New Feature: Courses Tool

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  • Eli Evans (Logos)
    Eli Evans (Logos) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 1,402

    We just deployed a server fix to filter out Mobile Ed courses if you don't own the primary textbook resource. If you restart Logos, you should see that plans for courses you don't own have disappeared. (If for some reason you had already started a plan for a course you don't own, it will still be there in the "Started" section, and you can delete it to get rid of it.)

  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭

    We just deployed a server fix to filter out Mobile Ed courses if you don't own the primary textbook resource. If you restart Logos, you should see that plans for courses you don't own have disappeared. (If for some reason you had already started a plan for a course you don't own, it will still be there in the "Started" section, and you can delete it to get rid of it.)

    That's better. Thanks. FWIW, when I re-started Logos I could still see the mobileEd courses, but when I clicked on one I didn't own, they extraneous ones disappeared.

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  • John Pierceson
    John Pierceson Member, Logos Employee Posts: 72

    would I see everything in the panel to the left of the course description and requirements?

    The left pane shows the entire table of contents (all of the sections) of the course. It does not exclude segments with resources that you do not own. 

    Would the session exclude the first 8/7 resources and generate a plan with only the books I have.

    As you progress through the course, some of the sessions will be empty because you don't own the content. 

  • Michael G Parry-Thomas
    Michael G Parry-Thomas Member Posts: 416 ✭✭

    It would be good if this new feature would work with the moody AM Bible Courseware

    is this possible to implement in the course tool

  • Dave Thawley
    Dave Thawley Member Posts: 621

    What I am seeing is that if I don't own the mobile ed courses that are displayed I can still read the text and the links to the additional resources still work - I just can't watch the video. The video is transcribed into the course though :-) 

  • John Pierceson
    John Pierceson Member, Logos Employee Posts: 72

    moody AM Bible Courseware

    Can you send me a link to the resource on Logos' site?

  • John Pierceson
    John Pierceson Member, Logos Employee Posts: 72

    I can still read the text

    Hi Dave, I think what you are seeing are the text of the Suggested Reading/See Also links. If you don't own the Mobile Ed course, I don't think you are seeing the transcription of the video lectures. Let me know if I'm wrong.

  • Milkman
    Milkman Member Posts: 4,715 ✭✭✭

    What a great idea!!

    Thanks for thinking about this. Makes studying so much easier.

    Does FL takes suggestions for designing new courses as well?

    mm.

  • John Pierceson
    John Pierceson Member, Logos Employee Posts: 72

    Does FL takes suggestions for designing new courses as well?

    We do take suggestions, though we make no promises. [:)]

  • Milkman
    Milkman Member Posts: 4,715 ✭✭✭

    lol.

    Just want to say "thanks" for all the work you guys/gals do. The product is amazing!!

    Does FL takes suggestions for designing new courses as well?

    We do take suggestions, though we make no promises. Smile

  • Michael G Parry-Thomas
    Michael G Parry-Thomas Member Posts: 416 ✭✭

    moody AM Bible Courseware

    Can you send me a link to the resource on Logos' site?

    It is an old resource but I'm still working through them
    I did spend a lot of money on them the new course tool would make a big difference to me if these courses were added to it

    I cannot find a link , there must be a way of finding information from your end, as you can see from the invoice data I spent a lot of money

    ate: July 14, 2007 05:45 PM

    Items to be Shipped:
    Foundation of Biblical Ministry (AM Bible Courseware) 1 $800.00 USD




    Subtotal: $800.00 USD
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  • John Pierceson
    John Pierceson Member, Logos Employee Posts: 72

    I cannot find a link , there must be a way of finding information from your end

    Hi Michael, 

    From what I can tell, we're not selling that resource any more. Because we have so many Learning Plans we want to make with resource we still sell, it is not likely we'll produce a learning plan for resources that we don't sell any longer. 

    We do hope to build the Courses tool in such a way that you can build your own Learning Plans in the future. I don't have a timeline on that and I can't make a firm promise, but if/when that happens, you should be able to build a course with the AM Bible Coursware. 

    jon

  • Philana R. Crouch
    Philana R. Crouch Member, Logos Employee Posts: 4,597

    lost my bookmarks, kind of.  I had several bookmarks that pointed to courses that I was in process. Now they don't open.  if I browse to them, it has lost "tracking" what I have completed. when I open a course in Courses that I have completed, it does not show that, and makes me start again.  If I open a completed course from the library, it does go to the "last" location (end/final exam), but has no tracking of the sections being completed.

    Brent,

    We added the ability to import your reading progress in 7.0 SR-1.

  • Noel Bomar
    Noel Bomar Member Posts: 39

    According to the 7.0 SR-1 Release Notes

    Courses Tool

    • Added the ability to import previously read course content from older Courses Tool. On Courses Homepage click on button with downward pointing arrow, choose “Import Reading Progress”.

    I cannot find this so called "button with downward pointing arrow" so I cannot choose "Import Reading Progress".

    What's the deal here???

    • MJ. Smith
      MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
      Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,950

      According to the 7.0 SR-1 Release Notes

      Courses Tool

      • Added the ability to import previously read course content from older Courses Tool. On Courses Homepage click on button with downward pointing arrow, choose “Import Reading Progress”.

      I cannot find this so called "button with downward pointing arrow" so I cannot choose "Import Reading Progress".

      The button is on the top right of each course's card. Clicking it shows a popup menu with the "Import reading progress" command:

    • MJ. Smith
      MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

      Ah, apparently my testing had wiped out the progress as I still see no import option.

      Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

    • Brent Hoefling
      Brent Hoefling Member Posts: 595 ✭✭

      The button is on the top right of each course's card. Clicking it shows a popup menu with the "Import reading progress" command:

      I am confused.

      So I have to actually start a course and begin again, then quit it, then go to the started plans so that I can import? I was looking for an import button for all my courses., or maybe each of them at worst case, but not have to open the dozens of them and go through this.  Did anyone even test this process and think about anyone with more than 5 (a few) courses?

      I am going to have to step back for a while, don't want to say something I'll regret.  see you all later.

    • Mark Barnes
      Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭

      So I have to actually start a course and begin again, then quit it, then go to the started plans so that I can import? I was looking for an import button for all my courses., or maybe each of them at worst case, but not have to open the dozens of them and go through this.  Did anyone even test this process and think about anyone with more than 5 (a few) courses?

      Even if you have 20 courses, I don't expect this will take you more than 30 minutes. It's a lot quicker than manually completing every section...

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    • Matt Preucil
      Matt Preucil Member, Logos Employee Posts: 67

      Did anyone even test this process and think about anyone with more than 5 (a few) courses?

      Brent - I implemented and tested the feature. I was not the only one to test it, and not the only one to influence how it ended up, but I will speak on behalf of our intentions. First off, I agree with you that for a user that has gone through a significant number of courses using the Logos Now 6.x version of Courses, this feature does not completely solve the problem of "Let me see the courses I've completed in the Completed section", though it can help get you part of the way there.

      Let me take this opportunity (for anyone interested) to elaborate a little on what "Import reading progress" does, and how the feature can be leveraged, along with some of the key differences between the 6.x LN version of Courses, and the 7.0 version.

      A 6.x LN course, for the purpose of the Courses tool, was:

      1. The combined viewing of a text and associated video of a courseware resource.
      2. Granular viewing of "reading progress" data with some added functionality exposed in the Table of Contents of the Courses panel.

      A quick note on "reading progress": This is the data stored when a resource is displayed that allows us to say "You've read 30% of this resource" as shown in both the Library view, and the Resource Info view in a Resource panel. This data was (and is) saved when viewing text or media resources in the Courses tool or in a normal Resource panel.  This means that "Import reading progress" can be useful to all users, even if they haven't used the Courses tool before.

          

      A 7.0 course is a specially designed template that includes sections from a number of resources along with other tasks and quizzes.  In general, a Mobile Ed course in 7.0 will include supplementary readings, actions (like "Run this guide"), and screens to track exam completion. None of these elements existed in the 6.x Courses tool, and therefore completing a course in Logos 6 doesn't imply that all the material in the Logos 7 version of the course has been completed.

      Enter "Import reading progress". Say you've read some (or all) of a courseware resource, or watched the videos (on the Desktop platform) and maybe a few of the supplemental readings in a Course, and don't want to re-read what you've already read. Start the course, and click "Import reading progress" (yes, there is an extra step to go back to viewing "All plans" in order to click the button). Any reading or viewing that has been previously completed at least 90% will show up as a completed section of the course.  This can be useful to anyone beginning a new course.

      Now, for those who have already worked through Courseware resources / Mobile Ed courses, starting a course that you've already completed and importing progress will help surface alll the readings and tasks we would have liked to include in the 6.x version of Courses. This may be something you find useful.

      And, for those who have worked through many Courseware resources (Brent, I'm talking to you ;)), it might be a tedious process to find, start, import, then finish marking unfinished sections complete. I would suggest using the Library view of "Finished" resources grouped by type, as shown in my screenshot above to list the courses you've completed. Then, use the filter box in the Courses tool to quickly find the template for the Course. (As shown below). Finding, starting, and importing progress should go fairly quickly using this method. If the supplemental readings and tasks left unfinished are not relevant to you, then spending the additional effort to manually complete those sections in order to see the course as completed might still be a hassle, but it might be worth looking at what is there.

    • Brent Hoefling
      Brent Hoefling Member Posts: 595 ✭✭

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      And, for those who have worked through many Courseware resources (Brent, I'm talking to you ;)), it might be a tedious process to find, start, import, then finish marking unfinished sections complete. I would suggest using the Library view of "Finished" resources grouped by type, as shown in my screenshot above to list the courses you've completed. Then, use the filter box in the Courses tool to quickly find the template for the Course. (As shown below). Finding, starting, and importing progress should go fairly quickly using this method. If the supplemental readings and tasks left unfinished are not relevant to you, then spending the additional effort to manually complete those sections in order to see the course as completed might still be a hassle, but it might be worth looking at what is there.

      thanks for all the work.  I will take a deeper look at the procedures when I get some time.  I do appreciate that you have taken the time to address my concerns.  I have calmed down a bit now, and will heed your advice and instructions.

    • Noel Bomar
      Noel Bomar Member Posts: 39

      I would also like to have the ability to add my own titles to the Courses Tool such as "Studies in Faithful Living Patriarchs Collection".

      Titles like these are aimed more at a curriculum study as apposed to just a series of readings like some of the resources that the Courses Tool automatically populates.

    • SineNomine
      SineNomine Member Posts: 7,043

      Is there a link I can click on to see all courses, including the ones not available to me in the Courses tool?

      I could see courses related to resources I don't yet own influencing my purchasing decisions at some point.

      “The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara

    • James Taylor
      James Taylor Member Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭

      A 7.0 course is a specially designed template that includes sections from a number of resources along with other tasks and quizzes

      I was not able to open the quizes from the courses tool. Are these not able to be taken within the tool? I then noticed the locked icons on all of the others.

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    • Ralph Wood
      Ralph Wood Member Posts: 140 ✭✭

      I don't see where anyone responded to SineNomine's question.  Is there somewhere we can view a list of all courses and their requirements?

    • SineNomine
      SineNomine Member Posts: 7,043

      I don't see where anyone responded to SineNomine's question.

      Well, I did just give it, and it's a Saturday night. I'm sure someone at Faithlife will read it on Monday and someone(else?) will reply no later than Tuesday.

      Is there somewhere we can view a list of all courses and their requirements?

      I'm glad I'm not the only person who cares about this. [:)]

      “The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara

    • Damian McGrath
      Damian McGrath Member Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭

      Is there a link I can click on to see all courses, including the ones not available to me in the Courses tool?

      Is this what you are looking for: https://www.logos.com/mobile-ed/courses or in the store https://www.logos.com/products/search?Product+Type=Logos+Mobile+Education