search for biblical phrases including "the"

In Libronix, when you did a search for a phrase in the Bible, the results returned would include all those places where that phrase occurred, regardless of whether the artcle "the" was in the middle of the phrase or not. This is no longer the case in Logos 4. Example, do a search on "in visions of God". In Libronix, all references where "in the visions of God" appeared also showed up in the results. I would prefer the Libronix more inclusive way of reporting.

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Jack Caviness

In Libronix, when you did a search for a phrase in the Bible, the results returned would include all those places where that phrase occurred, regardless of whether the artcle "the" was in the middle of the phrase or not. This is no longer the case in Logos 4. Example, do a search on "in visions of God". In Libronix, all references where "in the visions of God" appeared also showed up in the results. I would prefer the Libronix more inclusive way of reporting.

A phrase search should find exact matches, which is what L4 is doing. If you want the results you mentioned, construct an OR search. "in visions of God" OR "in the visions of God". I just tried it, and it works (141 hits).

in AND "visions of God" also works, but with many spurious results (78,999 hits)

J.R. Miller

In Libronix, when you did a search for a phrase in the Bible, the results returned would include all those places where that phrase occurred, regardless of whether the artcle "the" was in the middle of the phrase or not. This is no longer the case in Logos 4.

If this is the case, and I don't have L3 installed to confirm it, then L4 fixed a problem with the L3 search.

Jack's solution is the best approach if that is what you want to find.

Gary O'Neal

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/85060#Comment_85060

In Libronix, when you did a search for a phrase in the Bible, the results returned would include all those places where that phrase occurred, regardless of whether the artcle "the" was in the middle of the phrase or not. This is no longer the case in Logos 4.
If this is the case, and I don't have L3 installed to confirm it, then L4 fixed a problem with the L3 search.

I never used L3, but I do have it installed. I can confirm that it does search as Ken said.

Mark Smith

Another way to do this. The trouble is you have to know to look for 'the' in Logos 4. You didn't even have to know it might be there in Logos 3.

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/85127#Comment_85127

I never used L3, but I do have it installed. I can confirm that it does search as Ken said.

Good, well then I am glad it is fixed in L4. When I search for a phrase, I want to search for that phrase, not a bunch of hits with words I did not search for. Thanks Logos for fixing the error in L3.

Gary O'Neal

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/85166#Comment_85166

When I search for a phrase, I want to search for that phrase, not a bunch of hits with words I did not search for.

That's what I was thinking. I wonder how this came about. Did they just ignore articles? Oh well, since L4 doesn't do this we don't have to worry.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/85178#Comment_85178

That's what I was thinking. I wonder how this came about. Did they just ignore articles? Oh well, since L4 doesn't do this we don't have to worry.

It's just that word spacing was algorithmic in L3. Separation between text words was measured in characters, but that could include punctuation, tabs and footnote markers. So how far apart are adjacent words? 1 - 3 chars? 3 - 5 chars? So when you said "1 word" it could vary from 1 to 5 chars. Now let's say we want to search for the phrase "Lord God" (Lord and God separated by one word):-

1. "Lord, aGod" has a separation of 3 chars (incl. the footnote a)

2. "Lord the God" has a separation of 5 char

3. "Lord is God" has a separation of 4 char

Because our L3 "word" can be 1 to 5 chars, it's easy to see that all three items of text will be included in the results!

L4 knows that 1. has a separation of 1 word and that 2. & 3. have a separation of 2 words. Therefore 2. & 3. are not included in L4 results. The definition of "word" has changed because L4 sees each actual word in relation to the others.

NetworkGeek

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/85419#Comment_85419

Very informative explanation, thanks Dave!

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/85144#Comment_85144

Another way to do this.

That would fix the spurious results in my second example, and is in some ways better than my first example.

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/85419#Comment_85419

Thanks Dave for that bit of education... very nice [Y]