BUG: unable to correctly tag Staff

1. Open Jeffrey, David L. A Dictionary of Biblical Tradition in English Literature. Grand Rapids, MI: W.B. Eerdmans, 1992.

2. In the entry on Aaron, in the third paragraph select "rod" - note these are the rods that represent the tribes.

3. Right click; select Community tag

4. Note that the tag that is used in the Bible is not available to me in Community tags - I need the thing not the occupation.

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Philana R. Crouch

MJ,

This behavior is because of how things get classified. Items associated with the person's profession gets classified as occupation.

Blessings,

Philana

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/834557#Comment_834557

Yes, that is precisely what is wrong. On the first image we see Shepherd's staff as a Thing. In the location I am trying to tag, the Shepherd's Staff is a Thing standing in for a tribe of people. It says nothing about the occupation of those people.

The choice to make one entry in Factbook for a word was, in my opinion, a big mistake. It is like taking the Oxford English Dictionary and saying that a word has only one sense. The result is things like this where I can SEE the correct tagging being used but I am NOT ALLOWED to use the correct tagging. Not to mention that a shepherd's staff is never an occupation - it is a tool of an occupation. To imply that it is always a stand-in for an occupation is an interpretative step I don't want Logos making.

Sean Boisen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/834571#Comment_834571

The annotation in Num 17:2 is for bk.$shepherdsStaff. We're not claiming it is an occupation, but rather than it's in the general domain of occupational things (like other things for agriculture, weaving, etc.). I'm open to other suggestions, provided they're not too clunky: "Occupation-related artifact" is more thorough but verbose. If you type "thing:s" in the Factbook search box and wait for the dropdown to display, you'll see a sampling of the kinds of bins we have (Body and body parts, Animals, Transportation, etc.).

The decision to group things in Factbook is to support those who don't care about our minor distinctions, and just want helpful information grouped together. I'm afraid you're at the other end of the spectrum of users who want to make those subtle distinctions.

That being said, i'm not sure why you feel you're not allowed to use the correct tagging. We only have one BK thing which is a staff (type "thing:staff" in the Factbook search panel), along with several instances of it. What are you wanting to use but can't?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/834580#Comment_834580

In community tagging I want to make the right click menu look like the green line in the post above rather than red line. Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/834571#Comment_834571

Let me intrude a little, but Aaron's staff is called "Aaron's Rod" whilst Moses' staff is called "Mose's staff" - both being a "Shepherd's staff" which is an Occupation (concentrate on the obvious typo with naming, but the inconsistency with naming is also worth noting).

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/834582#Comment_834582

In community tagging I want to make the right click menu look like the green line in the post above rather than red line. Thanks for taking the time to respond.

It will, once you tag it.

It's exactly the same, uh, thing. The Context Menu and the Community Tags drop-down simply displays its category differently when they list it. The context menu shows the broadest category, Thing[1], and the drop-down picker shows its subcategory (which I think also displays in Factbook). Under the hood, it's the same internal identifier.

The bug here may be a minor inconsistency in how categories of things (and people and places, etc.) are labelled within the software. If I had to decide, I'd probably say the context menu is "wrong", or at the least, "most inconsistent": its grey subtitle text shows a mix of (depending on the context menu item): gloss, morph details, data type name, word sense part of speech, biblical entity kind, and probably more.

I'd probably file this one away for eventual cleanup if and when the context menu is overhauled.

[1] Not strictly true: you could say the broadest category was "data type reference", within that "biblical knowledgebase reference" and within that, Thing.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/834626#Comment_834626

To demonstrate this difference for a different item, right-click on "chiefs" in Num 17:2. You'll see that "Leaders providing Staffs" is tagged Person (broad category) on the context menu, while it was shown as "Group of people, leader" (two subcategories) in your second screenshot. Same thing, just different categorisation being displayed.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/834628#Comment_834628

Thank you Bradley - that helps a lot.