Speed on which Logos boots up
Why is it that Logos will boot up sometimes within 10 seconds and other times as much as 25 seconds? I'm booting up from a cold start in Windows 10 and it's bang bang pow and everything is there at incredible speed (SSD).
But though the speed is incredibly fast booting up in Windows, I'm getting various bootup times with Logos. Has anyone else experienced this and is there a logical answer as to why this unit might be doing this?
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Bootjack said:
Has anyone else experienced this and is there a logical answer as to why this unit might be doing this?
I don't really see what you are describing but one explanation could be that you are booting to different layouts at different times. Is that the case or are you always booting to the same thing - Homepage, Blank Layout, etc?
If you ensure diagnostic logging is enabled and then post logs after a "quick startup" and a "slow one" it might be possible to compare what is going on.
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I'm booting into Logos with no layouts etc opened. Also, I'm sorry but can I ask you again how to ensure diagnostic logging is enabled. Having done this maybe once or so, I don't remember how to do this stuff of course. If you don't mind, just a quick description on how to do this without referring me to pages of info. If I remember correctly, one starts Logos holding down the Control Key, correct? Or is that incorrect? I'll appreciate that if possible. Thanks.
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Bootjack said:
can I ask you again how to ensure diagnostic logging is enabled
See the links in my signature line.
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Bootjack said:
I'm booting into Logos with no layouts etc opened.
Ok - so booting the same way all the time but sometimes it takes longer than others
Bootjack said:Also, I'm sorry but can I ask you again how to ensure diagnostic logging is enabled
Please follow step 4 at https://www.logos.com/support/windows/report-problem
(and then steps 2 & 3 to upload logs)
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I've just started Logos by holding down the Control Key but didn't find any log file later than the 8th of this month. I'm going to attempt to send you that particular one.
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I forgot to mention that I have a cef.log created today but not sure if that's what you need or not. Furthermore, I'd have to create a different log file each time I open Logos and that could take time. Reason being, I have no idea when it's going to be fast or slow. My system is left in sleep mode when I'm not using it thus very seldom is it shut down. I realize this doesn't give you much to go on but if there's something else you want to suggest, please do. I'm going to be out for a while but will get back to this later. Again, thank you so much for the efforts and help.
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Bootjack said:
I forgot to mention that I have a cef.log created today but not sure if that's what you need or not.
We are really looking for the logos.log file
Bootjack said:Furthermore, I'd have to create a different log file each time I open Logos and that could take time
If you followed step 4 on the page I referenced above a new Logos.log file should be created automatically each time you start Logos.
It would be helpful to verify this is happening so you can upload it when you see that startup times are unusually slow.
Bootjack said:My system is left in sleep mode when I'm not using it thus very seldom is it shut down
So how frequently do you start the Logos app?
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Here's the Logos log file. As to how many times I actually reboot the computer, not very often. I do when updates come either from Microsoft and sometimes for Norton.
Let me know what you think ...
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This shows Logos took just under 12 seconds to load.
Is that consistent with what you experienced?
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That would be normal. I've counted when I first got the SSD and it was 10-12 seconds. Several times, I've seen it go between 20-25 seconds. Doesn't that sound strange? Or do you see that much variance on your own system.
Each time I boot up Logos and I see it lingering like that, I'll send you the Log file so you can see what goes.
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Bootjack said:
Each time I boot up Logos and I see it lingering like that, I'll send you the Log file so you can see what goes.
That's the key - without the log it is very difficult to work out what is going on
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I'll boot it up often to see if it goes linger and when I see it doing that, I'll send you the Log. I realize I'm presenting something here that's difficult to see till I get a slow load. But as soon as I do, I'll post it to this thread. In the meantime, have you ever heard of this happening before?
I'm going to be out for a while but I'll look forward to your reply and eventual help. Thank you again.
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Bootjack said:
In the meantime, have you ever heard of this happening before?
Yes - there have been various occasions of people reporting longer than normal boot times, although I can't remember if it was intermittent with them.
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.Bootjack said:As to how many times I actually reboot the computer, not very often. I do when updates come either from Microsoft and sometimes for Norton.
This might be the problem. Windows performs best when it is restarted every so often to clean out its cache and other undesirables.
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I can see that, although if what you're saying is correct, why wouldn't Logos boot up within 10 seconds (as it normally does) instead of 20-25 seconds "after" the reboot?
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First time after a reboot of the computer is usually slower than subsequent starts of Logos. I did a (boring) comparison of a slow start with one 13s quicker and the main difference was license checks "(licenses not changed, licenses not removed)". So keep your previous logs to enable comparison (rename logos.log after closing Logos). If you have a text editor, then you will also note that the text "Showing main window" gives the time and also has a much different line number (showing about 100 extra lines of activity in my case).
Dave
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I just started Logos while watching the Task Manager / Performance Tab / Ethernet. I did it again to be sure.
There is internet activity when you first start logos. At least there is when it defaults to opening the 'home' page. I suspect that activity also happens even on a blank screen so that any content about sales, events, etc. is available when you do open the home page.
An extra ten seconds on internet traffic sounds like a lot... unless something is causing a slowdown.
For example:
- Fresh boot and ethernet handshake (DHCP assignment and such) has not yet completed.
- Internet connection is not really 'always on' and has to do network handshaking between your modem and your ISP.
- Slow response of DNS Servers (I see this often enough that slow internet issues make me recommend using 8.8.8.8 as DNS Server to see if it improves).
- General bandwidth clogs.
- A few lost packets (even only 5%) can play havoc with a connection. If the request doesn't get there, the sender (you) has to wait until confirmation of the receipt doesn't show up (timeout) and try again.
I don't know that this is the problem but if you watch your Task Manager each time you load you may see a difference in how the traffic flows.
To get there on Windows 10:
- type task manager in the 'search the web and windows' box
- click on task manager
- go to the performance tab
- click on Ethernet in the left hand column to get the zoomed in graph.
- Start logos.
Have a great day!
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From a layman's perspective, am I understanding from the last two postings that what I'm experiencing "might be" or "is" normal? Dean, I cannot get anything from the Ethernet in Taskmanager (disconnected) because I'm on wireless.
Remember Plato's famous saying ... "normal is only a setting on the Dryer."
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Check this Log file to see if everything appears to be ok. Loading up Logos after reboot takes a bit more than 15 seconds.
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Bootjack said:
Check this Log file to see if everything appears to be ok
It's the same as the previous log file!
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Bootjack said:
Check this Log file to see if everything appears to be ok. Loading up Logos after reboot takes a bit more than 15 seconds.
According to the log just under 12 seconds
2016-08-10 10:51:29.0686 1 Info OurApp Showing main window at 11.851 seconds.
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Super which means I've got to get a new watch. Can you tell me which line you are looking at in that zip file that shows the time taking to boot up Logos.
Also, next time I see what seems to be taking an extra long time to boot Logos up, permit me to post it here again and when indeed it does take 20 or more seconds, then you can get a better idea of what's going on. But if you can show me the line which shows bootup time, I'll know whether to post it or not. Thank you so much for following this thread.
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Bootjack said:
Super which means I've got to get a new watch. Can you tell me which line you are looking at in that zip file that shows the time taking to boot up Logos.
If you search for the timestamp shown in the Logos.log file you should see it
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I wouldn't know what to do with myself if Logos started in 12 seconds on my PC.
I have SSD, dual core i5, 8 GB RAM, Windows 7, Webroot AV...I have tried all suggestions. Every other app is fast - even Photoshop and Illustrator. Logos has never been fast. Typical boot time for Logos is 55 seconds to 1:30...
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Bill Cook said:
Typical boot time for Logos is 55 seconds to 1:30...
If you want us to try and work out why please start a new thread and post logs after a startup
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Logos time stamp? Can you please explain that a bit further. Bill, what I'm looking at is the inconsistencies. Most times, I've got Logos up in about ten seconds taking another couple to load the page. Others I've counted with my Second Hand (Bulova Precision) and I've seen it go near 25 seconds. Booting up the computer (rebooting) is just a blur almost and Windows 10 is up.
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Bootjack said:
Logos time stamp? Can you please explain that a bit further.
In my post above I show aj extract from your log - the time stamp is at the front.
OurApp Showing main window at 11.851 seconds
You need to search for a string like that including "showing main window"
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Thank you Graham!
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I'll try to do that when I get home.
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Well, when I do the diagnostic boot, it takes 27 seconds... Still on the slow side. I guess my layouts are the big slowdown...
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Bill Cook said:
Well, when I do the diagnostic boot, it takes 27 seconds... Still on the slow side. I guess my layouts are the big slowdown...
Bill, loading layouts at startup will increase the time for the software to load.
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Yep, I figured that. I just didn't think the slowdown would be so drastic.
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Bill Cook said:
Yep, I figured that. I just didn't think the slowdown would be so drastic.
Are there run guides? Searches?
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Yes, most likely. And, I think I know where you are going with this. They have to run when it starts up if in the layout I start up in.Not at my Logos PC right now, so no access.
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[Y] [:)]Bill Cook said:I think I know where you are going with this.
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I'm going to post a logos log file and mention that Logos is going about five seconds longer to load than normal. Other than wasting time for some I suppose, is there a reason it is slower at times? Also, it seems very much slower in opening even Dictionaries etc.
I should add, this report differs from the second hand on my watch. Not sure why, but try nearly a 10 second difference.
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Ok everyone, I think we can all stand down on this for the meantime. I just realized Power4Gear had somehow got reset to Power Saving from Power4Gear High Performance. Now that I have set it back to High Performance, all is proceeding as though normal except for myself. I'm so sorry for having posted my recent note.
Next time I post, I'll try to have a legitimate complaint. Again, so sorry.
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Please check this bootup time for Logos. This is after restarting the computer. Let me know if everything looks normal in this log file. You'll be able see what I initially was asking. It seems 23 seconds is a bit long to boot up Logos but give me a professional reply. Thanks.
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Bootjack said:
Let me know if everything looks normal in this log file
There are a couple of sequences with some "pauses"
There is a five second delay in thread 7 - WebServiceClient signing in
2016-09-04 15:03:01.2481 7 Info WebServiceClient (Timed) Signing in
2016-09-04 15:03:01.5493 6 Info SearchFieldManager (Timed) Loading search field aliases
2016-09-04 15:03:01.5573 6 Info SearchFieldManager (7ms) Loading search field aliases
2016-09-04 15:03:01.6014 6 Info GrammarDrivenUtility (Timed) Loading grammar-driven info for 'JosephusLoebDataType'.
2016-09-04 15:03:01.6139 6 Info GrammarDrivenUtility (12ms) Loading grammar-driven info for 'JosephusLoebDataType'.
2016-09-04 15:03:01.6224 6 Info GrammarDrivenUtility (Timed) Loading grammar-driven info for 'JosephusWhistonDataType'.
2016-09-04 15:03:01.6234 6 Info GrammarDrivenUtility (1ms) Loading grammar-driven info for 'JosephusWhistonDataType'.
2016-09-04 15:03:01.6248 6 Info GrammarDrivenUtility (Timed) Loading grammar-driven info for 'ApostolicFathersDataType'.
2016-09-04 15:03:01.6258 6 Info GrammarDrivenUtility (1ms) Loading grammar-driven info for 'ApostolicFathersDataType'.
2016-09-04 15:03:01.6398 6 Info OurApp (541ms) Loading common data types in the background.
2016-09-04 15:03:06.0284 7 Info WebServiceClient (4779ms) Signing in
2016-09-04 15:03:06.0550 1 Info LocalFileDatabase Found existing database at F:\Logos\Data\12o2kucd.14j\Errors\Application\ErrorReportManager.dband this is followed by another five second delay
2016-09-04 15:03:06.1073 6 Info WebServiceClient (Timed) Calling GetLicensesData.
2016-09-04 15:03:11.2082 7 Info WebServiceClient (5101ms) Calling GetLicensesData.On my system these take about 1.5 and 2.5 seconds.
and "SyncManager" is taking a long time to sync clients
2016-09-04 15:03:11.6344 20 Info SyncManager Sync manager thread started.
2016-09-04 15:03:11.6354 20 Info SyncManager Requesting sync on all sync clients------
016-09-04 15:03:16.8385 20 Info SyncManager Finished requesting sync on all sync clients. Summary of elapsed times:
2016-09-04 15:03:16.8385 20 Info SyncManager Requesting sync on all sync clients
2016-09-04 15:03:21.2085 20 Info SyncClient Downloading items for LayoutsSyncItem
2016-09-04 15:03:22.3193 20 Info SyncClient Unchanged last known milestones: {"itemMilestone":"1016152650"}
2016-09-04 15:03:22.3424 20 Info SyncManager Finished requesting sync on all sync clients. Summary of elapsed times:So it looks, to me, as though there are some delays incurred in requesting various services from Faithlife servers.
What is the quality of your network connection? Are you able to check if you are getting any errors on it?
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I'm finding after the Logos signature comes up, there is once in a while, roughly 20 or so seconds before Logos actually opens up on the screen. Most times, it's in the 10 second range. Then of course, one watches as the little circle rotates before everything comes up.
From what I'm gathering, you seem to be saying it's a pause before this stuff is loaded up on my page (requesting various services from Faithlife servers). Am I correct?
Got to edit this: I'm not quite sure as to what you mean by the "quality of my internet connection" ... if it's speed, I've got a fast and furious 1.5 to a sometimes 1.9 mbps. If it's something else you're referring to, let me know.
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Bootjack said:
From what I'm gathering, you seem to be saying it's a pause before this stuff is loaded up on my page (requesting various services from Faithlife servers). Am I correct?
Effectively that is what I am seeing in the logs, yes
Bootjack said:Got to edit this: I'm not quite sure as to what you mean by the "quality of my internet connection" ... if it's speed, I've got a fast and furious 1.5 to a sometimes 1.9 mbps. If it's something else you're referring to, let me know.
It's less to do with speed and more about "quality".
If a network message gets transmitted and corrupted in some way then it will be resent after an acknowledgement timer has expired - this could explain what is happening.
Typically, one would check this by looking at line counters for your modem (or Internet connection) and seeing if any errors are being shown.
But that is getting quite technical unless you understand how to diagnose network equipment.
And it may be nothing to do with the problem - hopefully someone else will have some suggestions.
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Just phoned in my Server and they did a check for errors. They said, unlike Reuben who was unstable as water, everything here was as stable as the world that shall not be moved. Well, actually they didn't use any Biblical references but I am.
I'm still wondering if or why the Internet has anything to do with the computer booting up Logos. Usually, Logos is up in around 10 - 11 seconds. Then it might take several or so seconds for the page to load. Maybe you or someone else can clarify.
I appreciate your coming in on this Graham and your efforts. Thank you so much.
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Bootjack said:
I'm still wondering if or why the Internet has anything to do with the computer booting up Logos.
The connection between your computer and Logos servers (which is over the Internet) is used to exchange messages and information during boot (and at other times).
If there are network-transit delays this may cause some slowdown in performance - if your desktop app needs a server response before it can continue.
As I say, from your logs, it looks as though this may be happening in this case.
But I'm afraid I can't add any more to this - hopefully someone else will be able to
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Do appreciate your efforts Graham. Thanks!
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