Logos 7 suggestions due soon
Okay I do not have any inside information but I believe that a number of things point to a late fall release of Logos 7. That means there are about 4-5 six week release cycles between now and then ... excluding the version currently in beta. Now Logos has probably already decided on the "featured features" for the release ... but now is the time to toss your smaller improvements into the hopper - giving them time to be read, prioritized, designed, implemented ...
My approach tonight was to go through each of my normal Verbum tasks watching for things that frustrated me or that could easily be improved. I have not given generic requests like "simplify x" or "improve y" unless I had a concrete idea of how to do it. This allows Faithlife to know what I mean not guess and come up with something I like even less.
Get your proposals in the hopper before this particular window of opportunity closes.
Just watch ... now, I'll be proved completely wrong on my guess as to a release timeframe ....
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My call is on October/November release.
My suggestions are:
- Have a build-in pdf/epub/mobi converter.
- Have Logos' own official collections not people's.
- Have a search for dummies with easy buttons for strings.
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Not sure how worthwhile an exercise this is for us rabble but if we do not have faith what have we?
My vote would be to clean up Search a little - I suspect everyone uses searching each day. It's not a glamorous investment of time, it doesn't enhance the marketing list of features in version 7, but is very helpful to users.
The three Search improvements that would be most helpful to me:
1. Highlight search results in Notes
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mike said:
2. Have Logos' own official collections not people's.
Please elaborate what collection(s) are desired. Faithlife Group Logos Product Collections has 127 Collections published by Faithlife; anticipating Logos 7 and Verbum 7 Base Package collections to be added by Faithlife.
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Please elaborate what collection(s) are desired. Faithlife Group Logos Product Collections has 127 Collections published by Faithlife; anticipating Logos 7 and Verbum 7 Base Package collections to be added by Faithlife.
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I always thought all those collections are more like wiki-style, where everyone can do whatever they want & not an official closed-system collections where people can't mess with them. I don't want regular joes to edit my stuffs, I want Logos to do them, that's why I'm paying for quality.
Plus, they need to be built-in inside Logos 7 and not on a group or something. Make it where it is easy for me to delete or add or search a collection within the software itself.
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Most of the collections you find on FL are user managed.
HOWEVER the group previously mentioned is managed by FL.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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So is this the list for all those not named MJ? Wait a minute - she is the OP [;)]
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/124737/813925.aspx#813925
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/124736/813924.aspx#813924
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/124735/813923.aspx#813923
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mike said:
Make it where it is easy for me to delete or add or search a collection within the software itself.
Currently Faithlife group followers or members need to visit a web page to copy collection into their own library => https://faithlife.com/logos-collections/documents so a Logos 7 suggestion would allow document list to appear in Logos or Verbum for copying or updating.
Once document(s) have been copied into your library, the document(s) can only be modified by you. Optional is visiting web page later to see if any document(s) have been updated and choose to update your document copy to match published update.
mike said:Plus, they need to be built-in inside Logos 7 and not on a group or something.
Verbum has three built-in collections:
Three collections appear in Logos after using command "Set Verbum to Yes"; the rules for these built-in collections are maintained by Faithlife.
mike said:Make it where it is easy for me to delete or add or search a collection within the software itself.
Thankful for dynamic collection option for searching; please describe what would be easier.
If want to search resources, which have subject that includes apologetics, can open Basic Search for Everything, then click Everything followed by entering Library filter:
subj:apologetics
Clicking number of resources restricts search to list of resources without using a collection.
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the collections that come to my mind are ones that are used in searches e.g.- systematic theology
- biblical theology
- confessional documents
- grammars
- implicit collection in Ancient Literature, Catholic Topical Index, Liturgy ...
- tagging created "collections" for all Biblical entities ...
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Thanks for the reply.. But I knew all that you said.
That's is the reason why I propose the suggestions because the current system right now takes too many steps.
And the search button/area needs to be simplified. Kinda like search with morph after you type @.... Everything simple not making us too remember the operator and rules. If you've noticed..how many questions here on how to search for something because people (98% of Logos users) are not familiar with the operators. The way tech culture moves, smart companies make things easier for consumers not difficult.
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MJ. Smith said:
Get your proposals in the hopper before this particular window of opportunity closes.
My list:
- Creation of "projects"***
- Customizable section dividers in prioritization list.
- Creation of new highlighters (specifically new colors)
- Continued development of customized reading plans.
- Creation of crowd sourcing tools & program to help fix Vyrso resources
- ability to download on a subset of one's library to the app
***(From another post): "I have long been a proponent of the concept of "projects" coming to Logos. Each mobile app would have a default "mobile" (device specific) project, so all resource location info would stay put until you changed to a different "project." On the other hand, if you are working on a sermon for this week, next week, and a wedding, you could open any of those "projects" and go to the resource location for each respective project."
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(1) I want to second alabama's plea for projects. Layouts are a weird compromise measure which satisfies no one.
(2) True word clouds in the passage guide. https://community.logos.com/forums/p/122319/799459.aspx
(3) The ability to print the inline reverse interlinear. When preparing, I still print out my text with triple spacing and wide margins. I would really like to be able to do that with the reverse interlinear (copying and pasting gives a weird table, which makes controlling spacing very strange).
(4) To get me to actually use them: Make Community Notes more like regular notes.I want to open all of the community notes in a certain group as a note in the software, instead of that awkward side bar. Where then I can have a certain group open, right click and add rich text. Unlike a shared document, which has to be redownloaded, etc, my additions will automatically sync to everyone else's document.
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mike said:
And the search button/area needs to be simplified. Kinda like search with morph after you type @....
+1 [Y] for Search pop-up assistance when desired. Matching language markings could become like morph search @ with various morphologies (or integrated with @ morph search).
mike said:That's is the reason why I propose the suggestions because the current system right now takes too many steps.
Also dreaming of Search drop down list population filtering. Personally not use series nor mytag for search selection so not having them in search drop down list of resources seems more efficient (and less scrolling).
Likewise dreaming of Right Click Menu customization (order of items and pop-up size) so can reduce many clicks needed for scrolling.
Using an Interactive to select resource(s) for a search could be helpful: e.g. Systematic Theology to select desired resource(s) for search. Psalms and Proverbs Interactives could be useful for topical filtering with search.
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mike said:
Make it where it is easy for me to delete or add or search a collection within the software itself.
Currently Faithlife group followers or members need to visit a web page to copy collection into their own library => https://faithlife.com/logos-collections/documents so a Logos 7 suggestion would allow document list to appear in Logos or Verbum for copying or updating.
Open the Groups tool. Select "Logos Collections" using the item at the top of that panel. Select Documents a couple lines below that. Then search for the collection you want and click the Copy button to add it.
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MJ. Smith said:
Get your proposals in the hopper before this particular window of opportunity closes.
I'd like to have check boxes in the notes documents for each individual note. This would allow us to select several notes and then bulk move, copy, delete, tag etc. our notes. Just something that would greatly improve the quality of the notes documents.
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alabama24 said:MJ. Smith said:
Get your proposals in the hopper before this particular window of opportunity closes.
My list:
- Creation of "projects"***
- Customizable section dividers in prioritization list.
- Creation of new highlighters (specifically new colors)
- Continued development of customized reading plans.
- Creation of crowd sourcing tools & program to help fix Vyrso resources
- ability to download on a subset of one's library to the app
***(From another post): "I have long been a proponent of the concept of "projects" coming to Logos. Each mobile app would have a default "mobile" (device specific) project, so all resource location info would stay put until you changed to a different "project." On the other hand, if you are working on a sermon for this week, next week, and a wedding, you could open any of those "projects" and go to the resource location for each respective project."
I like the idea of number two in this list.
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mike said:
Make it where it is easy for me to delete or add or search a collection within the software itself.
Currently Faithlife group followers or members need to visit a web page to copy collection into their own library => https://faithlife.com/logos-collections/documents so a Logos 7 suggestion would allow document list to appear in Logos or Verbum for copying or updating.
Open the Groups tool. Select "Logos Collections" using the item at the top of that panel. Select Documents a couple lines below that. Then search for the collection you want and click the Copy button to add it.
Thanks; learned What's New in Logos 6 thread has link to New Feature: Faithlife Groups thread (albeit Documents not shown)
Web page shows who added document while Groups tool does not:
Dreaming of Date format option in Groups tool so can show relative date (current) or Date (as appears on web page).
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MJ. Smith said:
Get your proposals in the hopper before this particular window of opportunity closes.
My two highest priority UserVoice suggestions both relate to excessively bright color shades of a majority of Bible book cover icons (e.g., ESV, LEB) which were implemented with the introduction of Logos 6 and which in my opinion are a distraction from reading the Bible text and continue to cause me uncomfortable eye strain. The two suggestions (see links below) address this same issue but in different ways, presenting different potential solutions:
A third UserVoice suggestion I've submitted (see link below) involves a similar issue (the extreme bright orange color shade of the Link Set feature’s indicator box). This suggestion also includes several potential solutions:
I consider the three UserVoice suggestions listed above to be priority needs and I pray Logos considers them.
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My wishlist for Logos 7 is:
- The ability to search for links (so I could find all the times a particular book, or a particular page range of book is referenced in other resources).
- The ability to search within Headwords/LCV entries, just as we can search within Milestones (so I could search all the articles on a specific topic for a particular word/reference).
- A revamped prioritisation tool that isn't restricted to a tiny column within my library, and can better handle long prioritisation lists.
- The addition of a proper NOT operator in search (so you could do searches like Holy NOT(BEFORE 1 WORD Spirit). Currently we have to do Holy ANDNOT "Holy Spirit", which isn't the same thing).
- More intelligent search ranking, perhaps that factors in consideration how highly I have rated a book. The current system favours resources with very short articles, which is often very unhelpful.
- The ability to create collections from resource traits.
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I definitely think its time to further enhance the PB feature.mike said:My call is on October/November release.
My suggestions are:
- Have a build-in pdf/epub/mobi converter.
The ability to import documents of multiple types (maybe calibre will shareware with you), the ability to play videos, and audio from within the pb without launching an external player (you guys DO have some sort of player software builtin already for mobile ed).
I have probably a thousand documents that I would love to import en-masse. that would be a nice feature as well. for title, authors name (etc) it could read the meta-data.Further and for some backstage enhancements, you could generate a hash of each PB you host, and if my file matches MJ's - then there is no sense in hosting two copies on your servers. I suspect ALOT of the material people use as PB's comes from similar sources (eg the forum), so if 5000 people all have the same 9mb file, it makes more sense to host it once, rather than 5000 times.
Since logos is only looking at a hash of a file, it can't know whether the file is "honest" or not shielding faithlife. It maintains a users privacy because again, FL doesn't know anything beyond that these two files have the same hash.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Making notes can use a lot of repeated words and phrases. What if Logos provided a text-expander option so that users could enter their own shortcuts for words and phrases that they use regularly? This could speed up the process of entering notes.
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I would like to see a "Search Wizard" where you answer simple questions about the type of search and what you are looking for and where. the Wizard then constructs it and launches it for you.
Also I would like to see Personal Books accepted when in searchable PDF format without conversion to docx.
Auto spell check on everything similar to google.
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I already have TextExpander which works across all applications. I'm not sure I really want Faithlife trying to add this sort of functionality to Logos: it will make it more bloated, and I already have TextExpander set up to cover frequently-used phrases. If I'm using Textexpander it works in Word, Excel, my calendar, Logos, the forums in my browser and every other application on my Mac. I'd like to see Faithlife focusing on what it's good at, rather than making copies of other applications which they will then have to maintain and develop further.AndrewG said:Making notes can use a lot of repeated words and phrases. What if Logos provided a text-expander option so that users could enter their own shortcuts for words and phrases that they use regularly? This could speed up the process of entering notes.
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Thanks for your reply, Greg. Being PC based I have yet to find a reliable text expander (although I expect there will be plenty of people who will give me some good suggestions).
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AndrewG said:
Thanks for your reply, Greg. Being PC based I have yet to find a reliable text expander (although I expect there will be plenty of people who will give me some good suggestions).
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Make pop-up windows for reference links large enough to display the entire reference--allow scrolling within the pop-up window if necessary.
I've always been frustrated by the small size of the pop up windows for reference links--especially scripture reference links. They're often too small to show the entire reference, even though there is plenty of room on the screen for a pop-up window that is large enough to show the entire reference. This often make checking a reference a three step process:
- Hover over the link only to find the pop-up window is too small to display it all.
- Click on the link to open the reference in another tab (which usually opens in a different pane.)
- Click on the original resource tab that contained the link, so you can return to that resource.
It really interrupts the work-flow.
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Well, those are some good suggestions, Rick, about the size of the pop-up windows, but I would like to see customization options for those pop-ups. Not everyone wants "big" pop-up windows and not everyone wants "small" pop-up windows. So it would be nice if we could have the option to re-size those pop-ups (small, medium, large, huge) as our default and a "zoom" feature in case we change our mind on a particular resource in the moment (like a <ctrl + middle mouse wheel> and then letting it return to our customized default size).
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Yes, I was thinking along those lines as well, but doubted the likelihood of it making it into 7 if it became too complicated, so I left it as bare bones as possible. For me, it would be a big step forward even if the only change was to make the entire reference available in the pop-up window via a scrolling capability--one of the thoughts mentioned in my previous post.Bill Carroll said:Well, those are some good suggestions, Rick, about the size of the pop-up windows, but I would like to see customization options for those pop-ups. Not everyone wants "big" pop-up windows and not everyone wants "small" pop-up windows. So it would be nice if we could have the option to re-size those pop-ups (small, medium, large, huge) as our default and a "zoom" feature in case we change our mind on a particular resource in the moment (like a <ctrl + middle mouse wheel> and then letting it return to our customized default size).
I'm wondering though if this thread is going to be perused by Faithlife for possible version 7 enhancements, or if we need to be posting individual User Voice topics.
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I second (or third) being able to import PDF/mobi/ePub into personal collections. It is BEYOND me why this is not already implemented, but I'm sure there were good reasons.
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Do love this suggestion in its overall point and in its details.
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Rick Ausdahl said:
Yes, I was thinking along those lines as well, but doubted the likelihood of it making it into 7 if it became too complicated, so I left it as bare bones as possible. For me, it would be a big step forward even if the only change was to make the entire reference available in the pop-up window via a scrolling capability--one of the thoughts mentioned in my previous post.Bill Carroll said:Well, those are some good suggestions, Rick, about the size of the pop-up windows, but I would like to see customization options for those pop-ups. Not everyone wants "big" pop-up windows and not everyone wants "small" pop-up windows. So it would be nice if we could have the option to re-size those pop-ups (small, medium, large, huge) as our default and a "zoom" feature in case we change our mind on a particular resource in the moment (like a <ctrl + middle mouse wheel> and then letting it return to our customized default size).
I'm wondering though if this thread is going to be perused by Faithlife for possible version 7 enhancements, or if we need to be posting individual User Voice topics.
We can keep from derailing this collection by discussing details here.
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Liam said:
I would love a night mode that would invert all black/white/& gray scale, yet retain all other existing colors.
Logos wiki => Night Mode includes Negative Screen link, which has Smart Color Alt 1
+alt+F3 (with High color saturation) on Windows 7
Normal Color for comparison:
UserVoice suggestion => black background includes comment from Faithlife:
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See https://wiki.logos.com/Night_Mode for ways to invert the colors on your PC/Mac, including Logos 6
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Rick Ausdahl said:
I'm wondering though if this thread is going to be perused by Faithlife for possible version 7 enhancements, or if we need to be posting individual User Voice topics.
Perusing now.
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Thanks, Eli ! [:D]Eli Evans said:Rick Ausdahl said:I'm wondering though if this thread is going to be perused by Faithlife for possible version 7 enhancements, or if we need to be posting individual User Voice topics.
Perusing now.
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In the concordance took, I would like to see:
1. ability to choose collections, instead of individual resources
2. ability to export the full result, like being able to export a search result
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I would like an easy way of enabling/disabling the principal things that slow Verbum/Logos down. An easily accessible new menu that lists them and includes toggle switches would probably do the trick. This could go along with having options to disable some things that right now can't be disabled that some real portion of Verbum/Logos users don't need at least a good part of the time.
Being able to set a persisting default for what sections of particular Guides start off as open (rather than each Guide necessarily automatically starting with all of the sections open that were open when it was last closed) would be nice.
Options/controls for what resources will open where (as discussed repeatedly in the forums) would be great. I especially want to be able to switch the default opening side for a new resource being added to a blank layout to the left.
The ability to create fine-grained auto-saving layouts would be very helpful. I want to be able to create, say, a ResearchProjectX layout that updates itself while I use it, so that I can exit it, close Verbum, or turn off my computer on the fly without having to worry about saving the layout manually all the time. I also want a Close Active Layout button in my shortcut bar, which doesn't seem to be possible.
The History pane would be more useful if there was an option for it to show me more information.
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I would like the ability to have a pop up window display Bible verses which are referenced OUTSIDE the program, such as in PDFs, ebooks, or virtually anything for that matter. This exists in a freeware, so I'd assume it can't be that difficult (I could be wrong). All you have to do is simply highlight a section of text that contains Bible references, press Ctrl-C and the popup comes up with the list of passages in it. It's great, but it's the only thing I use that freeware for and think others would appreciate it in Logos 7.
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I wish we had some control over making the screen black with white lettering...something designed for readers please.
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JoshInRI said:
I wish we had some control over making the screen black with white lettering...something designed for readers please.
This is possible in Windows, see here..
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/124701/817681.aspx#817681
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James Taylor said:
I would like the ability to have a pop up window display Bible verses which are referenced OUTSIDE the program, such as in PDFs, ebooks, or virtually anything for that matter. This exists in a freeware, so I'd assume it can't be that difficult (I could be wrong). All you have to do is simply highlight a section of text that contains Bible references, press Ctrl-C and the popup comes up with the list of passages in it. It's great, but it's the only thing I use that freeware for and think others would appreciate it in Logos 7.
Please elaborate on desire to search files OUTSIDE of Logos Bible Software. For search speed, Logos indexes words in library resources. Thankful for personal books that allow docx to be compiled for use in Logos Bible Software. Note: PDF format determines search-ability; pictures of text need conversion for digital searching.
Adding "Copy Bible Verses" to right click choices for Bible reference should be helpful:
Right Click menu has Copy, which copies Bible Verse(s) from Top preferred Bible to clipboard.
Currently can open Bible to reference followed by using keyboard shortcut to open Copy Bible Verses to that reference.
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Im trying to organize my library into categories and have quickly realized that this will be a lifelong task, and my library is not as big as most users. I would love it if Logos pre-organized all books by subject, and then allowed the users to manually change that organization (or to never implement the Logos categorizing). This way a user would say, be able to open their library to the biography section, and see all given biographies on Martin Luther; or open their library to "theology > baptism" and see all their books on baptism. To categorize all our books in the favorites tool is the only way to do this currently, and for almost any user, in all seriousness, this could be a life long endeavor!
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From a practical perspective, how do you expect the Faithlife subject tagging to differ from the already available subject metadata?
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As far as I can tell, the subject metadata is only available on the website, and has no impact on the resources once they are in my library (tell me if I'm wrong because I'd love to use this data if it were accessible within Logos). But integration of the metadata from the website into the actual app would be excellent. As far as I'm concerned it would be best if the default library view was in these category folders. Instead of having this as the default, they could also simply add a separate way to view the library, much like the panel vs line item toggle view that exists now.
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I was thinking of this .. which has some short comings but ...
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MJ. Smith said:
I was thinking of this .. which has some short comings but ...
Ah yes this is helpful, but the difference is the inclusion of sub-categories. Biography > Luther, or theology > baptism are much more precise than only being able to search for say Luther, or baptism. Although I'm not sure if the Logos metadata has the subcategories as they stand.
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I see what you're proposing - a faceted topical search of the library. Good idea if it can be implemented.
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I would like to see a flashcard function added to Logos - Bible facts for kids, Biblical history, Early church history, Theology, vocabulary ... with a few card decks provided by Faithlife and some provided by users.
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