremyS Member Posts: 71
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/791249#Comment_791249

    so basically, if Logos gets a hit on a resource that lists it as "kingdoms", then it's going to show the reference as "kingdoms" no matter if the translation i chose uses that title or not?

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,111
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/791263#Comment_791263

    yes, it may rather than it will.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

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