Logos 4 via a Web Browser: Yet Another Beta
If you visit http://library.logos.com on your mobile web browser (via a phone) you'll get access to our beta mobile web access.
Visit http://library.logos.com/?beta=true and you can access your library via a desktop browser. And this should look a lot more like the software.
This is "very beta", and there are lots of known issues, but we're interested in hearing your thoughts on what it is, and what it should become.
Thanks!
-- Bob
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love the simplicity (desktop version) think you are headed in right direction
Never Deprive Anyone of Hope.. It Might Be ALL They Have
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I do like it. Especially the window management. It shows me how many resources are still unavailable on the mobile side of things, though. I went looking for a one-volume whole bible commentary, and the only one I could find was JFB.
I tried a bible search and it was fast, but the results were from the HCSB, which is not in my top bibles, and Luther's Works was one of the collections available for the bible search. I guess there's much work to be done.
Keep up the good work!
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Bob Pritchett said:
If you visit http://library.logos.com on your mobile web browser (via a phone) you'll get access to our beta mobile web access.
Visit http://library.logos.com/?beta=true and you can access your library via a desktop browser. And this should look a lot more like the software.
This is "very beta", and there are lots of known issues, but we're interested in hearing your thoughts on what it is, and what it should become.
Thanks!
-- Bob
Bob, this is the way it is supposed to be! Love the concept, can't wait to see the implementation. Now all we need to do is add Google Gears for offline access.
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I like the windows management too...it's great to be able to move tabs around within a browser. Very impressive for being "very beta." Search results were returned very quickly.
Wylie, TX
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Looks great. I tried in Firefox 3.5.7 and it did not work. It works in Internet Explorer.
Also, this is not our complete library - it seems to be the same library released to iPhone, right?
Blessings-
John
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MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Very cool.
My thoughts for the web version is that it would be that it would be accessed in any one of three scenarios and should have those aims in mind:
- Public Web Portal: When away from home (like at a library or office computer), this is a perfect solution to being able to access Logos. Many times these portals will not be top of the line computers and sometimes are constrained to running older-generation web browsers because IT hasn't gotten around to updating them. So keep in mind old computers and mildly limited browser capabilities.
- Quick Access: If I'm writing an email and want to look something up real quick I often bypass the Logos4 app and just open my web browser to a quick-loading Bible. This will likely be many people's primary use for this; and therefore speed and quick navigation to a basic Bible should be kept in mind.
- Old-computers/Terminal-like Netbooks: On older/slower computers at home that can't handle Logos4 (or where we can't afford all the hard-drive space), I could see the web-interface becoming a primary means to accessing my digital library. For example, my netbook handles Logos4 well, but start up time is slow, indexing is brutal, and running reports is painful and often temporarily hangs the computer. If the library.logos.com for pc becomes relatively full featured for basic use (Reports, note taking, highlighting, syncs to my desktop stuff, & more books available) I could see it being my primarily Logos on a netbook.
I'm excited to beta-test it. Let us know when you actually want us to start submitting bug-reports (or provide a known issues list so we can provide you with unknown issues).
Thanks for always striving to make our library more useful and therefore more valuable to us.
Seems to work within Google chrome.
Jacob Hantla
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John Fugh, Jr. said:
I tried in Firefox 3.5.7 and it did not work.
What didn't work for you? It appears to be working ok for me in FF 3.5.7.
John Fugh, Jr. said:Also, this is not our complete library - it seems to be the same library released to iPhone, right?
Correct. Library.logos.com (both mobile and standard versions) and the iphone share the same resource permissions. As we work with publishers you will see resources become available in all 3 places.
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Did a bible search which brought up several verses, clicked on the verse link and it opens a file dialogue box with options to "Find" "Save" or "Cancel". I know it's beta - but for now - clicking a link to a verse within a search doesn't open a bible to the verse selected.
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When I do a Bible search, it comes up with a list of hits as expected (all from the NLT, by the way), but when I click on the link for a search hit it fails to open the selected passage. Instead it tries to download a file with a name like LLS$1.0.171. I'm using Firefox 3.5.7.
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Anyone try accessing via a Kindle? How does it appear?
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Just did a quick look via Chrome 4.0.2 on a Mac, and it looked great! Thanks guys!
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Peter Venable said:
When I do a Bible search, it comes up with a list of hits as expected (all from the NLT, by the way), but when I click on the link for a search hit it fails to open the selected passage. Instead it tries to download a file with a name like LLS$1.0.171. I'm using Firefox 3.5.7.
I do not have that behavior in chrome. I have it open that verse in my preferred Bible (ESV) in another panel like Logos4 does.
I love the approach of "emulating"/mimicking Logos4
Jacob Hantla
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it worked in FF after i turned off Adblock Plus for library.logos.com
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LaRosa Johnson said:
it worked in FF after i turned off Adblock Plus for library.logos.com
Interesting, since we don't have any ads on the site, and I also run adblock plus but haven't seen this problem. Thanks for the tip
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Bob Pritchett said:
If you visit http://library.logos.com on your mobile web browser (via a phone) you'll get access to our beta mobile web access.
Visit http://library.logos.com/?beta=true and you can access your library via a desktop browser. And this should look a lot more like the software.
This is "very beta", and there are lots of known issues, but we're interested in hearing your thoughts on what it is, and what it should become.
Thanks!
-- Bob
THAT IS AMAZING !
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I have not tested the site with a Kindle, but I doubt it will work very well. The site is very javascript heavy, and probably won't work in anything other than a full desktop browser.
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Bob Pritchett said:
If you visit http://library.logos.com on your mobile web browser (via a phone) you'll get access to our beta mobile web access.
Visit http://library.logos.com/?beta=true and you can access your library via a desktop browser. And this should look a lot more like the software.
This is "very beta", and there are lots of known issues, but we're interested in hearing your thoughts on what it is, and what it should become.
Thanks!
-- Bob
The homepage button does not seem to work on any of the browsers I am using. Mozilla, Opera, Ie, and flock
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Blair Laird said:
The homepage button does not seem to work
There is no home page yet
It's just a placeholder for now.
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Blair Laird said:
access your library via a desktop browser.
I do not have one of the "special" phones, but (even with slow codes) this is very interesting!
Thanks so much for the look (and tryout).
Regards, SteveF
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Thanks.. When I click my library tab, my library stays open even if I click off. It also does not continue to load my books unless I keep scrolling down. If I dont scroll down it just stays there and does not load more books.
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Bryan Smith said:Blair Laird said:
The homepage button does not seem to work
There is no home page yet
It's just a placeholder for now.
Ok, so how long does it take to load my library ? I am missing my theology bundle collection and my apologetics collection. I typed in Norman Geisler and nothing showed up .
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Blair Laird said:
Thanks.. When I click my library tab, my library stays open even if I click off.
It's just a toggle button for now. You'll have to click the tab again to close it (or open one of the resources).
Blair Laird said:It also does not continue to load my books unless I keep scrolling down. If I dont scroll down it just stays there and does not load more books.
That's the correct behavior. If we try to load your entire library at once it will take a long time to load & you'll waste bandwidth downloading tons of cover images. Typing into the filter list still filters your entire library, not just what's loaded.
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Bryan Smith said:
You'll have to click the tab again to close it (or open one of the resources).
Cool, it works. I just pressed refresh on the browser and it disappeared also.
Bryan Smith said:That's the correct behavior.
Makes sense..
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Bryan Smith said:
Typing into the filter list still filters your entire library, not just what's loaded.
Any idea on the missing resources ?
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Looks like a possible Linux solution, or better characterized as a OS agnostic Logos 4 browser based solution. [;)]
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They may not be available online yet. We have to get special permission from publishers to make them available online. See this thread for a list of available resources:
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oh, ok looks like I have resources available that are not in that list. I guess I'm doing pretty good
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Excellent!
Really like where Logos is going with this!
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Bryan, are all users of logos able to access this beta? For example my father in-law has not upgraded to version 4 as of yet, he is still using version 3. Thanks in advance. God Bless
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Blair Laird said:
Bryan, are all users of logos able to access this beta? For example my father in-law has not upgraded to version 4 as of yet, he is still using version 3.
You must have a Logos 4 base package to access your resources. If you don't have a L4 base package you'll only see our free resources, of which there are about 30.
We are currently not restricting access to the site, however, there is a reason this is posted in the beta forum
It still has a lot of bugs, a lot of missing functionality, and will probably get some down time. It's also not officially supported yet, so I wouldn't recommend relying on.0 -
Bryan Smith said:
They may not be available online yet. We have to get special permission from publishers to make them available online. See this thread for a list of available resources:
Please add RST - Russian Synodal Translation. I believe it may be in the public domain and it is a free resource in L3/L4.
Vladimir
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Blair Laird said:
Bryan, are all users of logos able to access this beta? For example my father in-law has not upgraded to version 4 as of yet, he is still using version 3. Thanks in advance. God Bless
Hi Blair,
I'm sure you know this... but I can't resist saying it anyway on the off chance you haven't thought of it. Bryan's already given you the technical answer. If your f-i-l is considering upgrading or crossgrading, he has about 11 days left... Don't let him miss out. [:)]
And then, as Bryan said, he could run the beta if he chooses to.
And if (like some of us, including me) he leaves L3 installed, but uses one of the scripts in Logos' blog to install the new L4 resources back into L3, he'll have the backup that Bryan recommends.
Blessings!
Grace & Peace,
Bill
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Pretty awesome!
Note to self: take web based alternative off of what Logos should do with $1-10 million list.
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Over time, web access to one's library should become more and more like what we have in the desktop version (as far as featuires and capabilities go). A good analogy to the Logos 4 situation is the Outlook e-mail client for Exchange server access (such as in large companies). Exchange server e-mail users who traveled clamored for a more portable solution for access to e-mail, especially for those situations where they did not have access to their desktop Outlook client. To respond to that, Microsoft came out with web access to Exchange e-mail via their "OWA" (Outlook Web Access) solution. It was crude at first, you could not access your Outlook Calendar, for example. But over the years, Microsoft improved the richness of OWA to the point today where most OWA users are very happy with it, and many Exchange server e-mail users exclusively use OWA for access to their Exchange e-mail. I think Logos is heading in the right direction to do this. I can think of people right now who don't need anything more than web browser access to Logos resources, for whom a desktop Logos client is cumbersome to install, configure, backup, etc., and just one more thing to have to deal with when buying a new computer or dealing with downloads and licenses, etc. At the same time, many of us rely heavily on our Logos 4 desktop client, and we see web access as supplemental, not primary. For those of us like that, we want to see the desktop client and other solutions, such as web access, remain as parallel solutions, and not a case where one day web access replaces desktop client access.
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I just hope the desktop client never goes away. As good as OWA is, for power email users who wish to control their own operating environment, it can't do what the desktop client does. Tim explained beautifully the dual-roles of web/desktop versions, I hope Logos never sees one version doing the job of both types of users.
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For those of you who use the mobile version of Library, you will need to visit
http://library.logos.com?beta=false
In order to access the mobile version of the site again, otherwise you will probably get an unhelpful error.
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Wow...this is really cool.
I'd tried to use the cell version on my work PC, but wasn't enamored with that experience...this one shows a lot more promise. I hope it continues; I'd plan to use it while on trips.
Hopefully if I use it from a hotel (public use) PC it won't leave my account data behind. Logos for netbooks ;-)
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Love it. Blogged about it.
One thing I have noticed. A search returns links that say Chapter 1 NKJV or whatever reference. But then never tell you what book of the bible or verse it is in. It would be much more helpful if it gave the reference.
EDIT: OK that was while doing a Basic search instead of a Bible search. Bible search does return links with reference in link.
Also, when I went back to it after leaving and did same search, the link then asks to open a file and wants to know what software to use.
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Wow! This is great so far for being very beta. I truly can't wait to see what develops here. This may solve my dilema. I've been wanting a notebook for the rare times when I want or need to be portable but I don't want to fork over the money to buy a powerful notebook for L4. This might just be an answer enabling "study light" on a cheap notebook with any power study happening on my desktop.
Assuming: Notes, highlighting, etc will sync with it in the future.
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
Love it. Blogged about it.
Kevin, would you mind taking the post down? This is a beta, not a public release, which is why we posted it here in the "PC Beta" forum.
I'm sorry we weren't more explicit pointing that out earlier.
It's just so early that we don't want it exposed to people who aren't active participants in the beta and discussion here.
UPDATE: I got confused about which was the private forum. This isn't. :-) But still, I'd prefer to keep discussion and announcement here, and not to be broadcasting it more widely yet. It's very far from done, and we aren't even committed to this look / interface / domain name, etc. yet.
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Worked in firefox for me, but is totally non-functional in chrome.
On my blackberry when I try to sign in, it signs me in but takes me to logos.com, not library.logos.com. When I go back to library.logos.com I am not signed in, and the whole process repeats itself.
Edit: missed the "?beta=false" that goes at the end of library.logos.com. When I did that it worked fine on my blackberry.
Edit 2: Chrome is somewhat functional, at first I could not open a book, then I could, but often I had to click the book 4 or 5 times to finally get it to open, it is not this way at all in firefox.
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Just fantastic - thanks!
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Nice work, I like what's up thus far.
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Incredible! Perfect! Bible study to a new level: on the go..! Anywhere and everywhere! Awesome.
Luuk
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Ok, what's the odds that this web-based Logos4 will tie into Apple's iSlate/Tablet thing on the 27th of this month.........Mmmmm
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Bob Pritchett said:
Kevin, would you mind taking the post down?
deleted the tweet and removed my post
Was tempted to not since you did announce in a public forum. But I'm a good boy and do as I'm told.
Looking forward to sharing with others.
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Grace & Peace,
Bill
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Wow, I am very impressed with this. I was shocked how smoothly it does what it does - the library list and tab behavior. It also scrolls very smoothly through resources, downloading only what it needs (much more smoothly, in fact, than my regular L4 install which, despite contacting support, still crashes every time I try to use it!).
I use the mobile version fairly frequently on a smartphone, and I see this desktop web version also being very useful, especially if some of the guides are implemented and the word study functionality is carried over from the mobile version (can't find a way to lookup a Greek word yet). I like it for the same reason I like gmail - I can access the same (quality) functionality from anywhere without the needing to take my own computer everywhere or have fairly advanced hardware.
You may already be aware of these, but here are a couple of problems/limitations I noticed:
In Google Chrome, when I do a Bible search and click on the link to open the resulting references, it tries to download a file (like "LLS$1.0.1026") instead of opening the resource. It works fine in IE.
Also, I notice that there is currently no way to view full footnotes when the note is longer than will fit in the tooltip. For instance, viewing the NET Bible on the mobile version gives the full notes at the bottom of the page, but on the beta desktop web version there is no "bottom of the page" (since it just scrolls later in the surface text).
Again, I'm very impressed both with this app and with the general pace at which Logos is developing helpful new tools on the desktop, mobile, and web fronts. Thanks!
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