Aquinas' Catena Aurea

I'll throw out the request again, any more takers for the Community Pricing of Thomas Aquinas' Catena Aurea?

http://www.logos.com/communitypricing/details/5216

One of the great Christian theologians of our time...his commentary on the Gospels uniquely using the work of the early Church Fathers! A 13th century masterpiece, well worth even $40 on community pricing! (Books go for $120 - $150).

Sign up - help give us all this great treasure, we are 50% there at $20!!!! Can you bid $40 if you have already bid, that will let less people push this work over the top!

Thank you and God bless!!

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Peter Jonas

Looks like an awesome resource, well worth $40. I click yes.

Peter Jonas

Arcadia, WI

NetworkGeek

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/83696#Comment_83696

It looks to me roughly that 50% of the needed funds are there at a $20 bid, and about 28% of the funds are there at a $40 bid.

Without going through all the algebra, I calculate that about 3.5 times the number of people have bid $20 as have bid $40.

So for example, if 10 people have bid $40, then 35 people have bid $20 (you can see the math, the 35 people have bid $700, and if that is 50% of the total funding, or $1400, then the 10 bids of $40, or $400, is 28% of the total funding. This 35 people includes the 10 $20 bids, so 25 people have bid $20 as their highest bid. Lost yet? [*-)]

SO ------- in this example, if the 25 people who bid only $20 would just up their bid to $40, we would have $35 people at $40, or $1400 - EXACTLY the funding price!

If you BID $20, could you please consider bidding $40??? Thanks so much for considering it, it's a great piece of biblical work!!

Jeremy White

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/83710#Comment_83710

Unfortunately, the highest point is actually only 40% but your basic logic still stands. Actually, the situation is actually a little improved - it would only take everyone who has already bid to increase to $36 (if they have bid under this amount) for it to get to 100% - that's without taking into account anyone you can convince to bid who hasn't already.

Last week I did an analysis on each Community Pricing title http://community.logos.com/forums/t/10089.aspx - I'll redo the calculations again next month .

But just at a quick glance comparing with last week there has been an increase in bidding and the amount bid - but still some ways to go.

If you're wanting to champion this title then go for it - your audience is growing - by my observation there are an extra couple of thousand users on the forums now compared to 3 weeks ago. A lot of these people are likely to have never heard of the community pricing page.

Jim VanSchoonhoven

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/83710#Comment_83710

Domminick Sela, if he, (Thomas Aquinas) is one of the great Christian Theologians of our time, then I am thinking you are alot older than most of us!!!!

How old are you?

In Christ,

Jim

NetworkGeek

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/83736#Comment_83736

Oops I slipped on my age....maybe this photo of me a few millenia ago will help you guess..

Jim VanSchoonhoven

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/83739#Comment_83739

Holy Moses you are old!

In Christ,

Jim

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/83734#Comment_83734

it would only take everyone who has already bid to increase to $36 (if they have bid under this amount) for it to get to 100% - that's without taking into account anyone you can convince to bid who hasn't already.

I bid $40 on this as soon as I knew about it, so there's no way for me to increase my bid. But I sure think it would be worth $40, so if anyone is hanging out at the $10 or $20 point, please consider increasing to at least $25 or $30...

Ronald Quick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/83746#Comment_83746

I just increased mine from $20 to $40.

Jack Caviness

OK I increased my bid from $22 to $40.

Clinton Thomas

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/83734#Comment_83734

Hey Jeremy,

I have a spreadsheet where if you put in the bid prices and eyeball the percentages (then tweak to account for error in eyeballing), it will give you the roll up bids for each value, if all the lower people were to up there bid to that value.

Let me know if you want a copy

Clinton

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/83906#Comment_83906

HEY Everybody!

We are finally seeing a chance this will make it out of community pricing. If you want it and are only in for the low end of the bidding, I would ask you to consider one thing. This has been on CP so long now, the rate of inflation would justify each of us bumping up our bids 10%.

I'd do it if there wasn't a ceiling on the bid graph. (I'm topped out.) This resources will be worth every penny. And the Community Pricing is the closest thing to getting it for free. Consider the George Mueller set that is in Pre-Pub for $79 now. CP bidders are locked in for $15.

So please look at it again and consider increasing your bid (or entering one) for this great resource.

SteveF

any more takers for the Community Pricing of Thomas Aquinas' Catena Aurea

Check out Rosie's supportive post listing the contributors.

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/15032.aspx

Fred Chapman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/114790#Comment_114790

Just increased my bid from $20 to $40. Let's get this done!

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/83906#Comment_83906

I have a spreadsheet where if you put in the bid prices and eyeball the percentages (then tweak to account for error in eyeballing), it will give you the roll up bids for each value, if all the lower people were to up there bid to that value.

Clinton:

I would like a copy of this sheet if still available.

Andy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/114995#Comment_114995

Just up-ed my bid to $40 also...

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/114995#Comment_114995

Clinton:

I would like a copy of this sheet if still available.

Me too. (Not that I will really understand it but ...let's give it a try)

<edited out email > [;)] Got it Clinton. Thanks!

Clinton Thomas

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/115003#Comment_115003

floydj

S.u.p.e.r.t.r.a.m.p

Sent.

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/115037#Comment_115037

Got it as well - thanks.

LimJK

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/115050#Comment_115050

Up mine from 20 to 40 [:)]

Ryan Lenerz

Now that this item has shipped, I am pleased to say it is even better than I thought it would be. Additionally, it is linked to the Ante-Nicene Fathers books, so while it takes excerpts of homilies for each phrase within a verse, with a single click, you can see that excerpt in it's entirety. Fantastic resource!

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/196858#Comment_196858

Now that this item has shipped, I am pleased to say it is even better than I thought it would be. Additionally, it is linked to the Ante-Nicene Fathers books, so while it takes excerpts of homilies for each phrase within a verse, with a single click, you can see that excerpt in it's entirety. Fantastic resource!

[Y][Y] can't tell you how happy I am with this resource! It was a terrific steal as a community pricing product, but it is one of my most looked-forward to products across the board. The tie-ins with the A-N fathers is absolutely how Logos is supposed to be! Wicked! (said in the modern vernacular meaning . . . .)

Fred Chapman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/196863#Comment_196863

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Bill Shewmaker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/196863#Comment_196863

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https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/196879#Comment_196879

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Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/196882#Comment_196882

I, too, am pretty impressed with this resource.

Alan Macgregor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/196863#Comment_196863

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Dan, I couldn't agree more. I ran it yesterday for the first time and I just loved the links into the A-N Fathers. It will be even better when Bede's Works are published at the end of this month! [:D]

Every blessing

Alan

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/196924#Comment_196924

This is one of the biggest success stories in the Logus user community pulling together to help see a CP product get the number of orders it needed to get into production, and I'm so impressed with Logos for how quickly they got it out. The links to ANF and NPNF are a big plus. Well done, Logos! This is easily going to become one of my most used resources.

Also, a big thank you to MJ Smith (Martha) for letting us know of the importance of this resource back so many months ago. I'd never even heard of it before. But once I learned what it was I jumped on the bandwagon with enthusiasm and wrote the Logos blog post that I think ultimately pushed this over the top.

John Graves

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/196967#Comment_196967

Never been happier with a resource as far as price and quality of taggin etc. Unbeatable!

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/196858#Comment_196858

How do I interpret the series of comments on a single passage? eg. Matt 25:14:30

ORIGEN. Whenever you see of those who have received from Christ...

GREGORY. (ubi sup.) Otherwise; The five talents denote ... ==> does Otherwise indicate he is commenting on Origen's remarks?

GLOSS. (ord.) And straightway took his journey, not changing his place, but leaving them to their own freewill and choice of action.

JEROME. He that had received five talents, ...

GREGORY. (ubi sup.) There are also some who though they cannot pierce to things inward and mystical ==> is also related to his previous comment?

ORIGEN. Or, They that have their senses exercised by ==> to what is or related?

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/197025#Comment_197025

Matt 25:31-45

CHRYSOSTOM. Observe that He says not ‘Receive,’ but possess, or inherit, as duo to you from of old.

Luke12:41-46

CYRIL OF ALEXANDRIA. Thus the faithful and wise servant prudently giving out in due season the servants’ food, that is, their spiritual meat, will be blessed according to the Saviour’s word, in that he will obtain still greater things, and will be thought worthy of the rewards which are duo to friends.

Is duo a typo for due?

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/197025#Comment_197025

How do I interpret the series of comments on a single passage? eg. Matt 25:14:30

ORIGEN. Whenever you see of those who have received from Christ...

GREGORY. (ubi sup.) Otherwise; The five talents denote ... ==> does Otherwise indicate he is commenting on Origen's remarks?

No. He's commenting on the Matthew passage. These excerpts from the Church Fathers were pulled out of their original context and arranged in this order by Aquinas. You'd need to look at the context from which that quote came to see what the "Otherwise" is referring to. For many of the works quoted in Catena Aurea, Logos has provided links to the fuller context, but for these words by Gregory ("ubi sup." is short for "ubi supra" which means "where (mentioned or cited) above" -- thanks to Collins Latin Dictionary and Grammar in Logos! -- which refers to his Hom. in Ev. ix, l.) we don't have that. But a little sleuthing can find it: "Hom. in Ev." is an abbreivation of one of Gregory's works. A search in Logos for it along with abbreviations found it listed in the Hermeneia volume on Matthew 8-20. Its full title is Homiliarum in evangelia. My Latin is almost non-existent, but I bet that means Homilies on the Gospels. I've found the Latin text of that work online and it is clearly a bunch of homilies, numbered. So this reference Hom. in Ev. ix, l. is referring to Homilia IX (Homily 9) which can be found in this PDF on p. 39. It is titled "LECTIO S. EVANG. SEC. MATTH. XXV, 14-30." (Reading from the holy gospel according to Matthew 25:14-30). The second Roman numeral there is actually a lower case L which would mean paragraph 50, but there are only 6 paragraphs in this homily, so it is probably a typo. Probably supposed to be a 1. Indeed in the first paragraph, with my limited Latin and the dictionary, I can find the original text that is translated into English in that comment you quoted. It is "Quinque ergo talentis donum quinque sensuum, id est exteriorum scientia, exprimitur. Duobus vero intellectus et operatio designatur. Unius autem talenti nomine intellectus tantummodo designatur." There's no "otherwise" in there. There's an "ergo" which means "therefore" (according to Collins). So I got curious and started searching for other similar uses of Otherwise, and lo and behold, it's all over the place, either "Otherwise;" or "Or otherwise;" before a comment. Thomas Aquinas the editor must have meant something by inserting it. But I cannot discover what.

Furthermore, some more Google searching led me to the English translation of Homiliarum in evangelia. It is called Forty Gospel Homilies, published by Cistercian Publications, #123 in their Cistercian Studies Series, which by the way would be an awesome series to have in Logos. EDIT: Here is an introduction to Forty Gospel Homilies.

GLOSS. (ord.) And straightway took his journey, not changing his place, but leaving them to their own freewill and choice of action.

JEROME. He that had received five talents, ...

GREGORY. (ubi sup.) There are also some who though they cannot pierce to things inward and mystical ==> is also related to his previous comment?

Not necessarily. Only if these two excerpts came back to back from the original text. I'm not going to attempt my Latin translation exercise again to find out where this text comes in the original Latin.

ORIGEN. Or, They that have their senses exercised by ==> to what is or related?

Possibly the previous context in Origen's work, though as with "Otherwise" Aquinas seems to use this at the beginning of his excerpts quite often. Aquinas did not tell us from what work of Origen's this excerpt comes. Probably his commentary on Matthew. From the Preface of Catena Aurea: "The Catena begins to quote Origen’s Commentary on S. Matt. at chap. 16 though our fragment of it begins as early as chap. 13 It uses the Old Interpretation, which Huet conjectures to have been the work of Bellator, or of some contemporary of Cassiodorus. This version will be found in the Ben. Ed. of Origen, and is according to Huet barbarous and full of errors."

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/197029#Comment_197029

Matt 25:31-45

CHRYSOSTOM. Observe that He says not ‘Receive,’ but possess, or inherit, as duo to you from of old.

Luke12:41-46

CYRIL OF ALEXANDRIA. Thus the faithful and wise servant prudently giving out in due season the servants’ food, that is, their spiritual meat, will be blessed according to the Saviour’s word, in that he will obtain still greater things, and will be thought worthy of the rewards which are duo to friends.

Is duo a typo for due?

Yes. Google search for some unique phrase from each of those texts with due substituted for duo and you'll find them in Catena Aurea on Google Books:

David Ames

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/197029#Comment_197029

Is duo a typo for due?

dat. dusí occurs in Matt. 6:24; 22:40. With the nom. noun (Matt. 9:27; 20:21; Luke 7:41; John 1:37). With the gen. noun (Matt. 18:16; 20:24; Luke 12:6; John 1:40). With the acc. noun (Matt. 4:18; Luke 3:11). The phrase “two or three” (Matt. 18:20; 1 Cor. 14:29) means some, a few. The phrases aná dúo (aná [303]) and katá dúo (katá [2596], a distributive prep.) mean by two and two (Luke 9:3; 10:1; 1 Cor. 14:27); eis dúo (eis [1519], into), means in two parts (Matt. 27:51; Mark 15:38); dúo dúo means two and two (Mark 6:7; Sept.: Gen. 6:20).

Deriv.: dekadúo (1177) and dṓdeka (1427), twelve.

The Complete Word Study Dictionary : New Testament,

1417. δύο duō, doo´-ŏ; a prim. numeral; “two”:—both, twain, two.

vol. 1, A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible, 24

dual

■ adjective

1 consisting of two parts, elements, or aspects.

▶ Grammar denoting an inflection that refers to exactly two people or things.

2 (often dual to) Mathematics related to another theorem or expression by the interchange of terms, such as ‘point’ and ‘line’.

■ noun

1 Grammar a dual inflection.

2 Mathematics a theorem or expression that is dual to another.

■ verb (duals, dualling, dualled) Brit. convert (a road) into a dual carriageway.

– derivatives duality noun (plural dualities). dualize (or dualise) verb dually adverb

– origin Middle English: from Latin dualis, from duo ‘two’.

Concise Oxford English Dictionary, 11th ed

[We can not let Rosie Perera have all the fun]

David Ames

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/197085#Comment_197085

Skiped a line

1417. δύο dúo; indeclinable, used for all genders, cardinal number. Two. The irregular and later dat. dusí occurs in Matt. 6:24; 22:40. With the nom. noun (Matt. 9:27; 20:21; Luke 7:41; John 1:37). With the gen. noun (Matt. 18:16; 20:24; Luke 12:6; John 1:40). With the acc. noun (Matt.

[all I did was search for duo]

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/197047#Comment_197047

So I got curious and started searching for other similar uses of Otherwise, and lo and behold, it's all over the place, either "Otherwise;" or "Or otherwise;" before a comment. Thomas Aquinas the editor must have meant something by inserting it. But I cannot discover what.

The number of introductory "Otherwise" and "Or" was immediately obvious but it makes sense that these are inserted by editor Aquinas. He seems to be relating the quotes from the different authors ie. a different perspective on the five talents by Origen and Hilary. The also seems to be Origen following his previous comment on the five talents, artificially separated by the editor inserting comments from other authors.

Aquinas also appears to have paraphrased some of the original authors eg.

Matt 1:2

CHRYSOSTOM. (Hom. iii.) Matthew then, desiring to preserve in memory the lineage of the Lord’s humanity through the succession of His parents, begins with Abraham, saying, Abraham begat Isaac. Why does he not mention lsmael, his first-born? And again, Isaac begat Jacob; why does he not speak of Esau his first-born? Because through them he could not have come down to David.

The nearest I can relate that to Hom. iii from NPNF 1:10 is:-

2. But why is it, that having mentioned Abraham, and having said that “he begat Isaac, and Isaac, Jacob;” and not having made any mention of his brother; when he is come to Jacob, he remembers both “Judah, and his brethren”? Now there are some that say, it was because of the perverseness of Esau, and of the rest that came before. But I should not say this; for if it were so, how is it that he a little after mentions such women? It being out of contraries, in this place, that His glory is manifested; not by having great forefathers, but low and of little account. For to the lofty One it is a great glory to be able to abase Himself exceedingly. Wherefore then did He not mention them? Because Saracens, and Ishmaelites, and Arabians, and as many as are sprung from those ancestors, have nothing in common with the race of the Israelites. For this cause then he passes over those in silence, and hastens on to His forefathers, and those of the Jewish people. Wherefore he saith, “And Jacob begat Judas and his brethren.” For at this point the race of the Jews begins to have its peculiar mark.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/197048#Comment_197048

Yes. Google search for some unique phrase from each of those texts with due substituted for duo and you'll find them in Catena Aurea on Google Books:

Thanks, Rosie.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/197089#Comment_197089

[all I did was search for duo]

Did you use your Intel Core 2 Duo?

David Ames

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/197095#Comment_197095

Did you use your Intel Core 2 Duo?

Yes, an I-3 duo core and duo thread for each core

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/197095#Comment_197095

[all I did was search for duo]

Did you use your Intel Core 2 Duo?

Due is also "two" in Italian (uno, due, tre, ...)

A duo is a musical piece played or sung by two musicians. The plural of that is dui. Even though it's from the Italian, and we'd normally say "duos" in English, dui is a valid Scrabble word and comes in handy from time to time. [:)]

A DUI is also a driving infraction. [au][B] [:)]

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/197254#Comment_197254

dui is a valid Scrabble word and comes in handy from time to time.

YOU have time for Scrabble? [:O] That smiley is supposed to denote surprise, but I am not sure what it looks like. [8-|]

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/197260#Comment_197260

dui is a valid Scrabble word and comes in handy from time to time.

YOU have time for Scrabble? That smiley is supposed to denote surprise, but I am not sure what it looks like.

Oh yes, I play it on Facebook with a friend of mine. Just two or three moves a day, so it's only a few minutes in total per day. But I need something to blow off time once in a while, you know. One doesn't get up to 7000 posts on these forums without a certain amount of stress. Relaxing with a mentally stimulating game is just the ticket! [:)]

Michael March

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/197267#Comment_197267

Just another word to say about this awesome resource, and how well Logos tagged it so that I can go to the original if I have it and want to and see the full context. Really great work Logos. Amazing to see how easy it is to do serious research with this tool.

Jeff Peyton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/197312#Comment_197312

Michael,

I was wondering if you could help me with this resource. I just got notified that this was available and I was charged $14 for it, but it is not showing up in my library. I have Logos 4 and have auto updates turned on. I searched on Catena and Aquinas with no luck. Is it hiding under some other name?

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/197706#Comment_197706

Michael,
I was wondering if you could help me with this resource. I just got notified that this was available and I was charged $14 for it, but it is not showing up in my library. I have Logos 4 and have auto updates turned on. I searched on Catena and Aquinas with no luck. Is it hiding under some other name?

Jeff --

You might want to start another thread with this question. I suspect that there are people who could be of help, but they might not see the question at the end of this thread.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/197706#Comment_197706

I just got notified that this was available and I was charged $14 for it,

The email tells you to type Update now in the command bar. You can also restart L4.

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/197844#Comment_197844

I just got notified that this was available and I was charged $14 for it,

The email tells you to type Update now in the command bar. You can also restart L4.

Jeff, did you have success yet? Sometimes there is a lag time between notification or others getting it, and you getting it. I think mine came after a little delay, but I have it.