Suggestion: Revamp and create a Logos Simple Mode please

Suggestion: Is it possible that the next major upgrade of Logos Windows could please have a "simple" mode? Seriously - something geared toward helping those using it on a Sunday morning say on a tablet or even their android phone (yes I know these are vastly different) at a weeknight Bible study.

God bless any and all developers who are searching for ways to make basic functionality simpler.

Please begin by completely overhauling page searches, beefing up the size of Bible chapter headings and removing white space when filters are used, or making the home page more instantly useful (like with a standard Bible the user selects) and then please come up with a Group Bible Study Mode (say one Bible and a couple of commentaries or study notes that open with one click or how about even a single Bible and a click-and-say-it pronunciation guide for those struggling to say a word when it comes time to read their section in a church bible study circle for example).

I truly wish that Logos would start from the ground up and make the application more user friendly and easy to use - not tailor it to the original language (in my mind scientific) crowd interested in minutia.

Please go back to square one....and think of us trying to use your software realistically in real world settings not to do an intensive word study or come up with a Turabian formatted quote for a scholastic paper but just to use this software quickly and efficiently right from starting it up please. Call it BIBLE STUDY MODE if you like.

I dislike having to keep switching to another non-logos Android app as they remain faster and friendlier.
Build in a "Group Bible Study my turn is coming up next to read mode" please.

God bless you as you simplify. If I turn off a Logos filter, why leave all that white space behind? I advise getting together with people on a Sunday Morning or at a Bible study who are using a Windows tablet or even an Ipad - you would be amazed at how instantly stuck we get using this software.

If you have to attend a class/seminar to use this software in a real world setting - have you really made it the best it can be?

...thanks. Logos is awesome...don't misunderstand me please.

I just think it needs some real world tweaking (simplification with instant functionality right from the home page).

Glory to God...Jesus Lead On!

Joshua In Rhode Island

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Graham Criddle

Hi Josh

In your post you remove to Windows , Android and iPad.

As you know the Windows applicsation is more feature rich than on Android or iPad. Which platform are you really requesting this for?

Graham

JoshInRI

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811023#Comment_811023

Windows please. Thanks Sir.[:)]

Graham Criddle

Windows please

In which case can we explore this a little further?

and then please come up with a Group Bible Study Mode (say one Bible and a couple of commentaries or study notes that open with one click

Currently - using the "custom layout" capability introduced in Logos Now - you can specify a layout to be opened when entering a passage from the home page

In the example below I entered the passage Matthew 11:15 in the reference box on the home page, pressed Enter and got the layout shown:

I can customise this as required.

how about even a single Bible and a click-and-say-it pronunciation guide for those struggling to say a word when it comes time to read their section in a church bible study circle for example)

Logos has the resource "That's Easy for you to say" which shows how a word is pronounced and will also pronounce it for you. If you have it prioritised high enough it will open to the correct place when you double-click on the word. Again, below I clicked on the word "Sodom" and the resource opened on the right of my layout (If I wanted I could have this in my default layout)

Please begin by completely overhauling page searches

What do you mean by this?

beefing up the size of Bible chapter headings

I saw the earlier discussion on this but am aware that Faithlife need to preserve the original text so not sure how much freedom they have.

and removing white space when filters are used

What sort of filters are you referring to / expecting to use in this "simple mode"?

Please go back to square one

My questions above are to really try and understand what - in the current approach - isn't delivering what you need.

I advise getting together with people on a Sunday Morning or at a Bible study who are using a Windows tablet or even an Ipad - you would be amazed at how instantly stuck we get using this software.

I frequently use the software for Bible study on an iPad and find it works fine. I wonder how much of the issues you refer to relate to the (as I understand it) issues with touch screen support on Windows tablets (I don't have one so can't verify this)

Please have a look at the above and give some specific feedback so we can try and really understand what the issues are.

JoshInRI

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811339#Comment_811339

Thanks for giving us all some insight visually on how to do what I am requesting (a lot of steps).

I wanted to show you that I attempted something quickly myself too but find the Atlas wanting. Doesn't even show Judea or the Jordan clearly. I would still be baffled where Jesus is while reading the text. I went here on the internet faster and found the answer instead

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/First_century_Iudaea_province.gif&imgrefurl=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea&h=792&w=575&tbnid=yvQx0-Jg9jDudM:&tbnh=160&tbnw=115&docid=2SHt09PdwG0mQM&usg=__SohuPtE6D_XecuLwXSRUCZ-Hsoc=&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjShI6Rgc7LAhVBRmMKHVvTBfUQ9QEIIDAA

If you look at my Bible on the left, you can see where the text leaves huge holes after I turned off some of the filters to read it properly as well. Yet another sign that improvement, even overhaul (a return to basics) would be good.

I continue to believe that Logos developers have lost touch with basic functions needed on Sunday mornings and during Bible studies. Will keep praying they turn it around one day though I am one small voice in little old Rhode Island. I do appreciate your email though...thanks Sir. Would you reply back with a link for a primer on prioritizing books please. Sorry but if I click on a word location I would expect a map to open automatically. No doubt that is a programming issue or concern (more work) but I think you might sell a lot more Logos to people if you worked backward to basic functionality like this.

I often abandon Logos and go to something like the YouVersion of The Bible on my Android Samsung phone. Just being honest. Its faster and more intuitive in a pinch. I don't think a Windows tablet with full Logos functionality is really that useful yet in a typical Bible study. Who has time to create a layout or wait for one to do its thing when your turn to read/understand/comment comes up in a group setting. The group would just pass me by and go on to the next person. Why? Basic functionality tailored to people in such settings simply does not exist in Logos today (unless you have done quite a bit of prep work beforehand).

Added this later - I used this resource while in this section and found it helpful too.

https://www.logos.com/product/1204/nelsons-3-d-bible-mapbook

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811457#Comment_811457

If you look at my Bible on the left, you can see where the text leaves huge holes after I turned off some of the filters to read it properly as well. Yet another sign that improvement, even overhaul (a return to basics) would be good.

I continue to believe that Logos developers have lost touch with basic functions needed on Sunday mornings and during Bible studies. Will keep praying they turn it around one day though I am one small voice in little old Rhode Island. I do appreciate your email though...thanks Sir. Would you reply back with a link for a primer on prioritizing books please. Sorry but if I click on a word location I would expect a map to open automatically. No doubt that is a programming issue or concern (more work) but I think you might sell a lot more Logos to people if you worked backward to basic functionality like this.

As you know, I often have trouble understanding your needs because they are so different than what I experience in the small group study and unless I was hard of hearing and needed my tablet as an assistant, I can't imagine using a tablet during a regular service except possible as a very simple note taker.

I expect the Bible as I bring it up in Logos to look like the Bible in the hands of those using paper copies ... so if I turn on filters to hide text, that is what I expect ... not a full reformatting. If I click on a place name in a small group, I want to know what else happened there because the Bible frequently refers to past event by location name e.g. at Meribah. In small group Bible studies, if someone brings an additional resource it is most frequently another translation. If someone brings a commentary it generally marks them as a recent convert. When trying to get users "into Logos" in a real life small group, this usually means a library of:

one to three Bibles
resource that is the basis of the group study ... shared PB or Logos resource
1 Bible dictionary
1 study Bible
Catechism
Lectionary which normally comes with even the most basic configuration

With that as a base library, Logos doesn't offer an overwhelming number of options. And building a useful work layout is a fairly simple task.

The problem with "simple" is that there are many "simples" based upon the pattern of Bible study you are used to ... your simple and my simple are not the same even when we limit it to new users with limited resources. You appear to be oriented towards times, places, pronunciation. I am interested in the interrelationships to other passages and dictionary definitions of uncommon terms. What Logos needs to do to meet all of its users needs, is to provide easier access to minimalist libraries so that only basic functions are presented as available - the functions necessary to use the minimalist features users own.

EastTN

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811469#Comment_811469

There's another thread that seems relevant to this discussion ("How to make this stuff work"). M.J. makes a good point that there may be more than one "simple," depending on individual users' needs and preferences. But I do think it could be helpful to provide at least one mode with simpler default behavior. I recognize that it's possible to tailor the software's behavior to different needs - but the new, relatively unsophisticated user is also the one least likely to be able to do this.

I also recognize that this is easier said than done. One way might be to think about a "typical" lay user. You might assume that they would not be routinely using original language tools (so those could be put behind a "click here for Greek/Hebrew tools" button), would not routinely be preparing sermons or formal presentations (so much of the export and visual copy functionality wouldn't have to be front and center), would likely most often be using a limited number of resources and might have difficulty finding things (so making the library functions as easy and intuitive as possible would be important), most searches would be simple (so making a very simple, streamlined search function would be important), but might find the info-graphics and maps particularly useful (so integrating the info-graphics and a basic set of maps in a simple way could also be especially useful).

A package like that would have made the program much more accessible to me. I've used it on a routine basis (several days a week) for several years now, and I still a) only use a fraction of the features, and b) find some things confusing.

scooter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811533#Comment_811533

There's another thread that seems relevant to this discussion ("How to make this stuff work"). M.J. makes a good point that there may be more than one "simple," depending on individual users' needs and preferences. But I do think it could be helpful to provide at least one mode with simpler default behavior. I recognize that it's possible to tailor the software's behavior to different needs - but the new, relatively unsophisticated user is also the one least likely to be able to do this.

I also recognize that this is easier said than done. One way might be to think about a "typical" lay user. You might assume that they would not be routinely using original language tools (so those could be put behind a "click here for Greek/Hebrew tools" button), would not routinely be preparing sermons or formal presentations (so much of the export and visual copy functionality wouldn't have to be front and center), would likely most often be using a limited number of resources and might have difficulty finding things (so making the library functions as easy and intuitive as possible would be important), most searches would be simple (so making a very simple, streamlined search function would be important), but might find the info-graphics and maps particularly useful (so integrating the info-graphics and a basic set of maps in a simple way could also be especially useful).

A package like that would have made the program much more accessible to me. I've used it on a routine basis (several days a week) for several years now, and I still a) only use a fraction of the features, and b) find some things confusing.

EastTN, I agree with your entire post re how I use L6. I read books, I hi-lite them, I create notes of subscripts that are important. As well, I wonder what else is in the black box, then sigh + carry on as before. To even attempt anything fancy increases my heart rate, shallows out my breathing. I feel tense.

Even asking for help has its perils. The good people that help on here - I thank U all - own fancier rigs; I have L6 core. Thus, I even have to wend my way thru instructions wondering if my L6 has what this instructional L6 example has. Creates stress.

30 day challenge: I found the dude talks too fast + moves the mouse too fast. More stress.

Is there no way to make searches simpler than brackets and colons and semi-colons, etc. etc. etc.??????????

I have been around since L3. I wanna be able to ace ''L6 lite'' back in the hidden shadowed corner, then creep gently forward towards the firelight of modest full L6 useage.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811534#Comment_811534

Even asking for help has its perils. The good people that help on here - I thank U all - own fancier rigs; I have L6 core. Thus, I even have to wend my way thru instructions wondering if my L6 has what this instructional L6 example has. Creates stress.

I agree and wish those of us with "fancier rigs" were able to ask that our system worked as if "library x" was our entire library ... I want it so that I'm comfortable using Verbum in a class/small-group setting. But I've been told that such a feature is unlike ... unless, of course, I can show a high demand.

Is there no way to make searches simpler than brackets and colons and semi-colons, etc. etc. etc.??????????

Only with a lot more words and words with special meanings. As I've tried to development a cheat sheet ... which after several false starts over the years I am finally successfully doing - I have discovered that the problem lies in the questions we ask. For example, someone will ask for all the times in the Bible that someone received a positive benefit from tithing ... that one I would even attempt so take a "simple one" - all the prayers of Jesus.

sometimes a pronoun is used for Jesus and sometimes it is simply part of the conjugation of the verb ... so I need to specify not the word "Jesus" but the "Logos tag Jesus"
sometimes the word Jesus is used but not as the subject or doer of the praying ... so do I need "Logos grammatical role tag subject:Jesus Logos English gloss root verb:to pray" ... but that won't catch everything that possibly fits as sometimes a sentence is passive ...
how do I distinguish the actual prayer text ... or that there is no prayer text just a statement that Jesus prayed ....

If we were to ask questions such as how many times does the Bible mention "baptism" or what are the names we are given for the women at the foot of the cross, the search is simple. But once we get into using the Logos tagging, the dropdown pick list is as much help as we can get unless we are able to state very accurately how the system is to identify what we want. Yes, an interface could be built to make it easier to build the "very accurate statement of what we want" - and I hope one is built. But the problem of knowing precisely what you are asking for will still be a problem - evidence? the number of alternative methods tried in forum threads for things like "all the prayers of Jesus" until satisfactory results are found.

BTW I found L3 extremely difficult to learn compared to L4.

EastTN

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811553#Comment_811553

...As I've tried to development a cheat sheet ... which after several false starts over the years I am finally successfully doing...

First, thank you very much for taking on this project, and for all the other help and advice you generously provide. I've benefited from your posts on multiple occasions.

... If we were to ask questions such as how many times does the Bible mention "baptism" or what are the names we are given for the women at the foot of the cross, the search is simple. But once we get into using the Logos tagging, the dropdown pick list is as much help as we can get unless we are able to state very accurately how the system is to identify what we want. ...

If most novice users are anything like me, they know nothing about the Logos tagging, and have no conception of the kind of precise, sophisticated searches that power users expect. And, given that they likely have much smaller libraries, they don't really need them - they can generally get by just fine by doing a "dumb" search and picking through all the resulting hits. That's all I did for a very long time - and I was still amazed by the power and convenience of the system. As my library has grown it has become more important for me to narrow my searches, because it's taking longer and longer to pick through the results from a brute-force search. But most of my searches are still quite simple, often using nothing more sophisticated than a "NEAR".

None of this is intended to minimize the importance of sophisticated search tools for power users. It's just a reminder that many of us might get more benefit from an easier to use interface for simple searches than we would from the ability to more precisely define sophisticated searches.

Richard Villanueva

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811553#Comment_811553

I'm wondering if having pre-made layouts available to download or even pre-installed may be the way to go on a subject like this.

MJ, your small group resource list may even be a decent "starter pack" for most congregation members who would be pleased with a digital study bible layout. Looking at the current Starter Base Package, I can easily see how it can be intimidating for many that really have a less complex view of Bible Study.

I've heard it said most peoples' view of "Bible Study" is more accurately described as "Bible Reading." Maybe if the approach was to introduce people into Logos system in even smaller, bite-sized baby steps it would be more advantageous to those that are easily overwhelmed by the sheer size and capabilities of Logos?

Additionally, one thing I lacked when I first purchased Logo's years ago was a simple 1-2-3 Step Start. I would have benefitted greatly if I knew that I should start by...

1. Understand what the "Go Field/Box" does

2. Prioritize my Books

3. Familiarize myself with the library

4. Learn how to create and save layouts

...Or whatever few first recommended steps would be. Instead I had to search the wiki, forums, and youtube for instructional videos (this was back in Logos 3). Not everyone that purchases it is as self-motivated to learn on their own, rather they expect it to "Just Work."

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811557#Comment_811557

If most novice users are anything like me, they know nothing about the Logos tagging, and have no conception of the kind of precise, sophisticated searches that power users expect. And, given that they likely have much smaller libraries, they don't really need them - they can generally get by just fine by doing a "dumb" search and picking through all the resulting hits. That's all I did for a very long time - and I was still amazed by the power and convenience of the system. As my library has grown it has become more important for me to narrow my searches, because it's taking longer and longer to pick through the results from a brute-force search. But most of my searches are still quite simple, often using nothing more sophisticated than a "NEAR".

None of this is intended to minimize the importance of sophisticated search tools for power users. It's just a reminder that many of us might get more benefit from an easier to use interface for simple searches than we would from the ability to more precisely define sophisticated searches.

By an interface for simpler searches do you mean a cut down version of the existing search panel or something else?

scooter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811553#Comment_811553

Even asking for help has its perils. The good people that help on here - I thank U all - own fancier rigs; I have L6 core. Thus, I even have to wend my way thru instructions wondering if my L6 has what this instructional L6 example has. Creates stress.

I agree and wish those of us with "fancier rigs" were able to ask that our system worked as if "library x" was our entire library ... I want it so that I'm comfortable using Verbum in a class/small-group setting. But I've been told that such a feature is unlike ... unless, of course, I can show a high demand.

Is there no way to make searches simpler than brackets and colons and semi-colons, etc. etc. etc.??????????

Only with a lot more words and words with special meanings. As I've tried to development a cheat sheet ... which after several false starts over the years I am finally successfully doing - I have discovered that the problem lies in the questions we ask. For example, someone will ask for all the times in the Bible that someone received a positive benefit from tithing ... that one I would even attempt so take a "simple one" - all the prayers of Jesus.

sometimes a pronoun is used for Jesus and sometimes it is simply part of the conjugation of the verb ... so I need to specify not the word "Jesus" but the "Logos tag Jesus"

sometimes the word Jesus is used but not as the subject or doer of the praying ... so do I need "Logos grammatical role tag subject:Jesus Logos English gloss root verb:to pray" ... but that won't catch everything that possibly fits as sometimes a sentence is passive ...

how do I distinguish the actual prayer text ... or that there is no prayer text just a statement that Jesus prayed ....

If we were to ask questions such as how many times does the Bible mention "baptism" or what are the names we are given for the women at the foot of the cross, the search is simple. But once we get into using the Logos tagging, the dropdown pick list is as much help as we can get unless we are able to state very accurately how the system is to identify what we want. Yes, an interface could be built to make it easier to build the "very accurate statement of what we want" - and I hope one is built. But the problem of knowing precisely what you are asking for will still be a problem - evidence? the number of alternative methods tried in forum threads for things like "all the prayers of Jesus" until satisfactory results are found.

BTW I found L3 extremely difficult to learn compared to L4.

I now see, MJ, that asking a complex question of a complex system needs precision on my part, whatever way FL sets the ecosystem up to be inquired of. I thank you for your extensive reply + look forward to the cheat sheet you are building. I will try my hand at some searches using your instructions.

GaoLu

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811469#Comment_811469

What Logos needs to do to meet all of its users needs, is to provide easier access to minimalist libraries so that only basic functions are presented as available - the functions necessary to use the minimalist features users own.

Yup. I don't mind the complexities of Logos any more, but from the perspective of when I was a beginner, and from the perspective of my children who have Logos, what you say is right.

I get all excited and start showing them their library, or how to do a search and they get this deer-in -the-headlights look. They would love to be able to do that, but...the baby is crying, they slept 4 hours last night, they lead Bible study in 30 minutes and--Logos--no way. They pick something else that doesn't return a gazillion hits for Jn 3:16. They think Logos is cool and see its potential, they know how to do research, but most of the time as a newbie to Logos, they just want a few decent commentaries, a couple dictionaries, a few Bibles and some of their own notes to work really well, fast and intuitively, at their fingertips. That would hook them on Logos. They want the other stuff too, a lot, but when they need immediate performance, they want it hassle-free, now!

Logos needs both modes, comprehensive and simple. Yes Layouts will accomplish all that, but figuring out how it all works, setting it up, saving it, remembering how to make it all go, makes the simple thing mind-bogglingly complex to a newbie or a person navigating today's quick-returns from mass information generation.

Switching gears from Windows to IOS (iPhone or iPad), because this is a clear way to discuss the matter with a simple real-life illustration. I think of the difference in apps available. Logos will do anything and do it well. But when I am n a hurry for some quick Bbile Study prep (or can you lead devotions for our young people? or can you open this meeting for 15 minutes?), forgive me, but I still use eSXXXXXX. Why? Because I have ready access to a handful of commentaries and a dictionaries and personal notes and Bibles. No wheels spin, Nothing indexes. Nothing updates. Stuff in my library is just there--right now. I don't have to go hunting for the book I want. No waits on iffy internet. It just works. All my favorite must-have-fast stuff is an almost-instant "tab" away. It's all intuitive. No hidden panels. No arrays of mysterious icons or swipes needed in unexpected places and times. Searches are simple, but do most of what I want in situations where I am using such devices.

I suspect that kind of performance is what people really want most of the time for a handheld app. Sure, let it do the fancy stuff too. I want that. But be SURE it dos the simple stuff first and fast and best. PC/Mac is a little different, because we are more likely in "pull down the green lamp, hunker down for some research" mode. Yet I think the same "have a simple mode" principle applies.

EastTN

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811564#Comment_811564

By an interface for simpler searches do you mean a cut down version of the existing search panel or something else?

I was thinking of something more than just taking things off of the existing panel. First, I have to confess that user interface design is not my area of expertise, and I know that there are a number of different ways of designing a search interface. Having said that, here's what I'm thinking.

A "simple search" panel should be designed to make the top three to five things that the casual or inexperienced user is most likely do in a search "stupid simple" and obvious. At a guess, some of those might be to search for things that contain any word in a list (Jesus OR Christ), all the words in a list (Christ AND death), or an exact phrase ("my Lord and my God"). They might also want to be able to pick whether the search covered Bibles, Dictionaries, Commentaries, Maps, or everything.

I'm sure there are several ways to do this. One thing I've seen several times are search panels that have one field for "Contains Any of These Words", one for "Contains All of These Words" and another for "Contains the Exact Phrase." Buttons or check boxes could limit the type of resources covered, with the default set to "everything." An experienced user would find this terribly confining, but it would provide simple, predictable and easily understood behavior for the casual user - and allow them to do some genuinely useful things.

But whatever the details, the idea would be that a casual user could look at it and immediately be able to do the most common simple searches without having to learn Logos-specific search syntax. Does that make sense?

It's been quite a while since I've done any programming, but I would imagine that a panel like this could be implemented by using the user input to form a search string that would be fed into the existing search engine. It wouldn't be worth doing it if required building a different search engine.

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811651#Comment_811651

A "simple search" panel should be designed to make the top three to five things that the casual or inexperienced user is most likely do in a search "stupid simple" and obvious. At a guess, some of those might be to search for things that contain any word in a list (Jesus OR Christ), all the words in a list (Christ AND death), or an exact phrase ("my Lord and my God").

The "search helps" information is the way this is currently addressed - as below:

This shows the syntax of simple searches and clicking on any of them places that search in the search box which you can then modify as required.

But whatever the details, the idea would be that a casual user could look at it and immediately be able to do the most common simple searches without having to learn Logos-specific search syntax. Does that make sense?

Yes it makes sense - but I'm trying to understand in what way the current approach does not provide for this.

And I'm not addressing the requirement to constrain searches to particular sets of resources here - just wanting to focus on one thing to try and understand it more fully.

EastTN

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811657#Comment_811657

Yes it makes sense - but I'm trying to understand in what way the current approach does not provide for this.

We may be talking about the difference between "simple" and what my daughter calls "stupid simple." [;)]

Seriously, I do think the search helps go a long way towards making the search panel easier to use, particularly for what I would describe as intermediate users. The distinction I would draw - and I'll readily admit that it's a subtle one - is that the search helps seem oriented towards helping users learn the Logos search syntax, rather than insulating them from the search syntax. I apologize if that's not a fair characterization. Maybe another way to put it is that on some level it feels like the current approach is oriented towards helping the user manage the complexity of the system, rather than hiding the complexity. That's a perfectly valid design approach - but it will work better for some users than others. My sense is that:

new and casual users are most comfortable when the complexity of the system is hidden
intermediate users want to be able to manage the complexity
expert users love the power and control the complexity gives them

In that scheme, my sense is that the search helps are exactly what most intermediate users need to unlock the power of the search panel. They do shorten the learning curve for new users, but by exposing the complexity of the search syntax it can make the system seem mysterious and hard to understand, rather than simple and easy to use. I suspect it may have been designed that way in order to turn new users into power users by giving them a tutorial, if you will, in the search syntax every time they do a search. But for the casual user who's not sure they want to become a power user, it can be a bit intimidating - and some casual users may never need to become experts.

Anyway, that's just my point of view. It may well be off base (it certainly wouldn't be the first time).

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811664#Comment_811664

This is really helpful and clear

It helps me understand more fully what you wrote above

A "simple search" panel should be designed to make the top three to five things that the casual or inexperienced user is most likely do in a search "stupid simple" and obvious. At a guess, some of those might be to search for things that contain any word in a list (Jesus OR Christ), all the words in a list (Christ AND death), or an exact phrase ("my Lord and my God"). They might also want to be able to pick whether the search covered Bibles, Dictionaries, Commentaries, Maps, or everything.

I'm sure there are several ways to do this. One thing I've seen several times are search panels that have one field for "Contains Any of These Words", one for "Contains All of These Words" and another for "Contains the Exact Phrase." Buttons or check boxes could limit the type of resources covered, with the default set to "everything." An experienced user would find this terribly confining, but it would provide simple, predictable and easily understood behavior for the casual user - and allow them to do some genuinely useful things.

I'll need to leave it to Faithlife to comment as to whether this type of approach is something they would consider.

Kevin Nelson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/811696#Comment_811696

A "simple mode" on my app would be nice, where there is simply the Bible text, and a quick way to move around the Bible, perhaps do a highlight and insert a comment would be nice.

From a programming point of view, perhaps a Logos "light" edition, that still can interact with the database of the more hefty version for highlights and notes, would be useful.

mike

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/812762#Comment_812762

The "search" area is the one that needs the simple buttons. Too many rules and stuffs.

I wish the rules and brackets can be replaced with easy buttons with build-in warnings & suggestions.

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