New Feature: Sermon Editor

Jacob Cerone
Jacob Cerone Member, Logos Employee Posts: 293
edited November 20 in English Forum

What is it? A new “Sermon” document type that can be created and opened from the Documents menu.

This document defines a set of document-like artifacts that cluster around single speech presentation given during a church service. These artifacts are:

  • The text of the sermon, which for some scenarios will simply be the body of the speaker’s notes (or outline headings) meant to be read only by themselves, but for the primary scenario, will be a transcript of the words the preacher intends to speak, minus any internal private notes.

What is it for? The Sermon document interacts with the larger Faithlife ecosystem that already exists to support sermon presentation (Proclaim), provide public access to that sermon (Soundfaith), and informs a group of the sermon's existence (Faithlife Groups).

The Sermon document allows the author(s)to organize their thoughts into a document using a familiar word processing interface (not unlike Google documents). During the sermon, this document can either have been exported to Proclaim, PowerPoint, or to rich text for use in other word processing and desktop publishing software. After the sermon's delivery, the document is archived locally and can be searched by its content or metadata.

How does it work? The Sermon document is a standard Logos document type, so it works like any other Logos document, including sync. 

How do you use it?

The Sermon document operates much like a standard word processing application:

  • Add new paragraphs by hitting ENTER, type or paste text into them, and style those paragraphs with heading styles, block quote styles, and so on. 

 However, it has some special and unique features

  • Editing slides, handouts, and questions
  • Exporting directly to sermon-friendly tools 
  • Auto-detection of Bible references. Type ‘Gen 1:1’ in a normal paragraph, and a hyperlink to your preferred Bible will automatically be inserted.
  • Auto-insertion of Bible references as “cards.” Type ‘Gen 1:1’ on its own line and then hit ENTER, and the text of Genesis 1:1 will be retrieved from your preferred Bible and inserted as a new specially-styled paragraph in place of the reference you just typed.
  • Auto-extraction of Bible reference cards from typed or pasted text. Type a paragraph that has some Bible references in it. Then select across one or more of those references, and hit the “Insert reference cards from selection” button in the toolbar, and the text of each reference will be retrieved from your preferred Bible and inserted as a new card after the paragraph in question. 
  • Auto-inclusion of slides where you probably want them. When you make a new heading, a slide with that heading text is automatically inserted.
  • Manual inclusion of more slides if you want them. You can also select text from the manuscript and press the “Insert slide from selection” and a new slide will be created
  • “Smart art” templates. Double-click on any slide to open that slide in the Media tool (was Visual Copy) and edit your slide’s content or style. Hit the “Update sermon” button in the Media tool to post that change back to your sermon document.
  • “Clippings” from Logos resources. Pasting text from a Logos resource into a non-empty paragraph will just paste the text (along with an auto-citation, if your settings imply that). Pasting text from a Logos resource into an empty paragraph will add a Clipping-like card for that text to the Sermon document. (User interface for converting the clipping card to regular text is in the works, but probably won’t make it by 7.0 launch. Pro tip: If you want just a new paragraph with some Logos content, type a space first, then paste, then delete the space.)
  • Metadata, including topics covered, key passages, sermon summary/description, audience type, and so on. All searchable.

In a general sense, the ideal use case/scenario goes like this: 

  • Having researched using Logos Bible Software for a coming sermon, a pastor begins crafting the sermon with the Sermon Document
  • Ideally, the pastor will write out a full manuscript, inserting headings at various levels (1–5), which will constitute the sermon's outline
  • Creating a single manuscript with the Sermon Document automatically edits multiple documents all together at once:
    • The sermon manuscript
    • the sermon presentation consisting of a set of slides
    • a “handout” to be printed and included as a bulletin insert (if any) or in the Faithlife Groups bulletin (if set up)
    • a set of study or reflection “questions” meant to be printed and given out to small groups for further discussion, or to be posted online as a document for discussion group homework or personal reflection during the week.
  • All of these artifacts share a common structure, that is, the set of headings that defines the sermon’s outline that appears in the sermon manuscript also appears in the slide list, the handout, and the questions. Thus, some paragraphs within the main sermon document editor will belong to the manuscript, some to the handout, and some to the questions. Slides that align on the left margin belong to the slide presentation. This is a key distinctive of the Sermon Editor feature in L7. It’s also fairly unusual as document editing software goes, as it requires thinking about how to edit four things at once. Under each heading, there may be some sermon text, some passages to print in the handout, some slides to show, and some questions having to do with the same topics and ideas addressed by that section of the sermon. Having these all in the same place is a convenient way to fulfill all your sermon related needs.
  • Once the artifacts have been edited and previewed, they can be exported. This feature is intended to “work best” with Proclaim (and Soundfaith and Faithlife Groups), so it is easy to send the sermon to a Proclaim presentation with one click. The resulting slide presentation can be further edited. 
  • The sermon manuscript with its attendant metadata can be posted to Soundfaith with one click, and handouts and questions can be printed or exported to rich text for further manipulation in a word processing program of choice.
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Comments

  • Tim Hensler
    Tim Hensler Member Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭

    How do you identify the answer to a question while creating a sermon so it can be hidden or displayed on the handout?

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,637

    How do you identify the answer to a question while creating a sermon so it can be hidden or displayed on the handout?

    Select the answer text and then click "fill-in" from the popup menu

  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Member Posts: 671 ✭✭

    What is it? 

    I noticed that your screenshot is exposing another new document type that is not available in Logos 7. I am wondering if its possible that this was inadvertant?

  • John Kight
    John Kight Member Posts: 1,618

    Jonathan said:

    What is it? 

    I noticed that your screenshot is exposing another new document type that is not available in Logos 7. I am wondering if its possible that this was inadvertant?

    Morph Grid?

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  • Tim Hensler
    Tim Hensler Member Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭

    Thank you, Graham.  This is REALLY cool.  Using a series of "question" fields (each line on the example below), I was able to create a question with 4 multiple choice answers, with indication of which was correct as the "fill-in" answers that can be hidden on the Handout.

    WOW - the possibilities...

    Thank you Faithlife.

  • GregW
    GregW Member Posts: 848 ✭✭

    Thank you for this explanation Jacob. For me, this is a great addition to the product. One question - will the Sermon document be available on the mobile versions of the software? I usually take a paper Bible and iPad into the pulpit with me, and preach from the iPad, so it is only of real use if it is synced to the iPad and available to me to read on it. 

    At first glance, and a little bit of playing around, this appears to fill in a number of the gaps in my preaching workflow that are currently covered by running between apps and copying/pasting: I really like it. If it fills in the gap of allowing me to preach from my iPad as well, that would be fantastic. 


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  • Tim Hensler
    Tim Hensler Member Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭

    Hi Jonathan,

    Jonathan said:

    I noticed that your screenshot is exposing another new document type that is not available in Logos 7.

    This is a Logos Now function. All the lines marked with an asterisk at https://community.logos.com/forums/t/129206.aspx require Logos Now (including Sermon Editor).

  • Jacob Cerone
    Jacob Cerone Member, Logos Employee Posts: 293

    Jonathan said:I noticed that your screenshot is exposing another new document type that is not available in Logos 7.

    I apologize for the confusion. That document is a tool that we are currently developing and working on. It is not a part of Logos 7. I have removed that screenshot and updated accordingly.

  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Member Posts: 671 ✭✭

    Morph Grid?

    Yes, that's what I was referring to. I was trying to be subtle though in case they were intending to keep that under wraps for some reason.

    Hi Jonathan,

    Jonathan said:

    I noticed that your screenshot is exposing another new document type that is not available in Logos 7.

    This is a Logos Now function. All the lines marked with an asterisk at https://community.logos.com/forums/t/129206.aspx require Logos Now (including Sermon Editor).

    I'm a Logos Now subscriber, but don't have access to the Morph Grid document type.

  • Jacob Cerone
    Jacob Cerone Member, Logos Employee Posts: 293

    This is a Logos Now function. All the lines marked with an asterisk at https://community.logos.com/forums/t/129206.aspx require Logos Now (including Sermon Editor).

    The asterisk in that post represents features new to the Logos 7 release. 

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,637

     This is REALLY cool.  Using a series of "question" fields (each line on the example below), I was able to create a question with 4 multiple choice answers, with indication of which was correct as the "fill-in" answers that can be hidden on the Handout.

    Yes - it is very nice. And it extends very nicely when creating and exporting slides.

    I included the following line in a sermon document (all on one line at the moment as automatic generation of slides doesn't work across multiple lines at the moment so I can't quite reproduce your example)

    Then when I export the slides to Proclaim or PowerPoint three separate slides are generated automatically (you can see that there are three slides indicated in the sermon document). The screenshot below is from PowerPoint

    I think this is very nice[:)]

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,969

    GregW said:

    One question - will the Sermon document be available on the mobile versions of the software? I usually take a paper Bible and iPad into the pulpit with me, and preach from the iPad, so it is only of real use if it is synced to the iPad and available to me to read on it. 

    The sermon document is not yet available on mobile, but we know this is something a lot of people will want to see.

    In the meantime, if you have WiFi in your church, you could Export your sermon document to SoundFaith.com then load that on your iPad. (With the latest iPad, you can put Safari and Logos Bible side-by-side to have a Bible text up too.) 

    This workaround isn't perfect (not all the Bible links open in the Bible app, it doesn't have an optimised reading view, etc.) but those are issues we want to address (and we're interested in any other feedback you have about the experience on SoundFaith).

  • GregW
    GregW Member Posts: 848 ✭✭

    GregW said:

    One question - will the Sermon document be available on the mobile versions of the software? I usually take a paper Bible and iPad into the pulpit with me, and preach from the iPad, so it is only of real use if it is synced to the iPad and available to me to read on it. 

    The sermon document is not yet available on mobile, but we know this is something a lot of people will want to see.

    In the meantime, if you have WiFi in your church, you could Export your sermon document to SoundFaith.com then load that on your iPad. (With the latest iPad, you can put Safari and Logos Bible side-by-side to have a Bible text up too.) 

    This workaround isn't perfect (not all the Bible links open in the Bible app, it doesn't have an optimised reading view, etc.) but those are issues we want to address (and we're interested in any other feedback you have about the experience on SoundFaith).

    Thank you for the quick response Bradley - I can also print/export it to Word, which is what I'll probably do. We don't have reliable wifi at our church building, so I like to be certain I've got the full notes with me before I start. I'll probably continue to do that until syncing with the iPad is available. It still saves me the trouble of compiling sermon files as Personal books and putting the data table into it before importing it to Excel! Being a cautious sort of guy I will probably also continue to save my sermon files as Word documents anyway in the short term. 


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  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,637

    GregW said:

    Thank you for the quick response Bradley - I can also print/export it to Word, which is what I'll probably do

    And once you have it in a Word document you can import into a Logos Notes document and then use that in the Bible app on the iPad.

    This allows having Notes on one half of a split screen and a Bible open on another.

    Again - not perfect - but a good way of working for now.

  • Clint Cozier
    Clint Cozier Member Posts: 396 ✭✭

    Wow.....sermon editor is a great idea, but I've got an additional (important) step in my workflow. I've become a huge fan of mind mapping tools to structure sermons and lessons. For a while, I used markdown to outline using headings (as per the editor) in a text editor before writing but about a year ago started using mind mapping software to work through my initial structure. I'd love for the sermon editor to be able to import an OPML file from a mind mapping application into the editor.

  • Eli Evans (Logos)
    Eli Evans (Logos) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 1,404

    For a while, I used markdown to outline using headings (as per the editor) in a text editor before writing but about a year ago started using mind mapping software to work through my initial structure. I'd love for the sermon editor to be able to import an OPML file from a mind mapping application into the editor.

    We'll have someone evaluate OPML. Thanks for the suggestion!

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,415

    I'd love for the sermon editor to be able to import an OPML file from a mind mapping application into the editor.

    [Y]

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  • Abram K-J
    Abram K-J Member Posts: 380 ✭✭

    Great idea, Clint. The Sermon Editor is really tempting to incorporate into my workflow (especially on those Sundays when I use visuals), but I'd never leave mind mapping. :)

    Abram K-J: Pastor, Writer, Freelance Editor
    Blog: Words on the Word

  • Eleanor Emmott
    Eleanor Emmott Member Posts: 173 ✭✭

    This looks great!  

    Eventually it would be nice to have a quick way to view the outline of the sermon.

    I see that I can do that by adding every heading to the handout, but it would be nice to have a way to do that automatically or have an additional tab that is automatically populated with the outline based on the headings.

  • Tim Hensler
    Tim Hensler Member Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭

    If I want to move text from one line to another in the Sermon document I cut, paste and reformat the text in its new location.  Is there a way to drag and drop lines to reorder them (retaining their formating)?  If not, can that be added

  • Clint Cozier
    Clint Cozier Member Posts: 396 ✭✭

    Abram,

    I agree about the power of mind mapping. It has really helped tighten and focus my preaching. I do slides every Sunday, so the Sermon Editor is a tool that could potentially be a huge time saver. I'm excited about giving it a try this week.

  • Abram K-J
    Abram K-J Member Posts: 380 ✭✭

    I'm with you on that, Clint!

    I like the idea Eleanor had, too--there are some great Markdown apps that do this that you all could check out if you need a model (FoldingText for Mac, Editorial for iOS). Even Google now has in its Docs and auto-outline population feature in a sidebar. Would make a great addition to this tool

    Abram K-J: Pastor, Writer, Freelance Editor
    Blog: Words on the Word

  • Jackie Watts
    Jackie Watts Member Posts: 351 ✭✭

    Any way we could upload our own backgrounds? (We use a separate service called 'Graceway Media') This would add a lot of functionality for me.

  • Jacob Carpenter (Faithlife)
    Jacob Carpenter (Faithlife) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 335

    Is there a way to drag and drop lines to reorder them (retaining their formating)?

    Drag-and-drop editing for paragraphs is not currently supported.

     If not, can that be added

    We'll add it to the list of features we're considering for future releases. Thanks for the suggestion!

  • Josh Weiland
    Josh Weiland Member Posts: 20

    Wow.....sermon editor is a great idea, but I've got an additional (important) step in my workflow. I've become a huge fan of mind mapping tools to structure sermons and lessons. For a while, I used markdown to outline using headings (as per the editor) in a text editor before writing but about a year ago started using mind mapping software to work through my initial structure. I'd love for the sermon editor to be able to import an OPML file from a mind mapping application into the editor.

    Agreed!!

    It'd be icing on the cake if Logos would export sermon docs to markdown... 

  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Member Posts: 671 ✭✭

    Any way we could upload our own backgrounds? (We use a separate service called 'Graceway Media') This would add a lot of functionality for me.

    [Y]

  • Jeffrey S. Robison
    Jeffrey S. Robison Member Posts: 228 ✭✭

    I am liking what I see in the Sermon Editor. I would like to see the ability to add some color to the text in text view. I use colored text as markers and visual cues in my outlines and manuscripts.

  • 陶小占 Jimmy To
    陶小占 Jimmy To Member Posts: 81 ✭✭

    Is it possible to copy the sermon document as a template?

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,415

    Is it possible to copy the sermon document as a template?

    You may via https://documents.logos.com/ which has a duplicate function.

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  • Jeremy
    Jeremy Member Posts: 2

    I'm thrilled to see the Sermon Writer on Logos 7. It's a great step, and has some nice features. However, in creating great advanced features, it seems like the designers have forgotten some basic functionality (I'll humbly accept correction if I've misspoken).

    1. A large % of users (assumption) preach from mobile devices. Why would the capability to load sermons to the mobile app not be included? Editing in mobile is a feature that can come later, but we need a basic read-only feature in mobile right away.

    2. Keyboard function is critically lacking. I have to use arrows on my keyboard to go back to the beginning of a line opposed to keyboard shortcuts  (a small but frustrating and time consuming problem). I'm also unable to add accent marks to words. I preach in French, and accent marks can change whether I'm preaching about a sinner, a fisherman, or a peach--it's a big deal. Logos has standard keyboard shortcuts enabled across the platform, except for Sermons.

    3. I was already using copy and paste between Logos and MS Word to add content to my sermons. I was a bit surprised I still have to do this with Sermons. If I didn't know you could highlight and "Send to Notes" in Logos, I wouldn't even consider this. But the fact that it's so easy to add something to a note makes me wonder why I still have to copy and paste to Sermons. 

    4. Adding other translations besides preferred from within the Sermons tab? Copy and paste?

    Again, I couldn't be more thrilled with the introduction of Sermon Writer. I love the creativity of Logos in going beyond the basics to make a product work hard for the end user (sort of). I'm just afraid that this point that in adding great advanced features, they have forgotten some of the basics.  I'm looking forward to updates sooner rather than later to address some of the basic functions that are missing.

    Anyone else, thoughts?