Upgrading from Core 2 Duo to Core 2 Quad...noticeable performance improvement?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/77905#Comment_77905

The Quad would help some. Only you could guage whether it's enough for $300, but many of us feel that a $300 hit would be better put toward the next system--with i5 or i7.

The other area is the graphics card. Logos uses a new Windows graphics environment, & it seems to be very sensitive to the power of the graphics card. I'm not familiar with yours. But unless it's a gaming level card (fast, capable, & lots of on-board memory), you might also look at that as an area for a speed boost.

I can vouch for both of these suggestions. Of course, to go the way of the i7, you'll have to have a new motherboard with the P55 chipset. But if you can swing it, it would be a great improvement. The i7 has hyperthreading that'll get you a 20% performance boost over the i5. Also, with the new core management/turbo feature, the i5 and i7 will both give you another 20% boost over the core-2 quad. It's worth considering.

The graphics card should probably be at least the 9500 series. The 9800 would be better. Also, I noticed that you have an 80GB hard drive. I'm guessing that's an IDE drive. You'll get a very noticable improvement by moving to SATA 3 Gbps drives.

I just built a system like the one I've described this week. With 8GB of very fast ddr3, L4 sails on it. A system like this would last you a few years without having to upgrade angain.

SteveF

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/77967#Comment_77967

Also, I noticed that you have an 80GB hard drive. I'm guessing that's an IDE drive.

No, he says it is Solid State.

Intel X25-G2 80GB Solid State Drive

I don't think it gets much better than that!

Regards

Steve

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/77992#Comment_77992

Also, I noticed that you have an 80GB hard drive. I'm guessing that's an IDE drive.

No, he says it is Solid State.

Intel X25-G2 80GB Solid State Drive

I don't think it gets much better than that!

Regards

Steve

I missed that. Thanks for the correction.

Stephen Egge

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/78158#Comment_78158

I too have an intel SSD 160 gb but just use it for the boot up files and other programs that don't seem to like not being on the C: Drive.

My drive is a striped (RAID 0) Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb ... so two of these actually equal 2 TB ... but the point is ... that this is CHEAP in comparison to the intel SSD drive and ALMOST as fast. So if you have a good SATA II connection and your MB supports RAID ... then you can have speed and HD space for "relatively" little cost.

(I'm running an intel i-7 870 processor on an intel DP55KG intel mb, 8 gig of DDR3 ram, and win 7 64 bit and it is nice to have things run quickly and smoothly (for a change) )

Steve

A graphics card upgrade would go further than a quad core in terms of value for money. For normal operation of L4 3.0 GHz is good enough and it wouldn't use the 4 cores unless you are indexing. So if you want a real improvement you need a quad core faster than 3 GHz

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/78393#Comment_78393

A graphics card upgrade would go further than a quad core in terms of value for money. For normal operation of L4 3.0 GHz is good enough and it wouldn't use the 4 cores unless you are indexing. So if you want a real improvement you need a quad core faster than 3 GHz

Have to disagree there. A good graphics card does go a long way in this program and I'm not disagreeing with the advise to get a good one. But to say that L4 doesn't use all four cores is a misstatement. There are times when it uses all eight cores of my i7 just to redraw screens or for updating many linked panels. I say eight cores because the i7 has hyperthreading, so Windows sees eight cores. Trust me, after using L4 on a dual core for the first three weeks and then moving to the i7, it is a great improvement. By the way, my i7 is the 860 model. It runs at 2.8GHz and it flies.

Also, the i7 has a core-managed turbo charging option. If it is only using 50% of the four cores, it'll shut two of them down. That reduces the heat output so it will turn up the clock speed until it gets back to that same heat output. If it's using 25% of all four cores, it'll shut three of them down and clock up to 3.4 GHz. Windows still sees two cores because of hyperthreading and the clock speed is increased which makes the thing run much faster under lighter loads. It's a brilliant technology.

Alain Maashe

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/78393#Comment_78393

GHz do not mean much. my Core i7 2.80 GHz (passmark CPU score of 5579 but currently overclocked to 3.4 GHz with a passmark CPU score of 7225) or the Core i7 902 @ 2.67 GHZ (passmark CPU score of 5451) are much faster than everything AMD has to offer including the phenom ii x4 965 @ 3.4 GHz. (Passmark CPU score of 4223 ). Same thing goes many of Intel's previous offerings with higher GHz but less overall computing power.

What matters is the architecture that is used and factors like cache, memory controller, and so on.

In other to compare apples to apples when it comes to GHz, one must have the same CPU architecture.

However, I agree that a Quad core is not needed to run Logos 4 (as you said only tasks like indexing might benefit) and a more powerful dual core might be more helpful than a less powerful quad core (especially with older generations of dual and quad cores).

There is nothing in Logos' own system requirements that indicates that one needs a powerful 3D graphic card (as opposed to merely a good Direct X9 supporting WDDM 1.0 or higher driver with at least 512 MB of memory).

The requirements for graphics cards some are giving here are for gaming, image and video processing, the last time I checked, Logos 4 is primarily 2D thus needing memory more than anything else. The Geforce 9800 (recommended by someone else) is more than overkill, it would be a waste of money

Alain

Henry Finkle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/78443#Comment_78443

Can anyone maybe give an example of something that L4 might do to tax the cpu? This is just so I can test my own system.

When I use mine I haven't seen the cpu really being taxed unless it's indexing (I have a E8400). Right now I see more slowdowns with HD activity then cpu calculations. I also have slowdowns with graphics sometimes (not often) but I think it's more a video card thing (I only have 256mb on it). In the past when I had display problems it was never fully fixed with a better cpu unless I put in a better video card.

Ralph Mauch

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/78475#Comment_78475

I also have slowdowns with graphics sometimes (not often) but I think it's more a video card thing (I only have 256mb on it).

I had bought a new computer for the special person in my life, and tried loading L4 on it to see if it makes a difference. It has a AMD Phenom™ II X4 810* quad-core processor, 8GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM, 750GB Serial ATA hard drive (7200 rpm) ATI Radeon HD 4200 graphics which Features 256MB integrated shared graphics memory . At first I noticed that it was very fast with searches, but noticed that changes in my layouts at times did put some stress on my working with L4. Yup, probably should have gone with atleast a 1 gig graphic card. While working on this system is a lot better then my Pentium, I decided that for a replacement on my old cumputer I would get the i7 920 with 9 GB DDR3, and an 1.8 gig graphics card. I'll let you know in a week how that works[:D] While the new stuff is rated better, and probably cranks out more horses, the new Window 7, and Logos4 will do a lot better with the newer graphic cards!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/78423#Comment_78423

But to say that L4 doesn't use all four cores is a misstatement. There are times when it uses all eight cores of my i7 just to redraw screens or for updating many linked panels.

I guess that my usage doesn't impress much load on the second core of my Core 2 Duo, except when indexing! So that is a most interesting observation. My next notebook computer will definitely be quad core, but I'll wait a while in Oz for the situation to settle down for Win 7 64-bit and quad core.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/78443#Comment_78443

In other to compare apples to apples when it comes to GHz, one must have the same CPU architecture.

Yes, that was the caveat I left out!

There is nothing in Logos' own system requirements that indicates that one needs a powerful 3D graphic card (as opposed to merely a good Direct X9 supporting WDDM 1.0 or higher driver with at least 512 MB of memory).

I normally don't go much on graphics cards as an option for performance but the Aero feature of Vista and windows 7 has upped the ante for graphics cards. My 5 year old desktop running a single core Athlon XP at 2.1 GHz + a DX9 64 MB graphics card was improved with extra memory and then loaded Win 7 faster with a new 512 MB (AGP!) graphics card. This was a budget $AUD120 card, not a gaming card, but the desktop now runs L4 quite satisfactorily.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/78609#Comment_78609

I guess that my usage doesn't impress much load on the second core of my Core 2 Duo, except when indexing! So that is a most interesting observation. My next notebook computer will definitely be quad core, but I'll wait a while in Oz for the situation to settle down for Win 7 64-bit and quad core.

I'm not saying that it taxes my system either; just that it does use all of the cores. L4 is definietely designed to take advantage of threading to as many cores as your machine runs. I can run L4 acceptably on my dual-core laptop too. But if I start getting too many resources linked together, then the system starts taking a hit. That doesn't happen on my i7.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/78614#Comment_78614

I normally don't go much on graphics cards as an option for performance but the Aero feature of Vista and windows 7 has upped the ante for graphics cards. My 5 year old desktop running a single core Athlon XP at 2.1 GHz + a DX9 64 MB graphics card was improved with extra memory and then loaded Win 7 faster with a new 512 MB (AGP!) graphics card. This was a budget $AUD120 card, not a gaming card, but the desktop now runs L4 quite satisfactorily.

Agreed. And L4 is built on the Windows Presentation Foundation platform which is one of the reasons it works better with a really good graphics card. I'm using two monitors on my desktop and have a 9500 series graphics card with 1 gig of ddr2. That's an older card that I had to put in my new computer because the new card I ordered was defective. Hopefully, by the end of the week I'll have a 9800 series card with a gig of ddr3. I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of difference that will make.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/78675#Comment_78675

Wow, lots of replies over the weekend. Thanks for all the input. I guess I should have been a little more specific on what I am (and am not) seeing.

First the things I don't have a problem with:

I don't have any performance issues related to video. Draw speed is plenty fast, etc. I know the 7600GT is a couple of years old and "only" has 512MB of onboard RAM, but screen draw and aero performance are more than snappy (read instantaneous) on my 2 monitors (17" widescreen @ 1280x768 and 15" @ 1024x768). I don't see any benefit to upgrading to a 9xxx series or better at this point.

Logos 4 launch speed is fine. I haven't bothered to actually time it, but it doesn't take more than 5-10 seconds to hit the home page after launch. It "feels" like a long time just because everything else launches instantaneously due to the SSD...but I can certainly live with 5-10 seconds. As an aside, I didn't mention it since it's not really relevant to the discussion, but in addition to the 80GB SSD that Windows and all my programs reside on, I also have a 7200RPM 1.5TB drive for mass storage. It is primarily used for my photos (photography is a hobby of mine), music, and audio & video Bible commentaries (mostly Chuck Missler.)

I don't have many resources (<300) so indexing speed is also more than acceptable (<10 minutes). Also, I was playing around during the indexing and didn't notice any appreciable slowdown...so no problems there. I haven't checked processor usage during indexing, but it is largely irrelevant anyway since I'm not having any performance issues in this area.

Finally, while I appreciate all the suggestions to put the money toward an i7 upgrade, I just replaced my motherboard a few months ago due to some bizarre problems with my old one and also upgraded from 4 to 8GB of RAM at the same time...so I'm not exactly itching to replace those again so soon for a 20-40% performance improvement over a Core 2 Quad. If I do anything, I'd rather replace just my processor at the moment (if the benefit is there) and then look at a more significant upgrade 18-24 months from now when I can maybe get an 8-core "Sandy Bridge" or whatever else is coming down the pipe (I'm in the IT field, but haven't had as much time lately as I usually do to keep up on Intel's roadmap.) I can get a 3GHz Core 2 Quad for ~$300 whereas replacing the motherboard, RAM, and processor...and probably video card if I'm going to spring for the rest...would run $600+.

So, that leads me to the complaint that I DO have (if you can even call it a complaint, since it's not something I can't live with.) When I punch in a passage or topic, it takes me to the default layout pretty much instantly. The Bible pane and default commentary pane display immediately, but most of the passage guide sections have their "progress bars" going for about 20-30 seconds before their content displays. During that 20-30 seconds, task manager shows that both cores pegged at 100%. THAT is the main reason that I assumed that going from a dual-core to a same speed quad-core would bring an appreciable difference in this area.

So, with my clarifications out of the way...thoughts?

Thanks again for all the input and discussion!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/79050#Comment_79050

I just upgraded from Logos 3 Gold to Logos 4 Gold on my laptop. My laptop is not new, eight years old. It is INTEL CPU T2300 @ 1.66 Ghz, 1 GB RAM. Needless to say, every aspect of the computer is moving slowly today. I decided to upgrade and ordered a new laptop, but sadly, after seeing this forum, it looks like my computer will still be too slow. What do you think?

Here are the new specs:

Intel Core 2 Duo T6600, 2.2GHz, 800Mhz, 2M L2 Cache

RAM 4GB, DDR3, 1066MHz, 2 DIMM

Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD

Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/79050#Comment_79050

So, that leads me to the complaint that I DO have (if you can even call it a complaint, since it's not something I can't live with.) When I punch in a passage or topic, it takes me to the default layout pretty much instantly. The Bible pane and default commentary pane display immediately, but most of the passage guide sections have their "progress bars" going for about 20-30 seconds before their content displays. During that 20-30 seconds, task manager shows that both cores pegged at 100%. THAT is the main reason that I assumed that going from a dual-core to a same speed quad-core would bring an appreciable difference in this area.

So, with my clarifications out of the way...thoughts?

I don't think Passage Guide is worth $300! With the standard PG on my laptop (see below) I get c. 30 second times. My customised Passage Guide takes about 15 seconds because I don't need the graphical sections that take the extra time. If I want to see one of those sections then I use the Add button.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/79086#Comment_79086

it looks like my computer will still be too slow. What do you think?

My Core 2 duo 2.0 GHz runs L4 quite well, which means that it is 3 years old and is doing OK!

A new 2.2 GHz Core 2 Duo is not going to be much different and will not be adequate for the long term. Quad core is definitely the way to go, and if you are on a budget then look for a Core 2 Quad faster than 2.2 GHz rather than the newer Core i5/i7.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/79130#Comment_79130

Unfortunately, I ordered the computer yesterday, and Dell won't allow any changes! I had no idea that upgrading to LOGOS 4 would create all this mess, as my computer did a great job with Logos 3, and having attended a Morris Proctor seminar, had everything set up to do my studying. It was a huge financial step to buy a new laptop, and from what you said, it won't be good enough to make much of a difference. Man, do you have to be wealthy to use this software? [:(]

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/79086#Comment_79086

Gary I am running Logos Platinum. After adding in additional journals, books and commentaries, that brings me to 2370 resources. Your specs are similar to mine, except I have a built in graphics (dedicated memory is 64MB) card in my laptop, and the bus speed is 800. If I were to load this layout, it took 15 seconds to load the software, and the ESV, having previously loaded it, and runs ok.

You should see a significant increase in speed performance.

Opened the layout displayed, restarted the software, 15 seconds, took another 8 seconds to load the layout. I am running the latest Beta.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/79146#Comment_79146

Thanks for the encouragement, Lynden, and taking the time to post. I will know in a couple weeks when the laptop arrives...sure hope there is a noticeable difference.

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/79146#Comment_79146

How do I increase the amount of Ram dedicated to the graphics card? I have a total of 4GB. Running Windows 7 64 Bit.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/79136#Comment_79136

It was a huge financial step to buy a new laptop, and from what you said, it won't be good enough to make much of a difference. Man, do you have to be wealthy to use this software?

I meant that it won't make much difference to me, but it will be a definite improvement for you!

The notebook CPU market is moving fast, especially with 2x cheap Core i3 coming to market this year ("dual-core chips clocking at 2.93GHz, the Core i3 will be faster due to
the efficiencies of its 32nm Westmere-class design (compared to the
Core 2 Duo’s 45nm scale) and also boast superior graphics").

I'm sure you got a good bargain and with Win 7 and 4 GB fast memory you should be well satisfied.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/79122#Comment_79122

I don't think Passage Guide is worth $300! With the standard PG on my laptop (see below) I get c. 30 second times. My customised Passage Guide takes about 15 seconds because I don't need the graphical sections that take the extra time. If I want to see one of those sections then I use the Add button.

If I did upgrade, Logos wouldn't be the only reason (although it would be the primary one.) I have other programs that would benefit as well. With that said though, I hadn't thought of customizing the Passage Guide to remove sections I don't need. I'll give that a try and see if it makes a big difference.

Thanks!

Bryan Brodess

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/79182#Comment_79182

My home computer is intel core 2 quad 2.4 Ghz with 6 Gb ram, Windows 7 64 bit Geoforce 8800GTS 512.

I have a new laptop which is intel core 2 Duo 2.1 Ghz windows 7 32 bit. 4 gb ram, and a Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD (unknown memory)

I can say logos 4 runs faster on the home computer than the laptop. But really have no problems using either..

you should have no problem with your new dell!! Enjoy!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/79150#Comment_79150

Hey Lynden, it would be in setup when you first turn on the computer (probably hit F2 to enter setup at power on). There should be a section called "integrated devices" or "onboard devices" or something similar that should have a setting for changing the amount of video memory.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/79150#Comment_79150

How do I increase the amount of Ram dedicated to the graphics card? I have a total of 4GB. Running Windows 7 64 Bit.

Oops, I forgot to quote you in my previous reply...sorry about that.

BillS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/79198#Comment_79198

I can say logos 4 runs faster on the home computer than

..... than I do, no matter how slow my Core 2 Duo. [:D]

Blessings!

Bryan Brodess

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/79823#Comment_79823

I can say logos 4 runs faster on the home computer than
..... than I do, no matter how slow my Core 2 Duo.
Blessings!

[:D] Blessings yourself my brother!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/79829#Comment_79829

After a few days of dealing with Dell (UGH, as it truly tested my Christian patience, thanks Lord!), I was able to cancel my order, thanks to the interaction of the Better Business Bureau. Dell has an i7 laptop, but after the plethora of lies their customer service department barraged me with, I am hesitant to order from them.

I have found an Acer laptop on line, and a Christian brother who purchased one loves it. Here are the specs, and as Acer doesn't build to spec, I can't change things here. Before I order it, what do you guys think?

Operating System	Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
CPU Type	Intel Core i7 720QM(1.6GHz)
Screen	18.4"
Memory Size	4GB DDR3
Hard Disk	500GB
Optical Drive	BD Combo
Graphics Card	NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250M
Video Memory	1GB DDR3
Communication	Gigabit LAN and WLAN

Operating System	Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
CPU Type	Intel Core i7 720QM(1.6GHz)
Screen	18.4"
Memory Size	4GB DDR3
Hard Disk	500GB
Optical Drive	BD Combo
Graphics Card	NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250M
Video Memory	1GB DDR3
Communication	Gigabit LAN and WLAN

Operating System	Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
CPU Type	Intel Core i7 720QM(1.6GHz)
Screen	18.4"
Memory Size	4GB DDR3
Hard Disk	500GB
Optical Drive	BD Combo
Graphics Card	NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250M
Video Memory	1GB DDR3
Communication	Gigabit LAN and WLAN

Intel Core i7 720 QM (1.6 GHz), Windows 7 64-bit Home Premium, Memory 4GB DDR3, 500 GB Hard disk, NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250M Dedicated Graphics Card, Video Memory 1GB DDR3, Intel PM55 Chipset. Price is pretty good, lower than the much slower Dell.

Thanks in advance for your experience! Blessings,

Garry

I sat at a David Hocking teaching of Ephesians last night with me old laptop, and added notes into LOGOS 3, because my computer is slower than pond water when operating LOGOS 4. Looking forward to getting up to speed and learning the new bells and whistles.

Paul Strickert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/80801#Comment_80801

Looks terrific! How much will it cost you? Is the RAM upgradable?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/80809#Comment_80809

$1350...Can't change the system before it is shipped, but can upgrade RAM on my own. Will I need it?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/80801#Comment_80801

Intel Core i7 720 QM (1.6 GHz), Windows 7 64-bit Home Premium, Memory 4GB DDR3, 500 GB Hard disk, NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250M Dedicated Graphics Card, Video Memory 1GB DDR3, Intel PM55 Chipset. Price is pretty good, lower than the much slower Dell.

You are right up there with the latest/best Intel mobile chipset now! It runs 2.8 GHz on a single core out of its 4. Just check you can slip more than 4 GB in there!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/80848#Comment_80848

Thanks, Dave...I am blessed that there are people like you to answer my questions, as this is certainly not my area of expertise. May God bless you!

Garry

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/80816#Comment_80816

$1350

I don't suggest you to buy such an expansive computer. I would recommend that you buy at most 750.

One suggestion is this:

Model
Brand	TOSHIBA
Series	Satellite
Model	U505-S2005PK
Part#	PSU9BU-014004
General
Operating System	Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
CPU Type	Intel Core i3-330M(2.13GHz)
Screen	13.3" WXGA
Memory Size	4GB DDR3
Hard Disk	500GB
Optical Drive	DVD Super Multi
Graphics Card	Intel GMA HD
Video Memory	Shared memory
Communication	LAN and WLAN
Card slot	1 x Express Card
Battery Life	3.60 hours
Dimensions	12.50" x 9.08" x 1.16" - 1.50"
Weight	4.74 lbs.
CPU
CPU Type	Intel Core i3
CPU Speed	330M(2.13GHz)
Chipset
Chipset	Intel HM55
Display
Screen Size	13.3"
Wide Screen Support	Yes
Display Type	Wide XGA
Resolution	1280 x 800
Operating Systems
Operating System	Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Graphics
GPU/VPU	Intel HD
Video Memory	Shared system memory
Graphic Type	Integrated Card
Hard Drive
HDD	500GB
HDD RPM	5400rpm
HDD Interface	SATA
HDD Spec	TOSHIBA Hard Drive Impact Sensor (3D sensor)
Memory
Memory	4GB
Memory Speed	DDR3 1066
Memory Spec	2GB x 2
Memory Type	204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM
Memory Slot (Total)	2
Memory Slot (Available)	0
Max Memory Supported	8GB
Optical Drive
Optical Drive Type	DVD Super Multi
Optical Drive Interface	Integrated
Optical Drive Spec	DVD SuperMulti drive with Labelflash supporting 11 formats Maximum speed and compatibility: CD-ROM (24x), CD-R (24x), CD-RW (16x), DVD-ROM (8x), DVD-R (Single Layer, (8x)), DVD-R (Double Layer, (4x)), DVD-RW (6x), DVD+R (Single Layer, (8x)), DVD+R (Double Layer, (4x)), DVD+RW (8x), DVD-RAM (5x) Uses Labelflash media to burn high quality labels directly to disc
Communications
LAN	10/100Mbps
WLAN	802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN
Ports
Card Slot	1 x ExpressCard slot (ExpressCard/34 and ExpressCard/54)
USB	3 x USB ( 2 USB + 1 eSATA/USB combo)
Video Port	RGB (monitor) output port HDMI-CEC (REGZA LINK)
Audio Ports	Yes
Audio
Audio	Dolby Sound Room
Speaker	Built-in stereo speakers
Input Device
Touchpad	Toshiba TouchPad
Keyboard	Premium US LED keyboard (gray)
Supplemental Drive
Card Reader	Memory Card Reader Secure Digital, Secure Digital High Capacity, Memory Stick, Memory Stick PRO, Multi Media Card, xD Picture Card [shared slot]
Webcam	Yes
Power
AC Adapter	65W (19V x 3.42A) Auto-sensing,100-240V/50-60Hz AC Adapter
Battery	6 cell (4800 mAh) Lithium Ion battery pack
Battery Life	3.60 hours
Physical spec
Dimensions	12.50" x 9.08" x 1.16" - 1.50"
Weight	4.74 lbs.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/97837#Comment_97837

But of course you can buy a more expensive model. What I mean is expensive model depreciate very fast. So one would rather replace it frequently (~3years)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/97838#Comment_97838

The model I want to buy is actually this:

Model
Brand	ASUS
Model	A52JR-X1
General
Operating System	Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
CPU Type	Intel Core i5 430M(2.26GHz)
Screen	15.6"
Memory Size	4GB DDR3
Hard Disk	500GB
Optical Drive	DVD Super Multi
Graphics Card	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470
Video Memory	1GB DDR3 VRAM
Communication	Gigabit LAN and WLAN
Dimensions	15.20" x 10.20" x 1.40"
Weight	5.80 lbs.
CPU
CPU Type	Intel Core i5
CPU Speed	430M(2.26GHz)
Chipset
Chipset	Intel HM55
Display
Screen Size	15.6"
Wide Screen Support	Yes
Resolution	1366 x 768
LCD Features	LED backlight
Operating Systems
Operating System	Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Graphics
GPU/VPU	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470
Video Memory	1GB DDR3 VRAM
Graphic Type	Dedicated Card
Hard Drive
HDD	500GB
HDD RPM	5400rpm
Memory
Memory	4GB
Memory Type	204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM
Memory Slot (Total)	2
Optical Drive
Optical Drive Type	DVD Super Multi
Optical Drive Interface	Integrated
Communications
LAN	10/100/1000Mbps
WLAN	802.11bgn Wireless LAN
Ports
USB	3
Video Port	1 x VGA, 1 x HDMI
Audio Ports	Yes
Audio
Audio	Integrated Sound card
Speaker	Internal Speakers
Input Device
Touchpad	Yes
Keyboard	Standard
Supplemental Drive
Card Reader	4-in-1 Card Reader, SD, MMC, MS, MS PRO
Webcam	0.3MP
Power
Battery	6-cell lithium ion
Physical spec
Dimensions	15.20" x 10.20" x 1.40"
Weight	5.80 lbs.
Manufacturer Warranty
Parts	2 years limited
Labor	2 years limited

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/97846#Comment_97846

So interesting to see the Logos has actually made us to consider to buy a new computer. I never think that I need a fast computer, before I purchase Logos4.

Daniel Arnott

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/97847#Comment_97847

Kolen. The drive speed is slow. I noticed a big jump if you can get a machine with a 7200 rpm drive

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/98100#Comment_98100

a big jump if you can get a machine with a 7200 rpm drive

really? Thanks. I will take that into account. Do you have a good suggestion?

Well, because of the Logos, I need to consider to buy a new laptop. Well, who can think that Bible study can be so computationally demanding?

Interesting. And that's great! I can now tell the others: I need to buy a "game station" to have the best entertainment in the world: studying Bible!

By the way, one solution is to buy that laptop and buy this: 500GB 7200RPM, costing USD55.99 only.

Rick Harrell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/79136#Comment_79136

Man, do you have to be wealthy to use this software?

At least well off enough to buy more computer than either of mine that ran LDLS 3 well.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/98214#Comment_98214

I have found a great deal from Asus:

Model (ASUS)	K52JR-A1	K42JR-A1
ASUS	http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=CyyiEd0t9iKZ6Afg	http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=7O998GVGxD882pyg
Amazon	http://www.amazon.com/K52JR-A1-15-6-Inch-Versatile-Entertainment-Laptop/dp/tech-data/B00352LQSA/ref=de_a_smtd	http://www.amazon.com/K42JR-A1-14-Inch-Versatile-Entertainment-Laptop/dp/B00352LQOE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1267310751&sr=1-1
USD	872.03	$872.03
HKD	6758.2325	6758.2325
CPU	2.53GHz Intel Core i5-430M Processor	2.53GHz Intel Core i5-430M Processor
HDD	500GB Hard Drive (7200 RPM)	500GB Hard Drive (7200 RPM)
RAM	4GB of DDR3 1066MHz DRAM	4GB of DDR3 1066MHz DRAM
Screen	15.6-Inch	14-Inch
OS	Windows 7 Home Premium (64 bit) Operating System	Windows 7 Home Premium (64 bit) Operating System
weight (pound)	5.8	5.3

Jonathan Burke

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/98225#Comment_98225

This thread has been interesting to me, because I've been wondering which components make the greatest difference to Logos 4.

My current specifications:

* Core i7 920
* 12 GB RAM (OCZ Platinum, 7-7-7, in triple channel)
* GeForce GTX 295 single PCB
* System drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue (500 GB)
* Storage drive A: Western Digital Caviar Black (1 TB); Logos 4 is on this drive
* Storage drive B: Western Digital Greenpower (750 GB)

Searches are fast. Results are displayed promptly. However, moving between pages in the search results takes a couple of seconds. Passage and exegetical guide searches typically take around five seconds. Changing layouts takes five to ten seconds. This surprises me given my system specifications.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/98264#Comment_98264

Wow... your computer is SO powerful.

What I can suggest (to Logos) is to improve the indexing. I would suggest Logos to include several indexing options, say, basic and advanced. So, the current indexing is the basic one, and add one more indexing method which takes much longer time and much larger storage. e.g. for 20GB of resources, roughly take ~20GB storage to do the indexing. Then actually many of the operation can be pre-calculated to enhance the speed. Users with larger HDD (20GB more is actually not large) can use this option, which might take ~1 day to index, but it would save those "seconds" in the manipulation.

And I think that this indexing actually help the not-so-powerful computer a lot. Since this method "steal" the time from the pre-calculation and the only requirement is to wait much longer at the very beginning and to have a larger HDD. I guess usually for a not-so-powerful computer, HDD storage are usually not the problem, but the CPU, RAM, etc. So, I would say this 2nd method should help all the situations a lot.

Emery Horvath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/98264#Comment_98264

Jonathan,

I have the same results on passage guide loads and layout changes - 5-10 seconds as you do. Wonder what's up with it?

Searches are extremely fast: though - for example - searched for 'God' in a library of 1849 books - 2,179,984 hits in 378,876 articles in 2.79 sec.

Current configuration: i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67 GHZ

64 bit Windows Home Premium

9GB Ram DDR3 1068 MHZ

Video card - NVIDIA Geforce GTX 260 - 1792 MB Ram

HD - 1 TB - 7200 RPM