Logos Now and Logos 7

I have no idea why the paragraphs did not show on the OP

What I would like clarified: If I have Logos Now, and I choose to buy Logos 7 base package, will have get a discount? This has been my understanding. Logos Now gives you access to Logos 7 features now before Logos 7 is available. We pay for that access. And we keep it as long as we have Logos Now. But after Logos 7 comes out, we have the option of purchasing a base package at a discounted price and we would permanently have Logos 7 features. We still can continue Logos Now subscription to receive Logos 8 features before Logos 8 comes out. This has been my understanding. Is it correct?

That's not what Phil is saying.

He's saying that there will be two configurations of Logos 7:

Full Logos 7
Books-only Logos 7 (i.e. without Logos Now datasets and features)

If you buy the "books-only" Logos 7 and have an active Logos Now subscription, you'll get the same functionality as full Logos 7 — but you'll have to keep on paying your subscription. Presumably if you later cancelled your subscription but wanted to retain most of the functionality, you could purchase full Logos 7 on dynamic pricing.

In other words, Logos Now users won't get a discount on Logos 7. Instead, they'll be able to purchase a cheaper version of Logos 7 because they won't need all the features and datasets.

If my last package was Logos 6 and now I want to purchase, say, Logos 10 base package, would it have been better to never have had Logos Now?

Having had Logos Now in the past is of no consequence when you purchase a base package. What's important is whether you're willing to commit to Logos Now in the future.

In other words, Logos 7 and later will be available as a purchase option (without Logos Now), and as a part-purchase/part-rental option (with Logos Now).

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811173#Comment_811173

I have no idea why the paragraphs did not show on the OP

are you on a Mac? about 10 percent of the time the formatting pallet doesn't load for me. When that happens, paragraph breaks are ignored. Sometimes posting and reopening will bring the pallet back... But not always. Afaik, this is a Mac only issue.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811211#Comment_811211

are you on a Mac?

No, on Windows. This has not happened before, but after many edits, I got is basically corrected

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811190#Comment_811190

That's not what Phil is saying.

He's saying that there will be two configurations of Logos 7:

Full Logos 7

Books-only Logos 7 (i.e. without Logos Now datasets and features)

Thanks Mark. Unfortunately, that was not my understanding. I understood that Logos Now meant getting features before Logos 7, and then when Logos 7 comes out, I can purchase a full logos 7 base package with dynamic pricing since I had been paying for Logos Now for x amounts of months. I saw it more as a way to ease the price tag once the full version came out. I guess I was wrong.

Phil Gons (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811190#Comment_811190

Mark has it right.

Logos 7 will most likely be available in two different ways: full ownership (effectively like Logos 6 is today) and partial ownership (library ownership + Now subscription).

Here's what the two options would look like for Logos 7 Gold:

Full ownership: purchase and own the Logos 7 Gold base package, which is made up of Logos 7 Gold library (the books) and the Logos 7 Core software (the features, datasets, interactives, etc.).
Library ownership / software subscription: purchase and own the Logos 7 Gold library (the books) and subscribe (or continue to subscribe) to Logos Now (the features, datasets, interactives, etc.).

Putting some (made up) numbers to it, as a Logos 6 Gold owner you'd pay $500 to upgrade to the full Logos 7 Gold base package and own all of the new books as well as the features, datasets, interactives, etc.

A Logos 6 Gold owner who has a Logos Now subscription you'd pay only $250 to buy full ownership of the Logos 7 Gold library. You won't need to buy the Logos 7 Core, since you already have access to all of that (and more) with your Logos Now subscription. (If you later decide that Logos Now isn't for you, you'd be able to purchase the Logos 7 Core or another full Logos 7 base package to regain access to the Logos 7 features.)

Of course, it's possible that we could do something extra special for Logos Now subscribers, like being the first to learn about Logos 7 or getting a special offer or an extra discount or a free bonus gift or . . . . But we haven't decided anything yet, and we'd want to keep that a special surprise.

The point is that there's a built-in discount for Logos Now subscribers because we're planning to make the library part purchasable separately from the software.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811220#Comment_811220

then when Logos 7 comes out, I can purchase a full logos 7 base package with dynamic pricing since I had been paying for Logos Now for x amounts of months.

Logos Now has always been about rental, not purchase. It's about getting features now, not discounts in the future (the clue is in the name [;)]).

Phil Gons (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811220#Comment_811220

I understood that Logos Now meant getting features before Logos 7, and then when Logos 7 comes out, I can purchase a full logos 7 base package with dynamic pricing since I had been paying for Logos Now for x amounts of months.

This is partially correct, with a clarification or two. (1) Dynamic pricing takes into consideration only what you have full ownership of. So you wouldn't get dynamic pricing for the items in Logos Now, which you have only access to. (The reason for this is that a user could sign up to Now, upgrade to 7, cancel Now, and effectively get all the features, datasets, etc. for free.) (2) And if we did decide to do something extra special for Now subscribers (see below), it likely wouldn't correspond to how long you've been subscribing.

I saw it more as a way to ease the price tag once the full version came out. I guess I was wrong.

See my previous post. We haven't decided yet if we'll do something extra special for Logos Now subscribers for the launch. We've designed a model that will already allow Now subscribers to get a really great deal on a Logos 7 library. But we reserve the right to go above and beyond and surprise and delight.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811224#Comment_811224

Phil

I do understand your email and the issue. And it makes sense. I just had a different understanding of it. But I do understand the problem of someone signing up and then cancelling.

Milkman

Just so I understand.

When is L7 to be released?

Is this a free platform or does it require an upgrade to L7 Gold.

Maybe direct me to link that explains all this.

mm.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811226#Comment_811226

When is L7 to be released?

This has not been announced yet.

EastTN

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811221#Comment_811221

Logos 7 will most likely be available in two different ways: full ownership (effectively like Logos 6 is today) and partial ownership (library ownership + Now subscription).

Here's what the two options would look like for Logos 7 Gold:

Full ownership: purchase and own the Logos 7 Gold base package, which is made up of Logos 7 Gold library (the books) and the Logos 7 Core software (the features, datasets, interactives, etc.).

Library ownership / software subscription: purchase and own the Logos 7 Gold library (the books) and subscribe (or continue to subscribe) to Logos Now (the features, datasets, interactives, etc.).

I'm very pleased to hear this. This approach would fully address my concerns as someone who, for a variety of reasons, prefers the ownership approach.

mike

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811224#Comment_811224

This is partially correct, with a clarification or two. (1) Dynamic pricing takes into consideration only what you have full ownership of. So you wouldn't get dynamic pricing for the items in Logos Now, which you have only access to. (The reason for this is that a user could sign up to Now, upgrade to 7, cancel Now, and effectively get all the features, datasets, etc. for free.) (2) And if we did decide to do something extra special for Now subscribers (see below), it likely wouldn't correspond to how long you've been subscribing.

Phil,

What happen if I'm a Logos Now subscriber and will continue to be Logos Now subscriber after 7, .... and I want to purchase the FULL Logos 7 Collectors the day it comes out? What perks are different?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811226#Comment_811226

Is this a free platform or does it require an upgrade to L7 Gold.

The MO has always been that the software is free, the resources and datasets you pay for. With Logos Now, that remains the same, except that you can choose to "rent" the datasets via Now, or purchase in a base package.

When is L7 to be released?

The point of Phil's comments weren't to announce when L7 will be released... <whisper mode on> but base on past history and official comments, my guess is that it will be late fall <whisper mode off>

Dave Thawley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811221#Comment_811221

ere's what the two options would look like for Logos 7 Gold:

Full ownership: purchase and own the Logos 7 Gold base package, which is made up of Logos 7 Gold library (the books) and the Logos 7 Core software (the features, datasets, interactives, etc.).

Library ownership / software subscription: purchase and own the Logos 7 Gold library (the books) and subscribe (or continue to subscribe) to Logos Now (the features, datasets, interactives, etc.).

Hi Phil,

My concern with this is that If I buy a full version of Logos 7, there would be a continued drift in functionality as Logos Now develops meaning I would end up paying for the full version and then have to pay extra for the extra features of Logos Now ? This is an important factor to consider :-)

Thanks

Dave

Tyson Heyn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811255#Comment_811255

I think worrying about Logos Now vs. Logos 7 pricing is a red herring for most users in these forums. The greater concern to me is that continued price inflation of books. I ran a quick little price check on previous purchases and guesstimate that resources tend to increase 6-8% in price each year. It's really a shame--my purchases circa 2010 seem to be much more competitive with conventional books at the time, and now, many of them cost 40ish% more...for nothing! Everyone keeps telling me that FL needs the money to keep investing in new technology, but isn't that why we purchase Logos Now and Logos 7?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811260#Comment_811260

Everyone keeps telling me that FL needs the money to keep investing in new technology, but isn't that why we purchase Logos Now and Logos 7?

FL certainly wants to move more customers to being Logos Now subscribers to help level out cash flow... but it is a brand new thing. As for purchasing base packages (i.e. L7), that goes more towards development of the software, not of maintaining and creating resource files.

Tyson Heyn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811261#Comment_811261

I agree! That's my point. But I've been told more than once on these forums that I should be happy to pay for ever-increasing book costs because it funds the engine. I don't know if they're simply trying to be apologists for FL, but at some point, the cost of "maintaining" digital content can't be going up 6-8% year.

That's where I struggle with FL. I run my own business! It's similar to FL in that it's a monopoly of sorts with a worldwide customer base. In a sense, there's no substitute for either of our services. But I haven't raised any core prices in probably 3-4 years simply because I know how tight everyone's budget is.

With FL, whose target markets are mostly churches and pastors and those training for such ministry, I think there should be a bit more empathy. I'm all for capitalism and profitability, but at some point, you also realize that there's a greater purpose you're serving, and you have to lay off the cutthroat, profit-maximizing nature to some degree. Just because you CAN charge something doesn't mean that you SHOULD. Offering a limited-time March Madness sale in one hand doesn't make up for the long-term price increases in the other.

Sorry for venting. I love the product, but I also think they're damaging their brand with their uncompetitive pricing.

Greg Corbin

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811241#Comment_811241

I agree with EastTN. I prefer ownership, but also see where things are moving to a subscription model. LogosNow can be a "win win" for both FaithLife and those of us who prefer to own but are willing to subscribe in addition to that. Personally, I have been waiting to give my final judgment on LogosNow when Logos 7 comes out and I see exactly what I pay and what I pay for.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811260#Comment_811260

The greater concern to me is that continued price inflation of books. I ran a quick little price check on previous purchases and guesstimate that resources tend to increase 6-8% in price each year.

I appreciate your concern about this but, if you don't mind, I'd like to ask how you arrived at this number. Is this an average after examining a cross-section of books over the past number of years or is it just a subjective conclusion?

Tyson Heyn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811314#Comment_811314

It's disappointing to see bronze-starred bullies. In all seriousness, I'm praying for you.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811316#Comment_811316

I went through my purchase records and made a good-faith effort to remove pre-pubs.

I'm not sure your figures are accurate. They're skewed because you probably bought some resources on sales. I therefore used archive.org to check historic prices.

According to that site, Select Works of John MacArthur. was $22.38 in 2015, not $16.49. And the Brian Williams Bible Study Collection you had at the pre-pub price. It's been $119.95 since at least August 2011.

When I checked some of my own, I found (for example), that the Treasury of David has been $59.95 since at least 2010 (it's now $59.99). The only other one I checked was An Introduction to the Old Testament. There the pricing was $38 through 2011 and 2012, before dropping to $34.95 around 2013 (it's $34.99 now).

So part from *.95 products becoming *.99 products I'm not at all sure there's evidence for widespread price increases. The exception might be Zondervan titles. At least I think it was Zondervan. They put up their Logos prices a year or two ago, by quite a jump.

(‾◡◝)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811221#Comment_811221

Logos 7 will most likely be available in two different ways: full ownership (effectively like Logos 6 is today) and partial ownership (library ownership + Now subscription).

Here's what the two options would look like for Logos 7 Gold:

Full ownership: purchase and own the Logos 7 Gold base package, which is made up of Logos 7 Gold library (the books) and the Logos 7 Core software (the features, datasets, interactives, etc.).

Library ownership / software subscription: purchase and own the Logos 7 Gold library (the books) and subscribe (or continue to subscribe) to Logos Now (the features, datasets, interactives, etc.).

Putting some (made up) numbers to it, as a Logos 6 Gold owner you'd pay $500 to upgrade to the full Logos 7 Gold base package and own all of the new books as well as the features, datasets, interactives, etc.

A Logos 6 Gold owner who has a Logos Now subscription you'd pay only $250 to buy full ownership of the Logos 7 Gold library. You won't need to buy the Logos 7 Core, since you already have access to all of that (and more) with your Logos Now subscription. (If you later decide that Logos Now isn't for you, you'd be able to purchase the Logos 7 Core or another full Logos 7 base package to regain access to the Logos 7 features.)

Of course, it's possible that we could do something extra special for Logos Now subscribers, like being the first to learn about Logos 7 or getting a special offer or an extra discount or a free bonus gift or . . . . But we haven't decided anything yet, and we'd want to keep that a special surprise.

The point is that there's a built-in discount for Logos Now subscribers because we're planning to make the library part purchasable separately from the software.

Just a suggestion: Remembering the confusion and squawking over past releases of L4, 5, and 6, may I suggest a well laid out flow chart of the various options available to L7 upgraders instead of trying to describe it with words only?

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811323#Comment_811323

Yes a flow chart would be great, since I own Master Collection and almost all the others, and subscribe to Now, looking at Professional Cloud- I will be looking for some guidance in looking at upgraging or not, or just L7 engine.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811318#Comment_811318

Guys, I'm on your side. I'm trying to raise a real and significant issue.

I was simply asking how you arrived at your numbers. I'm not on any "side" but the side of accuracy.

So part from *.95 products becoming *.99 products I'm not at all sure there's evidence for widespread price increases.

Mark, you made a very compelling case through your entire post.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811316#Comment_811316

For those interested in the importance of maximizing profitability at FL, I recommend reading CEO Bob Pritchett's Fire Someone Today. I'd suggest it on Vyrso, but it's 28% more expensive there. I'm sure I'll be accused of that being inaccurate, as well, so here's the price comparison:

+1 [Y] recommend reading plus Thankful for Vyrso $ 0.00 price on 1 Sep 2015. Found another eBook seller offering Fire Someone Today: And Other Surprising Tactics for Making Your Business a Success for $ 6.99

Thankful for many free and sale Vyrso items.

Keep Smiling [:)]

Matthew

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811221#Comment_811221

Here's what the two options would look like for Logos 7 Gold:
Full ownership: purchase and own the Logos 7 Gold base package, which is made up of Logos 7 Gold library (the books) and the Logos 7 Core software (the features, datasets, interactives, etc.).

Library ownership / software subscription: purchase and own the Logos 7 Gold library (the books) and subscribe (or continue to subscribe) to Logos Now (the features, datasets, interactives, etc.).

I wonder if there will be a third option to buy just the books in a Logos 7 package without committing to a Logos Now subscription. It doesn't sound like it from Phil's comment, but it might be a less expensive way to upgrade for users who don't need all the latest bells and whistles or who can't do a payment plan under the new terms. Maybe buy a books only upgrade and then get the features/datasets as a separate upgrade at a later time when finances allow for it.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811316#Comment_811316

dash .... it would not matter Logos' price inflation. You're at a Cadallac dealership. Free coffee and oil changes (once a month). Christianity is a market and you're part of it. Money here ... money there. They sell Cadallacs. And mind you, not sharable Cadallacs. One Cadallac for each Christian.

Now, back to the OP:

I've thoroughly enjoyed Logos Now. Vicariously. It's taught me what I'm not missing. For Logos4-6, I dutifully crossgraded ... how could I not???? So risky. But Logos Now allows me to confirm how many times I'll never need 'that' feature. Truthfully. Get the core, buy some books, enjoy.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811368#Comment_811368

You're at a Cadallac dealership.

By this I think you mean the "best" although that's not how I think of a Cadillac but I would agree that it is the best Bible software available!

But Logos Now allows me to confirm how many times I'll never need 'that' feature.

I would have said that before I actually experienced it but there are lots of Logos Now features that I use continually Now that I can. Before I used Logos I was content to use an Exhaustive concordance but now I enjoy just pressing a few buttons and getting the same result in a few seconds. You don't know what you have until you use it and then don't have it.

Bobby Terhune

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811260#Comment_811260

I think worrying about Logos Now vs. Logos 7 pricing is a red herring for most users in these forums. The greater concern to me is that continued price inflation of books. I ran a quick little price check on previous purchases and guesstimate that resources tend to increase 6-8% in price each year. It's really a shame--my purchases circa 2010 seem to be much more competitive with conventional books at the time, and now, many of them cost 40ish% more...for nothing! Everyone keeps telling me that FL needs the money to keep investing in new technology, but isn't that why we purchase Logos Now and Logos 7?

I don't think that is being entirely fair to Logos. The first thing that comes to mind is that back in Libronix days, many publishers were making their own CD's or were paying Logos the cost up front to make them for them. For instance Nelson, Fortress Press, Galaxie Softwarem, Concordia, Friends of Israel, Van Till CD, The E4 Group, and there were many others. Now Logos makes all resources in house for better quality control, and the ability to update them when needed.

Back then, publishers weren't charging as high of a percentage royalty rates, so book prices were cheaper. Now some of our major Christian book publishers are charging Logos as much as 40% of book list price for the rights to publish their titles in Logos. Like Bob P said, if we want front list titles we will have to pay higher prices for them. Back list titles of course are much cheaper. I think the days of publishers letting go of high demand titles for low royalty rates is just about over. They too need to survive the new digital age that is changing the publishing world.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811373#Comment_811373

Bruce, I don't think I would ever characterize a Cadallac as 'the best'. But if one already spent the fortune, then yes, it can only be the best.

As for features, I can honestly say, I rarely use the ones I got. I'm surprised they keep building more. Like their library expansion, the bloat can only have marginally fewer takers.

I still think the money is in the Proclaim side of the house. Churches have lots of money.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811316#Comment_811316

It's disappointing to see bronze-starred bullies. In all seriousness, I'm praying for you.

All that happened is that you made some claims about Logos' price increase which other people weren't sure were accurate ("pricing tends to increase 6-8% each year", emphasis added). One person politely asked you to give some more detail, and someone else (me!) took the trouble to check some of the figures, and politely posted what they found. I don't understand how that can be construed as bullying.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811359#Comment_811359

I wonder if there will be a third option to buy just the books in a Logos 7 package without committing to a Logos Now subscription. It doesn't sound like it from Phil's comment, but it might be a less expensive way to upgrade for users who don't need all the latest bells and whistles

I wouldn't read into Phil's comment that something like this would not be a possibility... I assume it will! For clarification:

The engine has always been free, so based on past experienc, users should be able to update to the L7 engine (after a slight delay) without any new purchase
Logos Now is brand new, so we haven't gone through a cycle yet of new packages
The nature of LN is that users can add and drop it at will, on a month to month basis

How does this apply to what you suggested? Why would FL create "book only" packages and sell them only to "now" subscribers when a LN subscriber could simply stop subscription after the purchase?

I think there well may be people in the boat you describe and it would be in FL's interest (imo) to sell to them. I should point out, however, that the savings may not be as big as you are imagining. As an exercise, take any given base package and remove the cost of a cross grade... Although that isn't likely the formula FL will use, I don't think you should expect savings any larger. [;)]

Matthew

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811417#Comment_811417

All good points, Alabama. We will just have to wait and see what Faitife decides to do!

Rene Atchley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811260#Comment_811260

Welcome to the world of free enterprise with a monopoly directing the market....at least we could derive from satisfaction from the mythical fairy of economics of scale.

Joseph Sollenberger

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811451#Comment_811451

Though some companies have left the Bible related software market, there are still many choices that offer overlapping products. It may be nice to have all of ones resources in a single software environment, but I have no problem working with multiple operating systems, multiple desktops, and multiple software products. But then, I must admit that I have been using computers since the mid 1960's. I can understand how one not so interested in technology would feel trapped into a single software ecosystem. I can also understand how one could claim that their wish is to simply use the computer as a tool and not be bothered by the technical aspects of the computer and its use. These are the same issues discussed in the late 1970's and early 1980's as personal computers came onto the scene. Believe it or not, it is exceedingly simpler today than previous decades and there are still many options for systems, tools, and data sources. I know that the present technology still falls exceedingly short of the promise of ubiquitous ease of use and function. These computer systems are not toasters, nor even cars. They still require patience and learned skills! There is not a monopoly directing the market, but alternate choices may require that we leave our comfort zone and learn a new approach to doing things. It might even be, as Spock would say, "fascinating." Ah, the Star Trek style computer--now that is a toaster! Oh, even starship captains used and enjoyed a 'bound organizations of knowledge' at times.

Shalom

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811498#Comment_811498

These computer systems are not toasters, nor even cars. They still require patience and learned skills! There is not a monopoly directing the market, but alternate choices may require that we leave our comfort zone and learn a new approach to doing things.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811503#Comment_811503

I suspect JoshRI is correct ... software like Logos, Accordance, and Bibleworks have their roots in the high-end of data 'erector sets'. And the mirror user base insists that is the cost of admission. The more I know, the more you should know.

But I'd argue that there's been little advancement in the tinkering ... just more descriptives stacked on earlier descriptives. And the UI's are Jobs wanna-be's that ignore the point ... ease of use.

Need a modern day Bob Pritchett to set the new standard of Bible study.

OT The FBI now wants people to make sure their cars are updated. Who are they kidding.

Average Joe

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811359#Comment_811359

I wonder if there will be a third option to buy just the books in a Logos 7 package without committing to a Logos Now subscription. It doesn't sound like it from Phil's comment, but it might be a less expensive way to upgrade for users who don't need all the latest bells and whistles or who can't do a payment plan under the new terms. Maybe buy a books only upgrade and then get the features/datasets as a separate upgrade at a later time when finances allow for it.

I suppose you could subscribe to Logos Now for a month (for free!) and then cancel after buying the "books only" package. But Faithlife could very well choose to limit the books only packages to people who were already Now subscribers at the time Logos 7 launches. I can't say I'd blame them for doing that. You'd then just have to be a really good guesser for when to start your free month of Logos Now. [;)]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811663#Comment_811663

I wonder if there will be a third option to buy just the books in a Logos 7 package without committing to a Logos Now subscription. It doesn't sound like it from Phil's comment, but it might be a less expensive way to upgrade for users who don't need all the latest bells and whistles or who can't do a payment plan under the new terms. Maybe buy a books only upgrade and then get the features/datasets as a separate upgrade at a later time when finances allow for it.

I suppose you could subscribe to Logos Now for a month (for free!) and then cancel after buying the "books only" package. But Faithlife could very well choose to limit the books only packages to people who were already Now subscribers at the time Logos 7 launches. I can't say I'd blame them for doing that. You'd then just have to be a really good guesser for when to start your free month of Logos Now.

Again, that's not going to happen that way... And if it does, I'll lead the complaints. [:)]

Thinking

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811667#Comment_811667

If I understand the FL pricing, Logos 7 (software only) will be free in the February time frame.

Hypothetically, suppose (1) a person owns a Logos 6 gold library. That individual also has (2) a year's Logos Now subscription that runs out next August 2017.

When Logos 7 comes out, the individual (3) purchases the Logos 7 gold library (AND datasets) at the Logos Now discount price.

In the spring of 2017 the individual (4) downloads the free Logos 7.

Now suppose that for some reason the individual (5) could not afford to renew Logos Now in August of 2017.

In this scenario, (6) the individual loses access to Logos 8 features and datasets, but continues to have access to all of Logos 7's features and datasets in the library he purchased.

However, if the subscriber to Logos Now does not receive the datasets with the purchase of the Logos 7 gold library, he would have to spend an additional amount to keep access to these datasets.

If the first scenario is correct, there is NO cost downside to owning Logos Now and it would finally make sense to me to purchase it. However, if the second scenario is correct, subscribing to Logos Now is simply an additional cost to preview datasets and upgrades.

Can somebody tell me, which scenario is the correct one? It will determine whether I purchase Logos Now now!

Lee

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837139#Comment_837139

@ Thinking you should check out this post for your answer.

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/128822.aspx

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837139#Comment_837139

Can somebody tell me, which scenario is the correct one? It will determine whether I purchase Logos Now now!

Based on Phil's comments elsewhere, it would depend upon what you purchase: A "books only" package or one with datasets included. Of course, all of this is theoretical until L7 is actually announced and we can look at the base packages to compare. [;)]

Phil Gons (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837139#Comment_837139

If I understand the FL pricing, Logos 7 (software only) will be free in the February time frame.

Hypothetically, suppose (1) a person owns a Logos 6 gold library. That individual also has (2) a year's Logos Now subscription that runs out next August 2017.

When Logos 7 comes out, the individual (3) purchases the Logos 7 gold library (AND datasets) at the Logos Now discount price.

In the spring of 2017 the individual (4) downloads the free Logos 7.

Now suppose that for some reason the individual (5) could not afford to renew Logos Now in August of 2017.

In this scenario, (6) the individual loses access to Logos 8 features and datasets, but continues to have access to all of Logos 7's features and datasets in the library he purchased.

However, if the subscriber to Logos Now does not receive the datasets with the purchase of the Logos 7 gold library, he would have to spend an additional amount to keep access to these datasets.

If the first scenario is correct, there is NO cost downside to owning Logos Now and it would finally make sense to me to purchase it. However, if the second scenario is correct, subscribing to Logos Now is simply an additional cost to preview datasets and upgrades.

Can somebody tell me, which scenario is the correct one? It will determine whether I purchase Logos Now now!

I lay out your options here. You'll have the choice between buying a library + feature set (your first scenario) or just a library (your second scenario).

In the spring of 2017 the individual (4) downloads the free Logos 7.

You can skip this step. You'll already have it due to #2. If you stop your subscription, you'll lose only access to licenses that enable features. You'll still be running the exact same software application.

delete12066188

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837199#Comment_837199

Phil dit I have to buy Logos 7 or can I go with Logos 6 and Logos Now?

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811275#Comment_811275

Well if subscribing gives me features and a cheaper book library it kind of helps so some of us can save to purchase full ownership later on. Anyway, I have a week to think about it. Meanwhile, let me repost here to see if I can get an answer. The other thread is really crowded now:

So, to summarize: I become a Logos Now member now and pretty much I start using Logos 7's features now (along with the features I already own from L6), the only thing I don't get yet is the new books that come in a Base Package, which I would have to purchase if I want those - Is that correct?

Next: If I don't become a member and just upgrade to L7 when it comes out, I will get L7's new features plus new books, but will lose L6's features since L7's features will replace them - is that accurate?

Finally, but if I want both L6's and L7's features, then I must become a member - is this right?

Thanks!

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837210#Comment_837210

Your first assumption is correct. If you have Logos Now, you won't get the new books that come with Logos 7 base packages, but you will have the Logos 7 features.

But your second assumption is mostly wrong. You won't lose access to Logos 6 features when Logos 7 comes out. Although some features have changed from one version to another (e.g Maps from L4/5 to L6), users kept the licences and could still access the maps (albeit in a different way). On other occasions people who bought a licence in L4 benefitted from improvements to that dataset in L5 and L6 (e.g. recerse underline are we're upgraded to include roots). However, I think that is less likely in L7. There have been only a tiny handful of examples of people losing features after an upgrade, and almost all of those were from L3 to L4.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837213#Comment_837213

Your first assumption is correct. If you have Logos Now, you won't get the new books that come with Logos 7 base packages, but you will have the Logos 7 features.

But your second assumption is mostly wrong. You won't lose access to Logos 6 features when Logos 7 comes out. Although some features have changed from one version to another (e.g Maps from L4/5 to L6), users kept the licences and could still access the maps (albeit in a different way). On other occasions people who bought a licence in L4 benefitted from improvements to that dataset in L5 and L6 (e.g. recerse underline are we're upgraded to include roots). However, I think that is less likely in L7. There have been only a tiny handful of examples of people losing features after an upgrade, and almost all of those were from L3 to L4.

Thanks Mark! Running Phil's hypothetical numbers, subscribing now and purchasing full ownership later would still be cheaper about $50 bucks (maybe a little more) than if I just waited to upgrade when L7 debuts. I think I'm becoming interested in this new membership option. Friday might just be the day I buy into this new cool offer. I guess is not for everyone, but is still good nonetheless 🤘👌👍 Thanks FL and Mark for the clarification. I guess if you missed something, Phil or others can pitch in.

DAL

Thinking

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/837199#Comment_837199

Thanks Phil

That was the info I was needing. I believe this program will increase the number of Logos Now subscribers. I will subscribe this afternoon. And if Logos updates yearly it will make fiscal sense to continue the Logos Now subscription.